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hey, i've got a question similar but i didn't think it deserved it's own thread but it's still a noob producing question.

re: sampling. loads of hip hop basslines are sampled, but i can't find in the original where it is just the bass line if you get me? it's always the bass with the rest of the band (not sampled same drum beat either), so how did they get the bass on it's own? it seems like a low pass filter wouldn't really cut it? for example, eric b and rakim, paid in full has the bass line from dennis edwards, don't look any further, but how did they isolate it? or did they just play it and record it? another example if you dont understand me yet, biggie, hypnotize use herp albert -rise but it only ever really appears with the rest of the band? i don't get it.
 
^ maybe you should try and isolate the single bass notes and load them into a sampler. and then try and build the groove from that.

with ableton live for example, the instrument "Sampler" can load multiple samples and you can even design them to individual notes on the keyboard. like Sample A > C1; Sample B > C#1; etc.
 
yeah i assumed you could do that, but it would still be mixed with the kick, snare, whatever else is happening on that specific note surely?

i'm not really looking to do it myself so much, just curious as to how they did it, because it seems a bit much to think they split it up, which would a) loose the groove of it totally and b) be really fucking difficult on the equipment of 20 years ago.
 
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hey, i've got a question similar but i didn't think it deserved it's own thread but it's still a noob producing question.

re: sampling. loads of hip hop basslines are sampled, but i can't find in the original where it is just the bass line if you get me? it's always the bass with the rest of the band (not sampled same drum beat either), so how did they get the bass on it's own? it seems like a low pass filter wouldn't really cut it? for example, eric b and rakim, paid in full has the bass line from dennis edwards, don't look any further, but how did they isolate it? or did they just play it and record it? another example if you dont understand me yet, biggie, hypnotize use herp albert -rise but it only ever really appears with the rest of the band? i don't get it.
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Are you listening to entire songs and are you listening to different edits, mixes and recordings? There are 26 versions of that dennis Edwards single on discogs, chances are there are more out there that aren’t listed.

http://www.discogs.com/Dennis-Edwards-Dont-Look-Any-Further/master/112831

This version in particular might have only the bass at some point as these are the extended mixes.

http://www.discogs.com/Dennis-Edwards-Dont-Look-Any-Further-Extended-Versions/release/734590

People who made hiphop beats before DAW’s were jazz/soul/funk record diggers, they spent hours in basements trying to find every version of a track they liked. If you want to find samples like they did you have a lot of research and work ahead of you.

Familiarize yourself with the drummers and bassists that played the samples you like also, you can usually find similar riffs and fills/beats on different records if you can't find a good part to record in a particular song.
 
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I would imagine most hip hop producers have a certain amount of money at their disposal. You could just hire a professional bassist, or even just a friend and be like "this song, can you learn and play this?" Record it and sample it. In a couple of hours you've got your bass line. It'd be the easiest method instead of trying different EQing techniques to try and get the bassline. I bet there's a studio box that'd do it for ~1000 bucks. Most hardware EQs are impressive or there's gear or software to do exactly that.

Also Eric B & Rakim - Paid In Full its not the same bass as that other recording. You can tell. So they didn't sample it. Tho they definitely heard the recording.
 
i'm not talking about me! i'm talking history! how did they do it! i don't want to do it (i do drumnbass, old skool style so still quite a crossover with hip hop) i just love hip hop.

those old producers didn't have a lot of money, well biggie did by the time his second album came out i imagine. you think eric b and rakim didn't pull it? to me, the hypnotize/rise sounds even more tenuous to be a direct sample but around that time there was a big legal crush on unauthorised samples and the writer of rise talks about authorising it. which doesn't seem like it would happen if they just had a session musician play it.

edit: and treezy that it a really sick chart, thanks. i knew it was pretty much impossible to isolate vocals from my attempts at ripping from hip hop tracks (like early 90's jungle) but i guess they got the acappella from somewhere.
 
SmokeyMadPot951 said:
My questions are...

How long did it take for you to use and understand your program?

How did you learn?

Any tips?
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its about 4 years and I still didnt learned everything.... I say you will need,one year to become able to make something,and five years to be able to make good shit and about ten years to make masterpiece

I learned alone from internet..

any tips? 90% of tutorials I found are very crap by total noobs,good producers rarely find time between studio,life and playing as dj to make tutorial,and when they do it its usualy made in way to not reveal their deeper knowledge,this deeper knowledge most producers wont tell their biggest discoveries and secrets to anybody,definately not to everyone trough tutorial vid

my last tip is.... it will take years for you to become good producer,dont try to release crap as soon as possible,the quality control in those times is horrible,it will be very frustrating and some problems will be killing you for years till you figure them out,nobody will really help you,everything you will need to learn alone.... it will be hard bro,I am telling you
 
What do people think about doing drugs while producing?

Any stimulant is aces. Increases focus. Weed and drugs that make things sounds awesome MDMA, probably arent great. but to each his own. I mean its worked tons for jungle, reggae, hiphop ... good portion of techno is coke fueled (Sven Vath I'm looking at you). House owes a lot to disco, and thus coke. I'm just saying as a knee jerk reaction cause if yer high and making music you'd be like "this is fucking aces..." when in reality it probably sounds like ass.
 
^stimulants are alright, so are opiates or benzos, dissociatives alter my perception too much and weed makes me lazy. alcohol makes me stupid so doesn't help. never tried on acid shrooms or similar drugs or mdma. usually i produce sober, sometimes i'll eat a couple k-pins or something, i smoke weed after the beats mostly done sometimes to fine-tune it, if i try to start a beat from scratch while smoking i lose focus. a lot of the time i take DMAA and drink green tea, i'd say about a quarter to a third of the time i produce, and always nicotine (every smoker will probably use nicotine while producing, i use an e-cig now which is nice as i don't need to leave the room to avoid hurting my equipment.)
 
jpgrdnr said:
What do people think about doing drugs while producing?

Any stimulant is aces. Increases focus. Weed and drugs that make things sounds awesome MDMA, probably arent great. but to each his own. I mean its worked tons for jungle, reggae, hiphop ... good portion of techno is coke fueled (Sven Vath I'm looking at you). House owes a lot to disco, and thus coke. I'm just saying as a knee jerk reaction cause if yer high and making music you'd be like "this is fucking aces..." when in reality it probably sounds like ass.
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drugs are KEY ingredient in my opinion....

LSD omg I am not even remotely capable to express in english language how much difference making music on LSD does,its such a wild boost in all areas.... the quality I can put out on trip just fly off the scale like rocket,its amazing
 
^i'll have to try it, i was always great at guitar on psychedelics but always thought it would be too hard to produce on them. dissociatives i've produced on many times but they don't give me the same mind fuck on the doses i take as psychedelics do, i can go about my day after i line of k, mxe or a couple hits of dust whereas psychedelics i'd basically be putting myself in harms way going out in public as i'm typically too disoriented.
 
^ya i'm not a professional producer but i try to produce sober the majority of the time so i don't get in the habit of producing high, or i might feel the need to take something every time i sit down to make music.
 
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