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NEWS - Drug tests coming to NSW roads

Mr-E-man

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Drug-taking drivers may face roadside saliva test
By Joshua Dowling, Motoring Editor
April 15, 2004

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/14/1081838794954.html

NSW motorists could soon be pulled over and tested for drugs by being told to submit a saliva sample in the style of random breath testing.

The Roads and Traffic Authority and NSW Police will monitor roadside trials of drug test swabs which will be carried out in Victoria. If successful, a drug test trial could begin in NSW by the end of the year.

But civil libertarians are concerned that the tests could be an invasion of privacy and an unnecessary inconvenience.

A spokesman for the NSW Police Minister, John Watkins, said last night: "We're watching the development of the legislation closely in Victoria and we will evaluate their trial as soon as possible."

Across the state each year about 1000 motorists are arrested for driving under the influence of drugs after taking a blood test, compared with about 24,000 arrested for drink-driving each year.

But highway patrol officers say they would catch many more drivers under the influence of drugs if the testing procedure was simpler.

Methods being considered include a ice-block-style stick or a paper swab which drivers would suck or chew. There are also aerosols and swabs which can detect traces of drugs through skin pores on a person's arm. In each case, the material used changes colour when traces of amphetamines or cannabis are found.

"At the moment [testing for drugs] is a complex, time-consuming procedure and you have to first determine that a driver behaving erratically is not affected by alcohol, then you can submit them to a blood test," the Commander of Traffic Services, Superintendent John Hartley, said.

Highway patrol officers say the introduction of random drug testing is overdue. "A lot of younger people drink water when they go out to party but take a mouthful of drugs," one officer said. "They're just as dangerous [as drunk drivers] . . . but they're getting away with it."

The Victorian trial will begin in July and last for a year.

A spokesman for Victoria Police said the department has put the supply of its swabs out to tender. NSW Police and the RTA yesterday refused to say when the swabs were expected to be tested on NSW motorists but the Herald understands a trial is imminent.

The president of the Council for Civil Liberties, Cameron Murphy, said: "We believe the devices dubious in terms of accuracy and their use becomes problematic for people who may be on legitimate medication."

In Victoria, the draft legislation stipulates that the swabs may only be used to test for drugs and must not be retained for DNA testing.

However, an editorial in the autumn edition of the Victorian Privacy Commissioner's newsletter expressed some concerns: "Giving a saliva sample is inherently more invasive of bodily privacy than blowing into a tube."

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This could begin by christmas !!!!!!!

I am very concerned about what effect this will have on people who have had some pot/other drugs the day before and are on their way to work the next day totaly straight but with traces still in their system.


Im scared

Mr Man
 
I am very concerned about what effect this will have on people who have had some pot/other drugs the day before and are on their way to work the next day totaly straight but with traces still in their system.


weed can stay in the system for a couple of days cant it? what if even a week down the track after a night of chronic bong smoking someone is pulled over and gets charged for driving under the influence when they are far from?
 
^^^^ That is the exact issue most people are worried about.

A lot of younger people drink water when they go out to party but take a mouthful of drugs
*Imagines kids running around a club with fistfulls of pills in their mouth chomping them wildly spilling crumbs everywhere and pouring water all over themsleves to wash it down* =D
 
I had this on the clipboard and was about to post it... Lucky I checked first :)

It was only a matter of time before this came up in NSW. I too am particularly concerned about drugs being detected long after their effects cease. Hopefully it'll be addressed in coming months.

For anyone who is interested, there's been extensive discussion in this thread - NEWS: The Age 15 Sep 03: Random driver drug tests on the way - about the issue in Victoria.

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lol,i love the way psychadelic_paisly describes young people at a party. I hate to say it, but I don't see why NSW would reject this, if Victoria is bringing it on strong, then i imagine the majority of other states will bring it into force, it's just a matter of time, it can all be blamed on filthy bracks! To an extent i do agree with it though, having friends who drive around completely dialled and all buzzed up of louie, but on the flipside, i do enjoy a few pipes/reefers every now and then and can guarantee i am fine to drive the next day even though traces may be evident? >>> we're all doomed i say!
 
oh, and the civil libertarians opposing this, WTF? i thought they love these sorts of freedom reducing ideas.
 
iirc the saliva swab tests for marijuana that the police have detect use for up to 18hours prior... sucks.

what i wanna know is what happens when you test positive for marijuana. do the police assume your high automatically and take your keyz ? do they escort you back to the police station for a blood test ? do they smile, send you on your way, and a fine appears in the letterbox 2 weeks later ?

/me imagines a copper pulling out a chart titled 'HOW HIGH - EYE REDNESS CHART'

surely theres no way to implement the technology to test levels of thc widely and cheaply.

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groova said:
oh, and the civil libertarians opposing this, WTF? i thought they love these sorts of freedom reducing ideas.

Uh, you better look up your definition of civil libertarians.

It is a disturbing thing in principle but since I don't drive, I'm not particularly worried.
 
Get fucked! I don't think I would appreciate an arrogant cop sticking a swab into my mouth. They treat tax paying citizens like animals and I fear it's just going to get worst with time.
 
If it's anything like a DNA swab, then it needs to be quite rough in order to remove a layer or 2 of cells. Not too painful but certainly rather intrusive.
 
It wouldn't be a DNA swab, it would be a saliva test... they're out to analyse your saliva, nto the cells in your mouth.

In any event, I have submitted a letter to the SMH for publication concerning these developments; I'll post it here when I get home
 
In each case, the material used changes colour when traces of amphetamines or cannabis are found.
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Only cannabis and amphetamines? What about cocaine, herion, ghb, mdma (though, would that fall under amphetamines?), etc?
 
I've heard that there is quite a large group of truckies placing heaps of money into research for ways of going undetected.

Obviously full on drug testing would have huge implications for the trucking industry, especially in the larger (geograhically wise) states.

I hope they are sucessful. I don't want to go back to waiting in taxi rank lines.
 
Please keep us posted VelocideX :)

Jimity - I'll stand to correction here because I don't know anything about the testers they use, but I'm 99.9% sure MDMA would test up positive as an amphetamine. GHB, cocaine and heroin it appears wont trigger the testers.
 
I wonder what the penalty for refusing such a roadside test would be. Its my understanding that refusal to undertake a random breath test results in an automatic charge of driving under the influence with a high range BAC. If lawmakers were to adopt a similar stance with these supposed drug tests it would really make it interesting. :(
 
Just doing some thinking... again... and it is possible to pick up traces THC for up to about 24 days, yes?... but that would be through a blood test... now this is where it gets a bit technical. Might need the mighty wisdom of P_D on this one....
But THC is stored in your fat cells, which i'm guessing slowly releases the THC into the blood stream over this ~24 day period.
Now, if they're testing your saliva, are the chemicals present in your saliva directly related to blood flow, or would substances ingested RECENTLY only show up?....

argh, more questions i'm sure the government hasn't even considered...
 
I have just received word that my letter has been short-listed for publication in tomorrow's Sydney Morning Herald. The letter is:

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Your article about the potential difficulties of road-side drug testing (“Roadside drug test trap for legal users”, SMH 19/04/04) quite rightly highlights the problem of determining whether the drug actually influences a driver’s performance in a negative fashion.

It is well known, for instance, that amphetamines are detectable for up to 4 or 5 days after use. Just because residual, low-levels of a substance exist in a person's blood does not mean that they are presently affected by it -- they are no longer "high". The case is even larger for cannabis, detectable for some weeks after use.

Is it reasonable to convict someone _ potentially ruining their job and life _ of driving “under the influence” when they are in fact not?
 
I don't think they will go all the way with this thing. It's just way too inaccurate and won't be able to give a good indiciation of when the drugs were taken. Especially concerning cannabis... I mean what if you live with a stoner it doesn't mean you actually smoke. Or what if you smoked heavily the night before and it's all over you still?
 
A good point was just brought up on NBN News. What about people on medication that contains the drugs this tester picks up? People on Ritilin, Dexies, many weight loss drugs, cold and flu tablets, the list goes on. It will clog the system with people being done for driving under the influence when they were just taking their meds.
 
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