rm2x said:
What about [vendor] selling Philosophers Stone? Should we contact the powers that be to let them know they are selling a substance that contains psilocin and psilocybin?
Why would there be a need? These compounds have been relatively well researched, and are relatively harmless drugs, are they not? It's fairly common knowledge that the products contain psilocybin etc and shop attendants have always explained the active ingredients in their products whenever I’ve asked. However, if there
is any product for which the ingredients are purposely hidden or not revealed, I’ll have no hesitation in assisting with facilitating identification of the ingredients and revealing this publicly. Same applies for any and all retail products, whether they contain drugs or not. If I had my way, additive abbreviations such as the letter/numbers currently displayed on retail products would be outlawed and full disclosure required.
I think you're confusing the issue somewhat rm2x. In the question you've raised, you're talking about a known drug, marketed locally, which is technically illegal, but relatively safe, and probably already known to police. In contrast, this issue is about informing users and authorities on a range of previously unheard of or little known substances, some of which may, or may not be dangerous to your health. I could also argue that in light of what we know of police surveillance of this site, that you may have unwittingly brought attention to this local product through your above question.
Still, unlike the Neorg range, you can't tell me that police/ forensics don't already have an idea of what's in some of the locally available 'herbal' products. With most of these products - particularly in the example you've used - it would take little to identify the active ingredients. This is because most are likely to be known compounds, and as such, spectral data is available to aid with identification. That's contrary to the Neorg range, where most of these compounds are novel. As such, unless pure samples of suspected compounds can be sourced, often the spectral data required to verify results is all but impossible to obtain.
You might be interested in hearing that others, not based in Australia, intend to reveal the contents of Spice Gold if and when it can be deduced. If it is an analogue of THC, once it's known and stated on public boards, it will likely be specifically scheduled. Still, like these products, if users aren't informed of the actives, people here and elsewhere will endeavour to find out what these substances are.
Also think about drug research as conducted by NDARC and other such institutions. What do you think happens when users describe experiences with new or previously unheard of substances? While personal details aren't passed on, authorities
are often informed if info on new drugs or user trends is deemed important enough. There's nothing new here. It's the way our research organisations and health, social and legal departments interact.
But that meaning of a prodrug would mean things like GBLK, 14,B and 2C-E etc. are prodrugs seeing as theyve all been known or thought to pass through a few stages before becoming an active drug.
A pro-drug is anything that has no structure activity relationship when outside the body, but through some metabolic or body action is transformed into an active drug in vivo. In this case, the substance in question is thought to be converted to an active (illicit) substance through acid hydrolysis in the stomach.
From what I've been told, this prodrug approach is currently being exploited in particular body building products available online, with more than one unaware consumer registering positive for a PED. These potentially life changing outcomes came from taking an off the shelf product which had no mention of any pro-drug ingredient.
Would also like to mention that my brother was getting his products synthed in NZ, not China or India, it as much more expensive, but a much cleaner product.
That is commendable, considering the retail product would likely be more expensive and/or the profits less than for a competing imported product. But without regulations governing compulsory QC, I'd be surprised if all party pill manufacturers would sacrifice market share/profits in this way. I could be wrong though; some kiwis I've known are quite conscientious
So where's the results already? If the cops know then the rest of us should too.
Hold your horses. I've already said that once the survey target is reached the info will be presented here along with that which is known about the effects etc of these compounds. That is, if I ever get the time to prepare it
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