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NEWS: Popping a party pill is not so abnormal

VelocideX said:
^^ I still don't see how people can say that drug use is immoral whilst simultaneously accepting alcohol as "a part of australian society". The two concepts are irreconcileable.
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Im 100 % with you on this one velocideX. Especially when it is the most abused drug out of them all. Hell just look what happened at the foreshore in perth on Australia day , so many fights mainly due to the consumption of alcohol, hell if we were all smoking pot we would of just been sitting around to busy eating cake to start shit.
 
I'd say the reason society frowns upon drug use and looks towards alcohol use is that alcohol is readily and legally available pretty much anywhere you look. The government also makes lots of profit from alcohol, whereas with drugs - there are no proceeds going towards anyone but the people who make or sell them.


just my 2cents
 
^^ But opium and cocaine were originally legal. Opium was made illegal because it was seen as conferring an advantage on the Chinese.

The fact that a modern day government can labour under this illusion is very odd... Attacking drugs on health or socioeconomic grounds is fine, but insisting that drug use is intrinsically immoral is an open contradiction.
 
Im waiting for they day the government legalizes cannabis and sells spliffs in packs of 30 for tobacco prices ;)
 
Unfortunately if cannabis is legalised i think it would not be nearly as potent as some of the stuff we get. I've known people who have gotten the prescription mull or hostpital grade stuff and said it wasn't that great.
 
Yeah i guess that means it's 3 spliffs instead of one ?

Do u know what strain medicinal cannabis is and how it is cultivated ?

Or are they giving them delta 9 pills ?
 
Excluding Alcohol, the whole issue of morality seems somewhat reflective of what Shulgin once said about the pharmaceutical industry - or was it drugs in general?

Sasha remarked on how the concept of medicine/pharmacology was to correct an imbalance and therefore return a person to "normal". The idea of taking a person "above normal" was never entered into.

With the advent of Viagra, I think the concept of taking a drug purely for pleasure has now been - in large - accepted by society i.e. when taken solely as enhancement and not for erectile dysfunction. Anyway how does one truely define that? ;)

Add the alcohol argument VeloxideX mentioned and any notion that sensible recreational drug use is immoral, stands out as nothing more than an outlandish hypocrisy IMO.

Oh... for the day when the line between noo-tropic and psychoactive is blurred by the meaning of wellbeing =D
 
I think that soon we will find a shift in the way the authorities and also our culture views the use of 'party supplies'.

The fact now that information is so readily available to all within the last 10 years (eg. internet, etc) has made the users of party drugs more informed about the decision they are making, which in turn, leads to people not getting themselves into holes they can't get out of.

As said in the article, it's not the 'losers of society' that are mainly using drugs now, it is the member of middle-society that has a good job, is on good money, and well educated. My circle of friends and I for instance regularly head out off our chops, and we are all on decent money, between $40,000 and $120,000 per year. There's a regional sales trainer, a telecommunications co-ordinator, a commercial pilot, and an architect , just to name a few. Heck, I even score off a lawyer.

I think that people in higher places are now realising that it is no longer a strong probability that drug use is going to destroy your life given that people are more educated regarding party drugs thanks to sites such as this one. (Cheers guys)

I attended the Party Drugs Initiative interview in QLD.

(http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=135736&r=27)

The type of questions asked led me to believe that the authorities are seriously trying to gather some up-to-date information for them to re-assess the way they deal with drugs in society.

This is a good thing for all of us, and if the Party Drug Initiative is still available to be done in your state I urge you to do so. There is a section of the interview where your direct comments (word for word) is sent directly to the CMC.

In this section of the interview I put the point across of crime in and around clubs of known party drug use, vs crime in and around drinking venues. We all have seen many a fight/brawl in or outside a pub, but how many major incidents have you seen at a well organised rave, or dance club. It's a rare occurence.

Maybe this will show that police resources may be better used policing all the drunk people rather than trying to bust the poor guy with one pill that is friendly and full of E-induced politeness?

And maybe it will also show that a drug such as as ecstasy has a lower negative social impact than the widely accepted and taxed alcohol. Heck, I'd go to say that some people truly benefit socially from a drug such as ecstasy, provided they are fully informed about what they are doing.

The nations views are changing, and as the population ages, they will change even more. If everyone including the users stay smart about it all, it could maybe even end up being a good thing.
 
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The type of questions asked led me to believe that the authorities are seriously trying to gather some up-to-date information for them to re-assess the way they deal with drugs in society.
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just adding to this , drugs are so common within the age groups of around 12 - 40 , so as soon as the generations before them die off, dont mean to be rude or anything , and not saying if your above this age you cant or dont take drugs, it's just drugs are so accepted within the 12 - 40 age groups and their in so much use. Once we grow up i think there will be way more tolerance to drug use, atleast im sure these generations will peform official and proper testing to actually find out the dangers of each drug.

Maybe just a rant , pretty stoned :D
ahah Take care
joe
 
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Heck, I even score off a lawyer.
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bill joe; I felt the same way during my teen years of the 70's. The thing is, nothing positive really happened until around 5-8 years ago. Much ground has since been made, so unlike my long wait, I feel optimistic that you'll see some form of recognition established. Then it becomes a Health and Safety priority.

nicky j; you've got more of a chance than I have of being around when they come up with the "live forever, age reversing pill"
So don't worry about losing youth, it's the youth-ful-ness you need to hold onto ;)
 
Here's another related article posted on inthemix.com.au:

Australian drug users 'as normal as normal can be’
News courtesy of Skrufff.com


A new study of 380 Melbourne clubbers published this week by the Australian Drug Foundation (ADF) has revealed that typical recreational drug users are upstanding, otherwise law-abiding, members of society, few of whom experience any adverse effects from their drug use.

"They're just average, normal kids who happen to use party drugs", ADF chief Dr Cameron Duff told the Sydney Morning Herald. "If you take away the drug use, you're talking about utterly typical young people. They're as normal as normal can be."

The Herald described the Foundation’s findings as ‘a clear indication of the normalisation of recreational drugs’ reflecting the picture in the UK where over two years ago The Face magazine reached the same conclusion about cocaine.

"You’re as likely to find the new classless drug of the masses in halls of residence in Manchester as in the toilets of a members-only bar in London, anywhere with a clean, flat surface," the now defunct magazine declared.

Also in the UK that year, leading British neuroscientist Professor Colin Blakemore, a professor of physiology at Oxford University, discussed the implications of widespread drug use, and called for full legalisation of all drugs to help reduce harm.

"The medical dangers of most illegal drugs have been exaggerated to some extent and the strategies of the past have tended to try to scare people out of drugs," Professor Blakemore told the Telegraph.

"The more drug use is growing, the more suspicious young people have become of these scare stories. I'm not saying there are any benefits of taking drugs, but the vast majority of people who dabble with illegal drugs come through the experience without being substantially damaged. They go on to complete their education and keep down jobs," he pointed out.
 
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