NARCAN CAN SAVE LIVES....if people will just use it...the story of Phreex (David)

Phreexmom

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I am David's mother. This is my response to a question regarding Narcan saving lives....
" Where to begin regarding my David here in Florida. In 2003 David accidentally overdosed on his prescription fentanyl patches when he woke up confused during the night. At least that is what it looked like. I was at work the next day, called home to check on David. I had to call twice to 'force' my husband to take action. Finally, evidently he broke into David's room, found him unresponsive, called 911.

The EMTs did give David Narcan. My husband and his mother tried to reach me at work via phone. My boss, Lee McNealy, at Convergys in Lake Mary, FL DID NOT bother to give me the message that my son was on life support at the ER. I called my mother in law to learn the news. I drove 100 miles an hour on the shoulder of I-4 to get to the ER. When I arrived my husband said they were 'waiting for me' before removing David from life support !!! The nurse said the black, necrotic tissue in the suction container was 'what he (David) had done to himself'. I had a sh*t fit and told them to save him, to do something. They then said, "I guess we will admit him", and gave him Narcan, restarted IV's, took him to ICU.

Everyone wanted me to take him off of life support, except my daughter. Several days later the lawyer David worked for came strutting down the hall with two large male associates and told the doctors to 'treat David more aggressively' to save him. David's friends called everyone they knew. One friend came clear from Cocoa, FL late one night, and oddly David 'woke up' early that morning. He failed extubation later, the hospital called me so I could be there 'in case something happened'. I immediately told them to do an emergency tracheotomy. The doctor hesitated saying, "you want us to do a trach"? DUH, that is what you do, I had learned as a nurses aide in the VA hospital.

David lived. They did surgery to place a stomach feeding tube, but they did not sedate him enough considering his medication tolerance....he was 'awake' during the surgery and told me and the doctor all of the conversation in the operating room !!!! He was afraid of this and we told the doctor prior to surgery. They waited until I was gone before taking David to surgery !! Narcan saved David this time and he lived 6 more years, though now disabled due to a week long coma, stroke, heart attack, seizures, etc. In 2009 David overdosed twice within a month and the EMTs and hospital gave him Narcan and saved him quickly, he was home within a day or two.

The second of these OD's was because the Volusia County Sheriff forced me to turn over a month's supply of Fentynal to David and his 'girlfriend' even though David and his doctor had agreed I should keep and administer the patches, as David was weak and was being robbed, abused, beaten up and manipulated by his girlfriend and others at his apartment. State Adult protective services would NOT help me, they dismissed me saying I just wanted to control David's patches, selling them, keeping his money,...as if... !!!!! That was the influences on David from others, including my sick husband. So, the 'girlfriend' moved out of state, David had been without his Fentynal for a week or so due to doctors appointment date and girl friends selling his medications. On August 27, 2009 I took him to his previously scheduled appointment, got his medications, finished celebrating his 30th birthday.

He took his medication and went to bed. I checked his vitals, as he always did that himself after getting his meds. refilled each month and after taking them. He was fine, finally sleeping after days of pain and wakefulness. Five or ten minutes later I checked on him and he was gasping. We called 911, EMT's arrived in 7 minutes. My sick husband detained them in the front of the house, telling them David was an 'addict' and had OD'd twice the month before. I was screaming for help with David in the back bedroom. No one came to us for 5 minutes. They continued talking to my husband. They finally came back, moved David to the floor in the entry way. I banged on the closet door and told them to 'do something'. They said their defibrillator was 'broke', they did not give oxygen, IV, Narcan, NOTHING. They did finally fake CPR and took him to the ER. I got all medical records.

The hospital ER doctor emphatically noted on the records that NO NARCAN nor intubation had been done prior to reaching the ER. The ER immediately administered Narcan, but it was way too late by then, like 30 minutes after I found David gasping. The hospital restored a heartbeat with medication and machines. They only kept him on those for 3 minutes, "per hospital protocol", then removed all support and David died. the ER would NOT let me go to him, as I had managed to do in 2003. I guess they learned that mothers do not give up on their sons, so they locked the ER room from the lobby. I am sorry this story was so long. It was and is hell for me. If you want to learn of many, many more life saving stories, look at the Harm Reduction thread at www.bluelight.ru . Yes, it is a foreign website drug users frequent, but they are more knowledgeable and compassionate than most US 'professionals', and families."
 
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That is heartbreaking to know that this could have been prevented. I'm so sorry for your loss.
 
David's Mother<3<3<3 That was heartbreaking to read. I cant even imagine and I would be to scared to try. I find myself contemplating weather my son will be an addict. Once I started to see some signs I dove right in and began to teach him the principals that have seemingly saved me. I can't imagine what you have been through. My heart, love, and respect goes out to you. thank you for the thread. It is long over due that narcon be available over the counter or at least provided to addicts and those close to them. But our broken health system says it needs to be tested for this.. well i say that it has been tested and passed with flying colors. when a system is so broken that it fails to provide a life saving drug to people who are dying because it hasn't been tested and may cause harm.. I say that red tape morron and fools are killing people because they are afraid of hurting them. So many things are absolutely wrong with drugs and how people who use them and are addicted to them are treated but this is a no brainer and I seriously question anyone who would have a problem with this being legal as of now or better yet years ago.
 
Phreexmom, we only know each other from the Shrine, but that harsh fact means we have in common the unthinkable and surreal experience of losing a child. I have always been impressed with your passion and the strength in your words. The fact that your son's death was the result of prejudice and complete disregard for someone they seemingly wrote off as a drug user is an unbearable injustice. I am grateful to you for speaking out about Narcan.
 
i think god nothing happened like that to me.. i did the same thing. i over dosed on those patches.. i woke up in the ER after they gave me narcan. it felt like adrenaline shot or something.. stayed icu for 3 days then 4 more because my kidneys were shot.. im fine now but luckily my father found me in a pool or puke and blood. i was breathing shallow and according to doctors died a couple times.. be careful everyone =)
 
I wrote out a story about having access to narcan saving lives, in response to this thread, and posted it. Then thread got moved and it disappeared? May have been triggering and moved to TDS so got deleted. Not sure.

anyway, Without getting too specific again, In New Jersey Narcan was not available legally and I knew a handful of people would could have been saved by it but weren't. Then I used in California for a few years, San Francisco to be precise - where i could legally get narcan from the exchange. Having it on me while using ended up saving someones life, Twice.

Thanks for posting this - It has reminded me what I have put my parents through, and how much worse it could have been. Thank you, I know posting this let alone being you, cannot be easy.
 
My condolences, but. . .fentanyl binds at mu-opioid receptors more tightly than Narcan (though in the same range of affinities), and as such cannot reliably reverse fentanyl overdose (though it's clearly a good idea in such situations) (source: PDSP database).

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^^ Yeah... Exactly. It's actually really sad how many lives could be saved if New Jersey wasn't so fucking ridiculous. So many overdoses and disease transmissions that could be prevented if just a couple simple changes were made. Not to mention lives ruined with jail because of strict laws...
 
Hello PhreeXmom- years ago I was on Google and a post on Bluelight from your son PhreeX pulled up and was what initially brought me to Bluelight. He had the best way of vividly sharing his experiences in a unique and entertaining way of storytelling. His posts were always my favorite to read, and whenever I stumble across one of his old posts I always take the time to read it.

Narcan is readily available and distributed by the needle exchanges here in California.
 
Such a sad sad story but what an amazing mother who fought everyone & everything in her way to get what she knew her son needed.
Truly amazing lady.
 
Just lost my daughter on Christmas Day, wish I had been there with her. I admire your willingness to share this story. It must have been hard to write this. Maybe you have helped someone else. I have been told me to keep a journal and write to my daughter every day. Thank you.
 
I'm so sorry for everyone's loss :( Such a powerful story, thank you for sharing <3
 
I'm truly sorry for your loss.

I used to use Fentanyl patches for pain. When you say your son was without his meds for a week, how did he manage pain and the terrible insomnia and withdrawal and why did the doctor give him patches again after a week off them, which would reduce his tolerance hugely? I had a few bad experiences with these patches so I switched back to pills and liquid in the end.
 
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