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New bluelight user, long time stimulant user, newish IV user

stimcrazy489216

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My marriage to drugs started about 14 years ago when I was a teenager and started smoking pot and drinking. By the time I was 16 I was a daily hard liquor drinker, and when I was 17 I did my first line of coke. That same year, I saw my friend drop some coke in a vial of ammonia, and it the coke turned into a little lumpy marble, what I now know as crack cocaine. We smoked that first rock in a joint, and I remember being unimpressed with it, like it was a waste of coke. Soon thereafter, that same friend brought over a crack pipe to show me what his ammonia trick was really about, and at as soon as I tasted that first real blast of good crack, my dreams and goals, friend and family relationships, every aspect of life as I knew it was over. I spent the next 7 years working obsessively on any construction site that would pay by the day so I could go home and smoke. I forgot my friends, and my family eventually gave up after I relapsed constantly no matter what they said or did. I lived in a disgusting rooming house, in a terrible neighborhood infested with people even worse than me, ran by a slumlord for $100 a week. I spent those years either at work on a construction site, or in that room smoking the days pay, and at some point after the first year or two I gave up trying to quit the shit and just became ok with it, as long as I had at least $50 everyday except Friday when I needed $150 so I could pay rent and still grab a chunk on my way home. Then one day as I was walking home from the bus stop with my tools, I got pulled over because the cop thought I had stolen the tools. (As a sidenote, I didn't. I had actually bought them, and they were the only possessions I owned other than the clothes I was wearing that day. Definitely no judgement to those who steal, but I never got into it. I was always too scared id go to jail and they would take my dope, so I just found daily paying jobs and worked inhuman hours at illegally low wages to make myself employable) Long story short, I went to jail for possession of base cocaine, and possession of criminal tools (crack pipe). When I got out a few weeks later, I still had the days pay from when I got arrested and my phone was dead, so I went to a bar to charge it and call my boss and the dope boy I knew was most likely serve me instantly. At that bar I met a woman who thought I looked tough and cool, with my beat up clothes and toolbag next to me on a barstool, but she said I stank and needed to shower. So she took me home and within six months I was finally clean and sober. Within a year we had a struggling marriage, within a year and a half she left me because it turns out I was virtually skill-less and couldnt get a "real" job, and at some point after being clean and sober for less than three or four months I had started drinking very heavily again. Six months after she left me for good, I met another woman, but this one liked meth. A lot. I had been away from crack for a while, and meth was never my thing, so I tried it with her a few times and again was not impressed. Then I started smoking it to get more done at work, and doing lines at night because I was tired, and at some point I became a heavy meth user out of nowhere. A year went by like that. That's when I found two needles in her purse and boy was I shocked, and angry. I asked her about it and she acted like it was no big deal, she just did it that way instead of snorting or smoking all the time like me. No big deal she said, and I wanted to impress her so I went along with that idea and did my first dose of any drug via IV ROA. I was instantly obsessed with the needle. I stayed away from it when I first got out here to the middle of nowhere, but I met some users a few weeks ago while I was drunk and I bought an oz of some very high quality speed. Snorted some for a few days, until the syringes I ordered online arrived in my mailbox. Now, I have been shooting 4-5 times a day for about a month, always big shots cause I do things people shouldn't do. I know im playing with fire and I want to be as safe as possible, which is what led me to bluelight. She didnt teach me how to shoot very much at all, she didn't have to since I have massive veins and its beyond easy for me to get a good hit almost anywhere on either arm. I watched her do it once or twice and away I went, poking myself over and over like it was a normal thing most people do. I rotate sites and never using the same vein twice in one day, and use each rig once before I break off the tip and throw them away safely. Both my arms are always covered in makeup or long sleeves, I can't have people seeing my arms looking like ive spent the last month (or has it been longer than a month already? I honestly dont know) shooting up meth all day and night. I am down to a couple grams of dope in my safe, and I want to say I won't get more, but I need to educate myself on this better because ive been through addiction and this feels a lot like a real problem in my life. The only difference between my crack days and today it that now (Correction, for now) I have an actual job and can afford to buy a lot of dope if I so choose. I have met my best friend/new lover/most hated enemy, the needle. It has changed my whole perspective on drug use into a different animal than the one I already knew so well for so long. So here I am, spun out after a long shift, about to do another shot, researching how to do so without ending up dead or diseased or permanently damaged beyond repair in some way. And now strangers on the internet are the only people who I will ever tell the whole story to without lying or leaving things out that im ashamed of.
 
And now strangers on the internet are the only people who I will ever tell the whole story to without lying or leaving things out that im ashamed of.
Hey, man. Welcome to bluelight.
Seems life has been a roller coaster for you as well as a whole lot of others out there (and here). It's a hellova life being a user and trying to gain control of usage... just counterintuitive, IMO. It can be and is a struggle that may last for the rest of ones life. I do not see me being sober so I have come to grips with addiction, usage and not using: Trying to find a compromise that is not so destructive and or straight-edged. It is working out somewhat at this stage but this mental game is taxing and strengthening at the same time. My plan of action needs some tweaking for sure but seems sustainable. Being a "functional addict" looks like my only option at the moment.
can I ask what it is that you are looking to accomplish? I mean; is it sobriety? some insight how to get a grip on IV use? Support regarding what to do with the predicament one finds oneself? Friendship?
Lots of people here are dedicated to trying to help others through rough times and from what I have seen it works out most-times and we stay on an even keel together. Just my experience with BL.
Hope to hear back and maybe try to work out something to ease the torment that one may be going through.
Best always,
Ptah

Thank you for sharing your experience with the drug culture.
 
Hey there. Wow I can totally relate to the battle with meth. I have had a long relationship on and off with the shit, but when I discovered the rig: a different animal indeed. My life has gone from professional with a perfect family, to living alone until I’m evicted and unable to work, with criminal charges to deal with. Chasing fat shots and that rush - the best feeling in the world. Oof.
Meth is also caustic to tissue and causes vasoconstriction- Puts a lot of miles on the veins.
 
Hey, man. Welcome to bluelight.
Seems life has been a roller coaster for you as well as a whole lot of others out there (and here). It's a hellova life being a user and trying to gain control of usage... just counterintuitive, IMO. It can be and is a struggle that may last for the rest of ones life. I do not see me being sober so I have come to grips with addiction, usage and not using: Trying to find a compromise that is not so destructive and or straight-edged. It is working out somewhat at this stage but this mental game is taxing and strengthening at the same time. My plan of action needs some tweaking for sure but seems sustainable. Being a "functional addict" looks like my only option at the moment.
can I ask what it is that you are looking to accomplish? I mean; is it sobriety? some insight how to get a grip on IV use? Support regarding what to do with the predicament one finds oneself? Friendship?
Lots of people here are dedicated to trying to help others through rough times and from what I have seen it works out most-times and we stay on an even keel together. Just my experience with BL.
Hope to hear back and maybe try to work out something to ease the torment that one may be going through.
Best always,
Ptah

Thank you for sharing your experience with the drug culture.

I found that when I finally accepted what I am, things got a lot better.. I used to always blame my problems on my drug use when in reality it was simply a symptom of it.

Nowadays I am capable of having syringes in my house, a decent quantity of high potency full agonist opiates, Drugs most people couldn’t even look at without wanting to use them all up. I’ve found a balance and discipline when I didn’t have that before.

I can use meth a few times a year. I can use cocaine a few times a year (for the most part.)

All that said, there has to be this constant self check in. I had one “relapse” a few years back where my girl was gone for 6mos and I had way too much time on my hands. Used cocaine every weekend all weekend until she was back. That was an eye opener.

But yea had I bought into the AA/NA ideology id be pretty unhappy right now..

-GC
 
Welcome. And thanks for sharing your story. I think you’ll find the BL people won’t feel like strangers before too long. They seem to be the only friends I have at present. Also, lots of resources here for everything from harm reduction to getting clean. See you around.
 
Man no kidding on the mileage adding up fast, my arms officially started looking like shit almost the first day with the zip and rigs, at this point I even gave up on the makeup trick my ex taught me for covering up puncture marks and bruising. The needle...changed the drug for me, not like I Need it more or even Want it more, just like its a bigger part of my life. Before I leave the house or do anything really my first priority seems to always be "how long has it been since I had a shot?" and meth was never like that before for me. IV compared to smoking a bowl/doing a line is a completely different ballgame. For now I have kept my job going well, I did have to call in "sick" once already though because I did a big one just before I was supposed to clock in and I was Way to far out in space to go outside, much less face my boss and coworkers.
 
Man no kidding on the mileage adding up fast, my arms officially started looking like shit almost the first day with the zip and rigs, at this point I even gave up on the makeup trick my ex taught me for covering up puncture marks and bruising. The needle...changed the drug for me, not like I Need it more or even Want it more, just like its a bigger part of my life. Before I leave the house or do anything really my first priority seems to always be "how long has it been since I had a shot?" and meth was never like that before for me. IV compared to smoking a bowl/doing a line is a completely different ballgame. For now I have kept my job going well, I did have to call in "sick" once already though because I did a big one just before I was supposed to clock in and I was Way to far out in space to go outside, much less face my boss and coworkers.
i hear you. I.ve been on a 9 month IV meth binge that I’m hopefully coming to the end of. My arms are shot to pieces. Collapsed veins and big lumpy/ropey veins all over the place. Luckily its winter here and long sleeves don’t raise an eyebrow. I’ve come to believe the needle itself is its own addiction and its probably harder to quit than the drugs themselves. I know that because I’ve switched from drug to drug but always gone IV. I wasn’t sure from your post whether you were keen to quit but we have a thread for that. Quitting ain’t easy - I’ve actually been trying for months but I keep finding myself with a needle in me. The longest I can go without it is about 5 days.
 
Right now I havent really fought it too much. I bought a zip and I most certainly got carried away with it almost instantly but at the same time I don't have easy access to another one. The cats who got it for me turned out to be homeless and a kinda whiney group, they seemed to want me to feel bad that I have a job and a place to live, like I should share my life with them since they got me some speed. Thankfully I was smart enough to not bring them home, we hung out at a hotel room thank god so they won't have an easy time finding me and I have no interest in keeping tabs. Those are the type that go to jail quite often and I haven't fucked up my job much (yet) so I really want to keep it and minimize the impacts of my habit on my overall health. Although im not kindding myself, when I run out ill find more sooner than later. My first priority at this moment is getting more informed about how to inject as safely as possible. I know the basics, one time use per rig, sterile water, clean injection site prior to hit, fresh piece of cotton for filter, dont fiddle with cooker or cotton more than absolutely necessary,acetone wash dope to reduce impurities, pull back to check for good hit on vein, dont rush and rotate sites. But to tie off or not to tie off? If to tie off, when to release tie, before or after slamming the plunger? If not to tie off, is it just me or is it getting less and less simple to get a hit on a vein, even though my veins still clearly show under my skin? How many holes can one put in a given vein per unit of time safely? Which veins are ok and which are less ok? How to reduce tracks and bruising? Are my .2g-.3g shots normal or am I pushing into the danger zone? Fill the barrel with water to dilute, or use less so as for smoother depress and tighter control of barrel? Apply pressure after shot, important or not? How illegal is the mound of used rigs in my drawer? Can I just toss them or is my garbage man gonna flip the fuck out one of these days if he happens to glance in my can and see them? I use needle nose pliers to take the tips off after im done with them so nothing pokey to worry about, but definitely some meth residue in there that the law would not approve of, and of course my blood, although so far im free from disease. Said tips I am currently keeping in a snall glass jar, I guess ill melt them down or something when the jar gets full. What about disease anyway? Am I safe with using each rig once and tossing it, or could I still catch a virus and not know it somehow? I dont hang around any other users at this time but I am sure once this batch runs out I will be meeting some new friends, or finding the same cats again if theyre around town somewhere when I need more. Can I mix a solution of meth water to keep handy so I don't have to fuck with it every time I want a shot, or is that asking for bacteria to grow? Can I mix a shot, load a rig, and put it in my pocket for later, or is that just asking for infection? What to do when I eventually miss a shot? I heard that hurts like hell, hasn't happened yet but I am sure it is a matter of time, is it a dire fuck up or just a pain in the ass? Do the tiny air bubbles matter?
 
I need to probably get a grip on it, but im not putting it down yet. Reduce my use, maybe yeah its probably time to think along that line, but im not going to just not do it at all, not now that I have a taste for it. That being said, I can't let this run my life the way crack did back in my dark days. That was pure misery from the start and ill either go insane or just say fuck it and go faster til I hit the wall. I do want to get my method to a "safer" practice and reduce the damage a bit, if that's even possible shooting up multiple times a day.
 
That being said, I can't let this run my life the way crack did back in my dark days. That was pure misery from the start and ill either go insane or just say fuck it and go faster til I hit the wall. I do want to get my method to a "safer" practice and reduce the damage a bit, if that's even possible shooting up multiple times a day.

Welcome to BL mate, and well done for seeking Harm Reduction advice - I'm sure someone will be along soon-ish to provide answers to the questions above - I'd have a go myself but off out in a few minutes...

What I will say straightaway though is that even if you make your meth -shooting the safest possible practice it will still "run my life the way crack did back in my dark days". I'm afraid shooting up multiple times daily will take you right back there (and possibly much worse) very quickly, however 'safe' your technique is.

Anything else is pure denial / wishful thinking. All the best
 
Yeah, you're totally nt wrong at all and I know i'm gonna have to slow Way the fuck down if I want to keep any semblance of a normal life. After this bag is out I plan to at least wait a bit, and maybe not get shitfaced and buy a whole zip next time...I think an eigth at a time is more reasonable and will help shorten the binge cycle, that coupled with at least a few days between running out and finding more, IDK at this point im just kinda riding out this bender and trying to make good habits in case it does end up being a long term relationship if not an outright marriage
 
But to tie off or not to tie off? If to tie off, when to release tie, before or after slamming the plunger? If not to tie off, is it just me or is it getting less and less simple to get a hit on a vein, even though my veins still clearly show under my skin?
Ideally tie off, get needle in vein and register, release tie, double check register and slam the plunger if you are in. Leaving the tie in builds up too much pressure in the vein and slows down your rush. However, in practice I release the tie and hit the plunger at the same time (tie held in teeth)

How many holes can one put in a given vein per unit of time safely? Which veins are ok and which are less ok? How to reduce tracks and bruising?

Depends a lot on the vein. In practice I’ve hit the same vein all night long doing IV coke without it collapsing - however ideally you would pick a new vein for each shot. That’s easier with meth where you shouldn’t be hitting up so frequently.

Are my .2g-.3g shots normal or am I pushing into the danger zone?

Depends on the quality of the gear, your heart, and your tolerance. .3 is definitely not unusual after you’ve been at it for a few months. I’ve shot up to .5 when very tolerant although it did overamped me a little. you should be able to judge from effects whether you are overly spun or overamped. If your vision goes blurry and you sweat like a pig straight after, then you know its too much. But your doses will naturally increase in time with growing tolerance.

Fill the barrel with water to dilute, or use less so as for smoother depress and tighter control of barrel?

Depends on maximising rush or protecting veins. For best rush Use least amount of water to dilute your meth and concentrate your shot. Meth is highly soluble - you don’t need much water. Maybe 1 unit (1/10th ml) of an insulin syringe per 0.1 point of meth. However meth is highly corrosive so you probably save your veins by diluting it further. The more liquid you have to shoot, the longer you have to keep your needle in the vein which can be tricky too.

Apply pressure after shot, important or not?

Yes. To stop bleeding. Also massage any lumps where you might have missed part of your shop. Do it under running warm to hot water if you can.

Am I safe with using each rig once and tossing it, or could I still catch a virus and not know it somehow?

Very safe as far as viruses go but you could still pick up bacteria which can lead to infection or abscess. Sterilise your fingers and the injection site with alcohol swab or hand sanitiser or similar. Meth is actually anti-bacterial so you likely don’t have to worry about what’s in the bag. The acetone wash will reduce that risk further.

Can I mix a solution of meth water to keep handy so I don't have to fuck with it every time I want a shot, or is that asking for bacteria to grow? Can I mix a shot, load a rig, and put it in my pocket for later, or is that just asking for infection?

I used to do this with coke and got an abscess. meth supposedly anti-bacterial in solution so maybe less risk. A few hours probably not a problem but not longer than that to be on safe side.

What to do when I eventually miss a shot? I heard that hurts like hell, hasn't happened yet but I am sure it is a matter of time, is it a dire fuck up or just a pain in the ass? Do the tiny air bubbles matter?
You’ll know you are missing the shot because it will sting like crazy. Stop immediately you feel the sting and re-register in another vein. Then massage the site under warm-hot running water. 99/100 times this will cause the meth to be absorbed with no lasting ill effects. 1/100 times you’ll get an infection or abscess which requires antibiotics and urgent medical attention. The air bubbles matter - flick the syringe and push them out before injecting.

Hope that answers a few of your questions
 
I was trying to find out if I can keep a fresh shot..like solution is in rig ready to go..can I save it till in the morning and it still be good? No bacteria??
 
I was trying to find out if I can keep a fresh shot..like solution is in rig ready to go..can I save it till in the morning and it still be good? No bacteria??

I would say "minimal" chance of bacteria with meth so long as you keep the needle capped. Improve your chances to nearly 100 % by drawing up through a wheel / micron filter
 
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