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^Re: Ethylphenidate situation at the moment.

Seeing as ethylphenidate is acidic in solution, I wonder if this property could be used as an indicator of purity (I know it's not comparible to LC-MS or NMR!) I.e via careful titration of known quantity with known quantity of basic solution and an indicator.

Would be a crude but interesting test to see if it's being cut.
 
Eph is pretty popular round here, as its so cheap, relatively euphoric and not as fiendish as mcrack

Bought some 3-me-pcp to ery since mxe doesnt do much for me, what dya reckon a good starting dose would be (insuffulating)
 
I tried it again last night, this time at a party. All was going well for the first couple of hours but after that the euphoria began to wear off and I felt very anxious. I wanted to re-dose to get the euphoria back but I could feel my heart rate was still very elevated, which didn't help the anxiety. Ended up not doing any more as I didn't want to push it. This was strange for me as I never get anxious on anything, certainly not in a place I feel safe around my best mates.

Ethylphenidate really does suffer in how its carefree euphoria morphs into paranoid anxiety after an hour (two hours if you're lucky). Getting some food and drink down you does wonders for dampening this though. And an hour after this happens the fog starts to clear and you feel reasonably cool again.

A couple of mates combined a small amount with some MXE with very positive results. I don't know how safe this is, physiologically, but they certainly enjoyed it.

Yeah tiny bumps of MXE feel very nice on EPH. Feels so inexplicably more euphoric, and leaves you in a mess. To me it's as though it feels that good because it negates some natural mechanism on excessive hormone-flooding. Always does a number on my heart as well :\

Eph is pretty popular round here, as its so cheap, relatively euphoric and not as fiendish as mcrack

So you observe a difference between the severity of fiendish behaviour on EPH and the severity of fiendish behaviour on 4-MMC?

In my experience they're equally fiendish, in the way stimulants are. Sure, I'd rather have mephedrone, but my pattern of behaviour is the same either way.
 
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I used 3mg orally on my first 3-MeO-PCP trial and was underwhelmed, ended up doing another 9mg to get anywhere worthwhile. This was oral dosing, and over an evening, though, but I might say to start with perhaps 5. Transform is right, you need to do liquid dosing.
 
I've got through over half a gram of 3-MeO-PCP without liquid dosing. Good scales properly calibrated did me OK. I'm talking £250+ scales.
 
Yeah, obviously if you have those you're OK, but the majority of people are not going to have a high-end balance like that.
 
A vague kind of question, but how do you think somebody like me, who isn't keen on ketamine but loves methoxetamine, would fare with 3-MeO-PCP?
 
A vague kind of question, but how do you think somebody like me, who isn't keen on ketamine but loves methoxetamine, would fare with 3-MeO-PCP?

I find it quite unlike ketamine, it is a bit like low dose methoxetamine but more manic and euphoric. I've been unable to find a dissociative hole as I find the mania puts me off dosing high enough.

If any of this should sound like I don't like it that's wrong, it's one of my favourite things ;) I've only dosed up to around 25mg. 15-20mg is really enough for a night.

EDIT: I think most people should like it up to the 15-20mg mark. Hard to see much to dislike about it. But higher doses could lead to increasingly erratic behaviour.
 
So has anyone had a positive result from etaqualone yet? Got quite excited when it became available, but I've yet to hear anything good
 
I get the elevated heart rate sometimes. Usually if i've been dosing the night before and I do it again the next day. Do you have any benzos laying around? Phenazepam although potent has quite subtle a psychological effect on me. If I take it about a hour before I get on the EPH it keeps my heart rate low whilst still giving me the euphoria and mild rushes from the EPH. I can take quite a bit more this way.

Funny you should suggest that, I've had 3mg of Etizolam over the last couple of hours and decided to do a bit of EPH just before I saw your post to see if I got the good bits without the anxiety. The etiz hit me pretty hard and I've got no benzo tolerance whatsoever. I've sniffed double my normal dose of EPH (only about 20-30mg, I'm pretty sensitive to it). I felt nice and floaty for the first few minutes but that's kinda gone now. Maybe too much etiz had negated the effects of the EPH almost completely. Having said that, I still feel slightly on edge though and a bit chatty. Having a bit of trouble typing, not too shabby though.

I'm afraid to up my dose party because of the heart rate issues (this is my 3rd day in a row on the stuff now, albeit small doses each day, no more than 50mg a night I'd say) and partly because I don't want to re dose on etizolam, 4 or 5mg in one night on no tolerance worries me a bit in a respiratory depression kinda way, especially since this is my first etiz experience, naturally overly cautious. A spliff would be nice, although I wonder if that contributed to the anxiety I felt last night.

Ethylphenidate really does suffer in how its carefree euphoria morphs into paranoid anxiety after an hour (two hours if you're lucky). Getting some food and drink down you does wonders for dampening this though. And an hour after this happens the fog starts to clear and you feel reasonably cool again.

Out of interest, is it the same when bombed? Sniffing things in my experience leads to a hard and fast kind experience, if I was to eat some would it be smoother with less anxiety? I can eat on most stuff but generally only at the end of the night, 3am will roll around and I'll suddenly get the major munch on EPH. Same with MXE, ket and coke. Stopping partying to go and force some toast down or something doesn't sound like the sort of thing I'd enjoy at the time, I'd probably just end up buying a gram of shit coke instead and save the food for later haha.
 
Out of interest, is it the same when bombed? Sniffing things in my experience leads to a hard and fast kind experience, if I was to eat some would it be smoother with less anxiety? I can eat on most stuff but generally only at the end of the night, 3am will roll around and I'll suddenly get the major munch on EPH. Same with MXE, ket and coke. Stopping partying to go and force some toast down or something doesn't sound like the sort of thing I'd enjoy at the time, I'd probably just end up buying a gram of shit coke instead and save the food for later haha.

The high from bombing eph is pretty similar to insufflation really...Perhaps a bit gentler, and a bit longer, but it still results in that same anxiously wired comedown. It's a slower version though.



A vague kind of question, but how do you think somebody like me, who isn't keen on ketamine but loves methoxetamine, would fare with 3-MeO-PCP?
I find it quite unlike ketamine, it is a bit like low dose methoxetamine but more manic and euphoric.
That's exactly how I've found my own experiences with 3-MeO-PCP to be like too. At first glance it's near identical to low-dose MXE, but I found that larger higher doses don't get any more dissociating than this, which is very deceptive since higher doses get crazier in a different sort of way. My favourite experience resulted from plugging 20mg one afternoon, which hit me with an immediate rush of energised mania and didn't wear off till about 6pm the following day despite getting a good night's sleep in between. I got a lot of shit done.

It's a weird drug in that it's very subtle but very powerful. The dissociation is subtle, and the euphoria and stimulation is subtle, but it's steadfast and it influences your behaviour often before you realise it.
 
The high from bombing eph is pretty similar to insufflation really...Perhaps a bit gentler, and a bit longer, but it still results in that same anxiously wired comedown. It's a slower version though.

Sounds interesting, may have to give it a go at some point. I'll have the etiz and some food on hand I reckon. I ended up taking another etiz which has brought me back down nicely. I'm really enjoying the stuff, tempted to take one more but that will raise me up to the equivialant of 50mg valium, something I have never done before. I have plenty of friends who wouldn't bat an eye lid at getting rowdy with the stuff and end up fine, I like to be cautious though. HR after all. My dosages have been spread out over a few hours though. Bare in mind I haven't had benzos for months, is this wise? I feel pretty compus mentus, but my breathing is somewhat shallow, although this could just be because I'm tired.



That's exactly how I've found my own experiences with 3-MeO-PCP to be like too. At first glance it's near identical to low-dose MXE, but I found that larger higher doses don't get any more dissociating than this, which is very deceptive since higher doses get crazier in a different sort of way. My favourite experience resulted from plugging 20mg one afternoon, which hit me with an immediate rush of energised mania and didn't wear off till about 6pm the following day despite getting a good night's sleep in between. I got a lot of shit done.

It's a weird drug in that it's very subtle but very powerful. The dissociation is subtle, and the euphoria and stimulation is subtle, but it's steadfast and it influences your behaviour often before you realise it.

I still have 50mg of this stashed away, I'm a bit wary of it, I get manic enough in the days following an MXE sesh, haha. From what I understand the amount you'd have to take to hole on it could have serious some serious mania related after effects. I believe F&B had an unfortunate incident with it, although I think it was before my time here. Did he reach some kind of hole, or just get a bit manic and, well, we all know what happened to the poor guy after that..
 
If it is possible to reach a 3-MeO-PCP-hole (catchy), it'd likely be a week-long, hyper-maniacal train wreck of a hole, during which you somehow get yourself fired/dumped/arrested/sectioned/all of these things...Like a PCP meltdown, only more hardcore...Not that you'd remember any of it.
 
Fair. Sounds intense. Lose doses it is then! I enjoy sniffing things but I take it it's wise to try this one orally at first? Might have to give it a shot next week. I introduced a friend to MXE recently and I think it's become his new drug of choice, I find it euphoric sometimes but it seems to take him to a whole new level, I've never seen the man smile so much! A little line of EPH on top of it had him giggling like a kid for a good 20 minutes. Maybe a small dose of 3-MeO-PCP will make him a happy chap. I like to have someone to experiment with, after all. Anyway, it's definitely time for bed, good night all!
 
Sounds like 3-MeO-PCP is one of those with a low dose ceiling, like MDAI where it's not supposed to be super intense experience. Any comments on 3-MeO-PCE? I can't find any real dosing structure for it.
 
Don't get the wrong idea, you'll feel 3-MeO-PCP right enough. I've never felt much off MDAI on it's own so I'm not keen on the comparison but that's probably just my own experience. You'll know you've taken 3-MeO-PCP, just the euphoria and mania will tend to overwhelm any psychedelic dissociation at manageable doses.

I should say "I feel it", "I know I've taken it". I don't know about you ;)

3-MeO-PCE I have less experience but similar dosing. Possibly slightly more "creep up on you".
 
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MXE from a well known Place

Anyone else notice that recent batches seem to cause some membrane issues when done under the tongue ?
 
Sounds like 3-MeO-PCP is one of those with a low dose ceiling, like MDAI where it's not supposed to be super intense experience. Any comments on 3-MeO-PCE? I can't find any real dosing structure for it.

I guess if you had to summarise the overall feel of 3-MeO-PCP, if you're in it for the dissociative side, it's disappointing, but if you get over the fact it isn't very immersive as a dissociative, you begin to enjoy it as a high quality stimulant that provides a long-lasting heightened state of awareness that you're barely aware you've got half the time. When you set your mind to any sort of task though, you become maniacally preoccupied with it and before you know it you're off your face on positive reinforcement 8(. In my experience, 3-MeO-PCP is weird in that it doesn't lead you by the hand like other dissociatives/stims. It doesn't blast you into other dimensions like MXE or ketamine, and it doesn't provide any of the pushy artificial euphoria of a typical stimulant either. But once you discover which buttons to press, its actually a first rate experience that provides euphoria that actually feels wholesome and natural for once. Plus it makes the world look the same kind of wonky as low dose MXE.

The first few times I tried 3-MeO-PCP I really struggled to see where the recreational value was...From what I had read about it I expected some sort of psychedelic dissociative with acid-y visuals, so was pretty miffed to just feel a bit wonky for hours. Switching from insufflation to plugging really transformed the experience into a fun one though. 20mg plugged was no more dissociating than 10mg insufflated, but in terms of psychological influence the difference was night and day. 10mg insufflation repeatedly left me feeling kinda bleak and bored. 20mg plugged gave enjoyable mania that never felt out of control or stressful...If higher doses keep getting more and more erratic though...I can see how FnB's 50mg IM backfired. Interesting how he was apparently catatonic though...Perhaps really high doses have cause completely different effects?
 
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