Neurontin 300mg, Delsym 10mL, Valium 10mg - Holy hell what an amazing combo!

[MagickalKat777]

Sorry if this is scattered but my head feels like its being sat on by an elephant right now... and its actually a pleasurable feeling.

A little bit of background... I have suffered from panic disorder, GAD, and agoraphobia since 2004. I've been prescribed all the way up to 8mg of Xanax for it (and then abruptly cut to 4mg of Klonopin and then cut to 60mg of Valium which I tapered down to 20mg using Delsym in 2010) and when all the benzos failed, they have tried everything from Zyprexa to Depakote and Lyrica (which did nothing even at 600mg which is what makes this so interesting) and about 30 meds inbetween from the SSRIs to the know knows what.

Anyway. I started the Delsym at 5mL (I have to build up a tolerance to the strong stimulation of DXM, even with the slow metabolism of Delsym) and took my first dose of Neuro... 300mg...

I have not ever experienced euphoria from Valium. It just makes me sleepy, has a tendency to make me anger easily, and makes me crave every addictive thing possible. Not to mention that I trid detoxing from it... I ended up in the ER 5 days after inpatient let me out with my nerves so shot they thought I was having a heart attack and knew I was having seizures - luckily, both ECGs said that I have a very healthy heart - so they loaded me up with a double dose of IV Ativan and sent me home, telling me to get back on my benzos and talk to my doctor.

Anyway...

I feel like I just took two percocets (without the annoying itching or the CNS stimulation I get from thebaine-derived opiates - usually all I can handle is morphine unless you feed me a benzo with every dose), I feel drunk, I feel like I'm rolling mildly, I am CRAZY horny (we are talking that I could go for hours and even made a post on Craigslist looking for it), all of my senses are on overdrive...

This high is like what mephedrone tried to accomplish and failed miserably.

I don't know if it is the combination that is doing it since I've never taken Neuro without the Delsym or Valium... But I'm high as hell and I'm supposed to go to two pills tomorrow then 3 in 3 more days...

Because of the Delsym, I am curious to see what happens with the tolerance factor... I've only ever seen one anecdote suggesting that NMDA antagonists block tolerance to GABA precursors.

Either way, I can't even keep time right now... and if I walked out in the street, I would probably get hit by a bus.

I also have a weird condition called allodynia... It means that normal light stimulus of my nerves can cause a burning pain (like I can't usually wear a shirt because it hurts) - its gone. I've dealt with it for years... It is a really weird signalling condition... I can wrestle with someone twice my size and barely feel anything in terms of pain... but the second I fight my way out of the pin, the allodynia kicks in again.

I should have listened to my psychiatrist months ago. She's been pushing Neuro on me HARD since I first came under her care...

I'll keep you all posted about the tolerance...

And I know this isn't a proper trip report but I wouldn't be able to write one anyway. I would normally be embarrassed to write such a low quality report... Those who have been around for awhile know my trip reports are amazing well-collected and detailed accounts of the experience.

One final thing... I had some really interesting CEVs last night... and they were not from the DXM... the character was geometric and flat. DXM visuals are a hodge-podge of multi-demensional scrambled messes at low doses and at high doses, you don't know what world it is going to take you to.

I also went from 179.9 pounds in the morning to 186 at night... Because this stuff makes me eat. According to the pharmacist, I can expect to gain about 60 pounds or so. It is about on the same level as Zyprexa for weight gain.

 

[JBrandon]

Interesting post.

I don't have the same psychiatric issues you do, although I do have dysthymia / mild-mod depression. I take 10mg Citalopram for background info.

I was using gabapentin (neurontin) to deal with opiate withdrawals. I did not expect any kind of recreational effect, nor did I experience one from the gabapentin alone. However, just the other night I took 800mg gabapentin, 2mg etizolam, and plugged some ketamine. So my dissociative and my benzo were different from yours, but otherwise, we are at least in the same ballpark.

I felt amazing. It was a hard feeling to describe, somewhere in between pentobarbital and heroin. I was not stimulated at all, I was firmly planted on the couch. Anyway the point is that I've taken ketamine with etizolam before without this feeling. The gaba was the key.

 

[MagickalKat777]

It sounds like this chemical is a lot more than what we think it is... with an NMDA antagonist to activate it.

I haven't taken it by itself... it was with Delsym from the start... but holy hell I agree with you about trying to describe it. Its impossible. The feeling is unlike any other drug I've ever had...

As for etizolam... get ahold of 5mg of Zyprexa zydis... Guaranteed it will blow your mind (no, I have not done it) - but as much as they try to say that zyprexa has no GABA action, the withdrawals are similar... and for people who don't need it, Zyprexa and Geodon both are known to CAUSE psychosis...

I won't get into the debate on who needs what, that is for a new thread...

But I bumped my Delsym to 15mL and I feel exactly like I did on morphine... with blurred vision, an upset stomach (probably the DXM), and an urge to eat (not to mention fuck) everything around me.

I understand the pharmacology on a basic level... but since when have NMDA antagonists activated GABA precursors?

If it is true that NMDA antagonism can cause GABA precursors to be orally active...

Could we not take GABA and ketamine or memantine and an MAOI like Aurorix and have pharmacologically active GABA?

I mean, nobody knows about how gabapentin and pregabalin really work anyway... Besides opening the calcium channel and a bunch of scientific crap that doesn't matter to me - what matters is that if both gabap and pregab are precursors to GABA... and open up GABA channels... which NMDA antagonists naturally enhance... can't we combine regular old GABA, and NMDA antagonist, and an MAOI and have a new drug combo they can't ban? (GABA is over the counter as a supplement, NMDA antagonists are everywhere, and an MAOI can come from moclobemide or from any number of natural plants. Even Saint John's Wort which has the side benefit of being a natural antidepressant)...

Don't use DXM for this purpose... MAOI + DXM = death. Or at least a really unpleasant time that ends up in the hospital.

Anyway, I haven't had pento but I've had pheno... and I haven't had heroin but I smoked opium... And I would say this high is better... although the elephant sitting on your head gets old...

I actually had posted on Facebook about my experience with the 300mg... so a friend went and got 300mg... but she's a kidney transplant... beyond the fact that I already warned her that the main side effect is renal failure, she took it and got high as a kite too - described it exactly as I did here... Although she said it was stronger than heroin. It knocked out ALL of her pain.

I don't know what other meds she is on but I'm almost certain an NMDA antagonist isn't one of them... And I know she's not on an MAOI...

If a mod feels this appropriate, maybe we should move this to ADD.