Jericovice
Greenlighter
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- Jan 5, 2016
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This is not hypothetical, and it is important to me. I apologize if I come off as impolite or anything similar, if so please try to understand the situation. Kicking myself as I should have done this hours ago, but I was really conflicted about this thread. I really dislike talking about the business of others. Anything even remotely useful is really appreciated. My worst fear is that I'm a complete moron. Really hoping nobody tells me this is an emergency situation as I considered it and managed to convince myself otherwise someway.
Began when I went to kick it with the greatest of friends today and what I saw worries me a lot. This guy usually tends to have things under control, great for advice, talks about only buying what you plan on doing, taking things easy, slow, and with breaks. Reasonably responsible young adult that usually keeps his place pretty tidy, if compared to when I didn't use and lived alone. First glance I knew something strange was going on, it was a Total f-ing disaster zone all around where he sits. He had been smoking cigarettes inside, and has always been really adamant about nobody doing that. When I came in he sat up and it sounded like his whole spine popped! His kit was exposed and within easy reach. Most of the time unless he is spinning he leaves the door unlocked, so he usually keeps it well hidden otherwise.
All of these factors when combined with the ridiculous amount that I saw he had have lead me to believe he has been smoking almost constantly for at least a week or more, and prob had not moved from that spot for a large majority of the day at least. When I say a large amount I mean more than I would've thought I would ever see so estimating is difficult. Probably against the rules here, but it had to be a min. of 4 grams if not more, and the bag itself was big enough to easily have had twice that originally. Almost lost it when he could only tell me that he had gotten some "a week or two! ago." Meaning that's how much he still had left which made me beyond scared. I tried to observe the condition he was in to see if I should get help, but the most I have ever used is twice in a week at low dose. The best I could manage is he obviously was tired and dehydrated, His eyes were very bloodshot which I thought could be lots of things, and it was as though he had trouble figuring out how to say what he wanted to, and required more physical effort to speak which I thought might be having a dry throat for too long since he had a rasp at first. I didn't know what to look for as subtle danger signs, didn't mention pain no evidence of vomiting or diarrhea, while temp maybe little bit high if it wasn't normal, otherwise he seemed alright considering the possibilities. I tried to get him to tell me how much/often/long he'd been continuously using, and it was almost like I was suddenly talking to a whole different person. Whether he was just too out of it or was purposely changing subjects by being super random is unknown. It was behavior unlike anyone I've seen other than maybe a movie. No doubt way out of character. Not sure if it's possible, I feel like he might have been micro nodding on me, I figure if someone was that gone and became tired enough they could.
Forced him to eat some soup and drink a couple glasses of water during the couple hours I was there, and though I tried to talk him out of it in increasingly direct levels until I was pretty close to coming off as a total dick, during that time he was still taking a rip every 30-40 min. Before I had to go told him to answer when I called Filled three glasses of water and a grabbed a couple water bottles and set them nearby along with snacks and non-prep food he had on had on hand. I called him as often as every 30 min all night and kept telling him to stop spinning, drink the water, and keep answering the phone. I keep thinking I could be doing more, but I am at a loss as to what exactly. I did not want to leave him there alone, but I had absolutely no choice. I am going over again after work and no matter what gonna make sure he either stops or tries to throw me out regardless of the method required. I can't think of any better way because "dude I am your friend and I'm dead serious you need to take a break" is not getting even a moments consideration from him. Might be a terrible idea but I am contemplating hog-tying the damn idiot up and moving every thing out of reach if it comes to that even if I have to sit there all night and babysit.
I am so Terribly sorry to everyone!! I know this is not the real purpose here and this certainly isn't pieced together well at all and might have been shorter. I'm definitely not myself right now. Likely went overboard even ranted a bit too. It isn't fair to yall, I know it's not your problem, and we're not professionals. Yet even thoughts on how to approach this or what to say is something at this point. I know if I don't find a way I'll be unable to forgive myself. This guy is one the top 5 most important people to me he has been leagues more supportive and more involved in my life than my actual brothers even. If not for the things he said I would probably still be addicted to Heroine and dude was so dedicated we even ended up in a fist-fight over it once, so at the very least I owe him more than the same. I just gotta do something, so I'm gonna head that way now to scope the situation myself once more before work. I'll be checking back by phone and likely will be unable to answer any questions you make ask till much later in the day. Thank you so much for your time, Anything you think is helpful about: how to handle it/what not to do and even what the heck might be happening in his head during a state like this is so very appreciated
Bless you and all those in your life simply just for trying.
Began when I went to kick it with the greatest of friends today and what I saw worries me a lot. This guy usually tends to have things under control, great for advice, talks about only buying what you plan on doing, taking things easy, slow, and with breaks. Reasonably responsible young adult that usually keeps his place pretty tidy, if compared to when I didn't use and lived alone. First glance I knew something strange was going on, it was a Total f-ing disaster zone all around where he sits. He had been smoking cigarettes inside, and has always been really adamant about nobody doing that. When I came in he sat up and it sounded like his whole spine popped! His kit was exposed and within easy reach. Most of the time unless he is spinning he leaves the door unlocked, so he usually keeps it well hidden otherwise.
All of these factors when combined with the ridiculous amount that I saw he had have lead me to believe he has been smoking almost constantly for at least a week or more, and prob had not moved from that spot for a large majority of the day at least. When I say a large amount I mean more than I would've thought I would ever see so estimating is difficult. Probably against the rules here, but it had to be a min. of 4 grams if not more, and the bag itself was big enough to easily have had twice that originally. Almost lost it when he could only tell me that he had gotten some "a week or two! ago." Meaning that's how much he still had left which made me beyond scared. I tried to observe the condition he was in to see if I should get help, but the most I have ever used is twice in a week at low dose. The best I could manage is he obviously was tired and dehydrated, His eyes were very bloodshot which I thought could be lots of things, and it was as though he had trouble figuring out how to say what he wanted to, and required more physical effort to speak which I thought might be having a dry throat for too long since he had a rasp at first. I didn't know what to look for as subtle danger signs, didn't mention pain no evidence of vomiting or diarrhea, while temp maybe little bit high if it wasn't normal, otherwise he seemed alright considering the possibilities. I tried to get him to tell me how much/often/long he'd been continuously using, and it was almost like I was suddenly talking to a whole different person. Whether he was just too out of it or was purposely changing subjects by being super random is unknown. It was behavior unlike anyone I've seen other than maybe a movie. No doubt way out of character. Not sure if it's possible, I feel like he might have been micro nodding on me, I figure if someone was that gone and became tired enough they could.
Forced him to eat some soup and drink a couple glasses of water during the couple hours I was there, and though I tried to talk him out of it in increasingly direct levels until I was pretty close to coming off as a total dick, during that time he was still taking a rip every 30-40 min. Before I had to go told him to answer when I called Filled three glasses of water and a grabbed a couple water bottles and set them nearby along with snacks and non-prep food he had on had on hand. I called him as often as every 30 min all night and kept telling him to stop spinning, drink the water, and keep answering the phone. I keep thinking I could be doing more, but I am at a loss as to what exactly. I did not want to leave him there alone, but I had absolutely no choice. I am going over again after work and no matter what gonna make sure he either stops or tries to throw me out regardless of the method required. I can't think of any better way because "dude I am your friend and I'm dead serious you need to take a break" is not getting even a moments consideration from him. Might be a terrible idea but I am contemplating hog-tying the damn idiot up and moving every thing out of reach if it comes to that even if I have to sit there all night and babysit.
I am so Terribly sorry to everyone!! I know this is not the real purpose here and this certainly isn't pieced together well at all and might have been shorter. I'm definitely not myself right now. Likely went overboard even ranted a bit too. It isn't fair to yall, I know it's not your problem, and we're not professionals. Yet even thoughts on how to approach this or what to say is something at this point. I know if I don't find a way I'll be unable to forgive myself. This guy is one the top 5 most important people to me he has been leagues more supportive and more involved in my life than my actual brothers even. If not for the things he said I would probably still be addicted to Heroine and dude was so dedicated we even ended up in a fist-fight over it once, so at the very least I owe him more than the same. I just gotta do something, so I'm gonna head that way now to scope the situation myself once more before work. I'll be checking back by phone and likely will be unable to answer any questions you make ask till much later in the day. Thank you so much for your time, Anything you think is helpful about: how to handle it/what not to do and even what the heck might be happening in his head during a state like this is so very appreciated
Bless you and all those in your life simply just for trying.
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