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Opioids Need help please! CWE gone Wrong

Graedon

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I may have consumed 7000 mg of acetaminophen. I used 800 ml water in my cwe of 25 tylenol 1s, I filtered it and cooled it multiple times removing noticable ammounts of solids each time the end solution was clear. Should I be fine or should I go to the hospital.
 
800 mL of water is way too much, but healthy 20-30 year old people generally don't get symptoms of toxicity until about 8-10g, especially if you only use acetaminophen occasionally. If you got the solution cold enough you should remove at least some portion of the APAP. But at room temperature, 800 ml of water can dissolve 9600 mg APAP (12 mg/ml) - I.e. all of the APAP from your pills!

If you cooled the solution to 5C, it would have 6.5 grams still.
And if you cooled it to 0C, it would have 5.7 grams.

You should probably go to the doctor / urgent care
. Especially if you feel sick, get abdominal pains, get xtremely nauseous, notice yourself getting jaundiced, etc. Early treatment is essential to stop APAP toxicity. The progression of acetaminophen posioning begins with nonspecific symptoms, then there's 24-72 hours of quiet, and then you die a painful death because your liver has cooked itself slowly. So it's vital it gets treated early.


And use less water next time.
 
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Thanks for everyone's help. Currently sitting in emergency on my 5th hour of being monitored after 4 blood tests :( I usually research things way before I do them and made a foolish mistake. Definitely learned my lesson
 
Glad you went to the doc. I've never done CWE but I thought the solid was the APAP and you are suppose to drink the solution? If you removed the solid what is the problem?
 
There's other solids in APAP pills, namely the binders and etc. Acetaminophen can dissolve in water to form a clear solution, there just has to be enough water available.
 
Damn learn something new everyday. I guess I really fucked the last CWE I did as well. I thought Tylenol was insoluble in water :(. That's why this site is amazing even after 7 years of being here I still learn shit.
 
I may have consumed 7000 mg of acetaminophen. I used 800 ml water in my cwe of 25 tylenol 1s, I filtered it and cooled it multiple times removing noticable ammounts of solids each time the end solution was clear. Should I be fine or should I go to the hospital.

You should NEVER heat codeine. Codeine is very sensitive to heat (hydrocodone is made from codeine n codeine is a natural substance from the opium poppy. If it is clear you should be ok but if you are concerned please go to A&E asap. They will test your liver.

Also cwe is a method of harm reduction PLEASE do not do this daily for obvious reasons. Please keep checking in so that we know you are ok. I am a codeine addict, now on suboxone 8 mg (hoping to get increased) so I am here, ok. You're welcome to PM me anymore.
Please take care of you, ok

Evey xxxx

Crimson, not meaning to preach but you must remember that, although members on here may encourage cold water extraction (cwe), it is up to the INDIVIDUAL, themself to do further research n to make the final choice in order to be safe it must be acknowledged that individual members are not 'professionals ,' 'scientists' etc n that end up the day it is UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL.
PLease be assured that when I use capitals, I am NOT shouting or trying to be offensive / derogatory in any way, but just trying to emphase things.
Please take care of you. Bluelight is an AMAZING, HR sight but nonetheless MOST of the members are volunteers n NOT professions so any member must try n research whatever, as backup BEFORE they go ahead with any particular action, if that makes sense.

All the best n much love,

Evey xxx
 
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You should NEVER heat codeine. Codeine is very sensitive to heat (hydrocodone is made from codeine n codeine is a natural substance from the opium poppy. If it is clear you should be ok but if you are concerned please go to A&E asap. They will test your liver.

Also cwe is a method of harm reduction PLEASE do not do this daily for obvious reasons. Please keep checking in so that we know you are ok. I am a codeine addict, now on suboxone 8 mg (hoping to get increased) so I am here, ok. You're welcome to PM me anymore.
Please take care of you, ok

Evey xxxx

Crimson, not meaning to preach but you must remember that, although members on here may encourage cold water extraction (cwe), it is up to the INDIVIDUAL, themself to do further research n to make the final choice in order to be safe it must be acknowledged that individual members are not 'professionals ,' 'scientists' etc n that end up the day it is UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL.
PLease be assured that when I use capitals, I am NOT shouting or trying to be offensive / derogatory in any way, but just trying to emphase things.
Please take care of you. Bluelight is an AMAZING, HR sight but nonetheless MOST of the members are volunteers n NOT professions so any member must try n research whatever, as backup BEFORE they go ahead with any particular action, if that makes sense.

All the best n much love,

Evey xxx

I've done 3,500+ CWEs so far. I never cooled down and I never filtered anything, never even had an upset stomach. My method is explained somewhere on this site.

Water amount shouldn't exceed 1mL/pill. Temperature is not important, you can only remove 50% additional acetaminophen by cooling from room temperature to freezing point. No big deal. Volume is important tho. If you use 25mL instead of 800mL you remove 95% of acetaminophen. Sure you could cool down and make it 97.5% but who the f cares? Lol.
 
I may have consumed 7000 mg of acetaminophen. I used 800 ml water in my cwe of 25 tylenol 1s, I filtered it and cooled it multiple times removing noticable ammounts of solids each time the end solution was clear. Should I be fine or should I go to the hospital.

25 Pills fit inside your palm. Just trying to understand your thought process here: A 800mL water bottle is pretty big and heavy. A tiny palm of pills vs. a big water bottle, you never suspected that something was wrong?
 
25 Pills fit inside your palm. Just trying to understand your thought process here: A 800mL water bottle is pretty big and heavy. A tiny palm of pills vs. a big water bottle, you never suspected that something was wrong?

With tht being my first cwe, no not at all.
And I ended up being fine, lesson learned for sure though.
I never heated the solution at all, just further cooled it in the fridge before filtering to reduce te ammount of apap in the filtered solution. Just wondering, I've heard triple thick paper towel and Kleenex can be used as effective filters from multiple threads, any truth ?
 
You should NEVER heat codeine. Codeine is very sensitive to heat

While codeine is sensitive to heat, you can heat it to boiling-water temperatures (80-100C) quite easily and it won't degrade a lot. Just don't be exposing it to open flame.
 
I've done 3,500+ CWEs so far. I never cooled down and I never filtered anything, never even had an upset stomach. My method is explained somewhere on this site.

Water amount shouldn't exceed 1mL/pill. Temperature is not important, you can only remove 50% additional acetaminophen by cooling from room temperature to freezing point. No big deal. Volume is important tho. If you use 25mL instead of 800mL you remove 95% of acetaminophen. Sure you could cool down and make it 97.5% but who the f cares? Lol.

I'll have a look at your method. I have some nurofen plus here I could try n see how it works. Thanks
 
Hiya Sekio,
Thanks for that but in my personal experience, when I've heated codeine, even slightly by using warm water, I never felt anything at all - however, when I have not heated codeine I have felt something. I could possibly be a placebo affect as I read somewhere that codeine is extremely sensitive to heat n light unlike dehydrocodeine, hydrocodine etc which I don't understand because they are both made with codeine.

SS - I have cwe'd with ibuprofen lots of times. The ibubrofen comes out like a kind of mashmallowy substance, likes kind of like the ibuprofen medicine that kids have but obviously isn't. The point of doing cwe with ibuprofen is that too much of ibu can make your stomach bleed, give you stomach ulcurs n even kidney failure.
I still crave opiates which why I'm trying to get earlier appointment to try increase it only thing is I think suboxone is slowing my metabolism.
Anyway no more talk on me on suboxone on this thread please. It's not my thread - I just felt it right to reply. You are welcome to PM me but let's keep on topic of the thread, ok?!

To all posters - this thread has been really informative. I was not aware that amount of water could affect like that. Thank you.

Evey x
 
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Glad you're ok, OP, and also glad you had the courage to seek medical help. A lot of.people don't, and end up getting really fucked over by the consequences. Sounds like you should know how to do a proper cwe in the future, so best of luck to you!
 
100 ml of water for how many pills? The amount of water to use is higly dependent on the amount of pills you have.

The Erowid FAQ states that one should use around 40 ml/20 pills. However, for smaller amounts of pills (i.e. under 12 pills), you should not use more than an ounce of water for the whole thing (source: a very knowledgeable long-time opiate user that used to be very active in the field of harm reduction). It's easy to botch an extraction when dealing with small amounts of pills. Just being curious: did you even get to feel any kind of high at all? I think with so much water, you might have flushed away both the APAP and the codeine altogether...

The Erowid FAQ was really useful to me when I did my first CWE: http://www.erowid.org/pharms/codeine/codeine_faq.shtml

You don't need to heat the codeine. Use warm water. Crush the pills in a jar and pour warm water over them, not hot water; you don't need to heat the pills in order to dissolve them; you only get to heat the liquid if you repeat the CWE process.

Also, since you are a first time user, why did you start right off the bat with 25 pills? Due to many reasons, including to avoid what just happened to you, you should always start low when trying out a new drugs. There's an old saying on the drug scene and it goes like this: you can always take more, you can never take less. So start small and work up from there. If you take too small a dose and you don't feel it, you can always take some more. Take too much and there's no way to undo the effects which can range from mildly unpleasant experiences to straightforward OD. Erowid recommends starting off with 30-60 mg codeine.

And one last thing. Taste the solution. It's not a reliable test and there might still be APAP in it even if you don't taste it. But be assured that, if the solution does taste heavily like APAP, there certainly is APAP in it, maybe lots of it. The APAP and the codeine have different tastes.
 
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