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Nano Thermite found by multiple scientists in WTC dust, peer reviewed reports surface

Could they have been able to convince the american people to start 2 illegal wars without such a "catalyzing event, like a new pearl harbor?" Have you read the PNAC document entitled Rebuilding America's Defenses, released in 2000?
 
I've read Rebuilding American Defenses. The document envisions a need for forward operating bases--by which the authors meant skeletal deposits of material and weaponry, and a very small number of personnel--in various areas of the world, and argued for a refocusing of American military concentration on southeastern Europe and southeastern Asia. Nowhere is there a call for us to commit huge numbers of personnel and resources to a nation-building venture in Iraq, or a project to bring stability to Afghanistan.

Regarding the deployment of brigades at home: you're referring to the placement of certain forces on readiness to assist in the event of certain disasters, such as Hurricane Katrina, a NBC attack, etc. That's all. Such paranoia is really not warranted. Here is the Army Times article in question for anyone that's interested:

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/
 
YOESH! said:
Does anyone here know that our congress was threatened with MARTIAL LAW and BLOOD IN THE STREETS if they didn't pass the bankster bailout? Henry Paulson made this threat. If you'll remember, the bailout was initially rejected by the house. Calls were coming into congressional offices, 100 and 1000 to 1 against the bailout, and yet they did it anyway.
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That a government doesn't respond to frantic phonecalls from people who's only interest is seeing wall street folks lose their jobs does not make it illegitimate.

That the house did not pass the bailout is testament to how scattered and infantile debate in the house is. You neglect to mention that passing the bailout was a foregone conclusion in the senate-- a body that, generally speaking, is made up of peopel who actually understand that their actions have consequences beyond the political.
 
*vomits*
Go back to non-electronic music discussion where being condescending is still cool.
 
FrostyMcFailure said:
hahahahaha

Please watch the power of nightmares & then get back to us
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Excuse me? Please pass a History of Islam course and extensively study 9/11 and terrorism in Social Psychology and other classes at a major university (and pass with an A) and get back to me. There is no video that will convince me that the US government put thermite in the WTC to blow it up. Of course the US contributed to modern terrorism -- with bad foreign policy.

The movie you mention depicts how Sayyid Qutb came to the West to study and was horrified by the immorality that comes with individualism. Then he comes back to the Middle East and is horrified because Western individualism, freedom of though/speech, freedom to wear clothes, freedom for women to get eduacted, etc, is becoming increasingly popular (strangely, Qutb wore suits & ties and did many "Western" things). This guy and his followers promoted the idea that it is okay to kill innocent Westerners in order to bring the "evil empire" down.

If you combine the popularization of these radical ideas with the fact that the US and other Western countries broke many promises with and screwed over Middle Easterners (for example when they divided land after wars, a whole other topic), it's easy to understand why terrorism is still popular today.

It's just funny that some folks will entertain these insane consiracy theories, which are based on anecdotal evidence, and not even take into consideration that just maybe a group of terrorists took advantage of an oppressive country with its pants (security) down. The US government may be war-happy, but it is first and foremost money-hungry. If it wanted to create a reason to go to war, they could've destroyed a Navy ship or something. They would've never destroyed a source of wealth like the WTC or risked mass-revolution if the plan to kill innocent citizens was found out.

It's just amazing how so many people (all on the internet by coincidence) are more pissed at their governments than at terrorists.
 
Even if terrorism was a real threat to the US, and jetliners filled with box cutter wielding terrorists are what actually brought down the WTCs, you have a greater likelihood of being struck by lightening than killed by a terrorist in America. http://www.reason.com/news/show/36765.html

And I will say that for god damn sure, our government has done more to damage the constitution, lives of the American people, and spirit of this country than any group of terrorists ever has!

And in my opinion colleges are just extensions of the public school indoctrination machine. Surprised? :D
 
YOESH! said:
Even if terrorism was a real threat to the US, and jetliners filled with box cutter wielding terrorists are what actually brought down the WTCs, you have a greater likelihood of being struck by lightening than killed by a terrorist in America. http://www.reason.com/news/show/36765.html
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And? What exactly is the point of that statement? I hope you're not saying that you have a better chance of being killed by the US government than by a terrorist.

And I will say that for god damn sure, our government has done more to damage the constitution, lives of the American people, and spirit of this country than any group of terrorists ever has!
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Of course, the government has been around since the Revolution. You are seeing the glass half empty, though. The government also has led to the US being a safe and wealthy place. The poor people here have it way better than poor people in third world countries. And please no one say anything about the Netherlands to combat that statement. Apples and Oranges.

And in my opinion colleges are just extensions of the public school indoctrination machine. Surprised? :D
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Do you think that professors just teach what the government tells them to, or what? Do you also think that the fields of psychology and history are part of the NWO? You say "public school indoctrination machine"...so you're okay with private schools...I don't get it. I like to think of certain websites as conspiracy theory indoctrination machines. I mean you go down the list of what constitutes propaganda, and you can check every item for some of these sites.
 
That depends on what period we think is most relevant for assessing our risk of terrorist attack. Let's say we think the most relevant period is 2000-2009. Last year there were 27 deaths from lightning strikes. http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/fatalities.htm

Assuming that's a typical number, that means that since 2000, there have been roughly 243 deaths due to lightning.

If we want to go from 1998 to 2007, the number of deaths due to lightning is 440. http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/stats/98-07_deaths_by_state.pdf (scroll down to page 3)

Obviously in those same periods, many more people have died from terrorist attack in the United States.

You might also consider the role government plays in preventing and discouraging terrorist attacks.

Ironically, you sound a bit like all the banks that invested so heavily in CDOs, thinking that the risk of default in their particular AAA rated tranches was minimal, because, based on the last 80 years or so of data, that's what is indicated.
 
Kilgore said:
Give me a link to the peer reviewed report.
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YOESH! said:
Say please!

Just kidding :)

http://imgsrv.kfwb.com/image/kfwb/UserFiles/File/thermite-wtc.pdf
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lol... dude, it's an open-access journal. :D

While I support the open-access movement, you have to accept that without the usual financial streams, there often comes a lack of capacity to provide thorough peer-reviewing... or even a stringent editorial process and infrastructure.

Probably need to exercise a little more caution when reading open-access journals. The quality really is lower.

From: http://uncensored.co.nz/2009/05/01/...after-nanothermite-related-article-published/

...One of those most surprised is apparently the editor in chief of the journal. Professor Marie-Paule Pileni first heard about he article when videnskab.dk wrote to her to ask for her professional assessment of the article’s content. The e-mail got her to immediately close the door to the journal.

“I resign as the editor in chief”, was the abrupt answer in an email to videnskab.dk

PRINTED WITHOUT PERMISSION

A telephone call reveals that editor in chief Marie-Paule Pileni had never been informed that the article was going to be published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal, which is published by the journal giant Bentham Science Publishers.

“They have printed the article without my permission, so when you wrote to me, I did not know that the article had appeared. I cannot accept this, and therefore I have written to Bentham that I resign from all activities with them”, explains Marie Paule Pileni, who is professor with a specialty in nanomaterials at the renowned Universite Pierre et Marie Curie in France.

She feels not only stabbed in the back, but is puzzled that the article on dust analysis following the terror attack on the U.S. on 11 September 2001 could at all have found its way to the Open Chemical Physics Journal.

“I cannot accept that this topic is published in my journal. The article has nothing to do with physical chemistry or chemical physics, and I could well believe that there is a political viewpoint behind its publication. If anyone had asked me, I would say that the article should never have been published in this journal. Period.” Concludes the former editor in chief.

FAILING GRADES TO THE JOURNAL

The editor-in-chief’s dramatic departure gives critics additional reason to doubt the article’s conclusions, but Marie-Paule Pileni points out that because the topic lies outside her field of expertise, she cannot judge whether the article in itself is good or bad.

Nevertheless, the publication gets her to give the Open Chemical Physics Journal failing grades.

“I was in fact in doubt about them before, because I had on several occasions asked about information about the journal without having heard from them. It does not appear on the list of international journals, and that is a bad sign. Now I can see that it is because it is a bad journal”, says Marie-Paule Pileni and continues:

“There are no references to the Open Chemical Physics Journal in other articles. I have two colleagues who contributed to publishing an article which was not cited anyplace either. If no one reads it, it is a bad journal, and there is not use for it”, is the harsh verdict.

The professor informs us that a few years ago she was invited to be editor in chief of a journal which would open new possibilities for new researchers and because she supports the idea of open access journals where the articles are accessible to everyone, she said, “Yes” thank you.

“It is important to allow people to try and gain success, but one should not be allowed to do everything, and all this is certainly a bunch of nonsense. I try to be a serious researcher, and I will not have my name connected with this kind of thing,” concludes Marie-Paule Pileni.
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The same site has a bunch of other desperate attempts to smear Ms Pileni. It's really quite sad. The usual internet detective work. 8):D
 
Neon cons are way more threatening to your constitutional rights then imaginary "terrorist" organizations.

but I'm pretty certain they're out for money and power, not the mass murder of their fellow citizens,
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When you can print unlimited amounts of paper money& haave it trade with value you dont ah fuckk about money & move on to more important things which leads ultimately to general population control.
 
^ I enjoy your contributions Pander.

Yoesh, while I obviously strongly disagree with yours, I think you make a contribution too, though I wish you'd drop these truly absurd theories and put your brain to good use.
 
While I really appreciate your shit-talking, the fact is that I have read the documents which prove to me that homeland security has been set up not for use against foreign terrorists trying to blow up planes, but for us. For me. We are the terrorists now.

http://hotair.cachefly.net/images/2009-05/dhs-domestic-extremism-lexicon.pdf

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither"
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have."

I am a huge proponent of the alternative media movement. It's the second term in this "domestic extremism lexicon." I guess I could be a terrorist. Did you know that cops are trained by documents like these from the federal government which tell them that people with Ron Paul bumper stickers may be extremists? And that people who invoke the constitution too many times may be extremists as well??!@@ Oh my god... Please you guys... And yes, these people are arrested, harassed, etc.

THIS REPORT EVEN STATES THAT IT IS FOR NON-ISLAMIC DOMESTIC EXTREMISM SPECIFICALLY. Right on page two! You people are so worried about the terrorists that you're letting your government (the executive) seize unlimited power right under your noses! Our government needs less power, not more. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land and those in power who violate its spirit are traitors.

Are you vehemently opposed to illegal immigration? You're probably a terrorist too.

Of course, just like Pander, the strategy to demonize legitimate movements whose ideas are congruent with the constitution

[FREE PRESS, SECURE BORDERS (Article 9, Section 4 of the Constitution states, "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this Union a republican form of government, "and shall protect each of them against invasion...")]

is to associate them with racist white people or anti-semites, etc. Guilty by association. Well that tired old shit isn't working any more, I'm sorry to tell you. H: you call my theories absurd, but I just consider them observations of evidence. This isn't a theory. This is a reaction to real events, ideas, documents, statements, people, and threats.

Have you ever done a DOS attack on a server somewhere? You're a domestic extremist [TERRORIST]. You're prepared to commit acts of violence and terrorism, because you are an extremist, according to their definition.

"Leaderless Resistance."

Oh and of course, the ever demonized "Militia Movement." Again, a movement protected as inalienable rights under our Constitution. Do you get it? Right next to the NEO NAZIs is the militia movement. Isn't that convenient?

The Patriot Movement is also specifically listed, which I consider myself a member of. Do you declare yourself a sovereign citizen?

TERRORIST!


Just go down the list, see what you find. Documents like these are leaked almost weekly, and they're always from the federal government. Twitter and YouTube are listed in others.

Please wake up, and turn off your televisions. They don't seem to be doing you guys much good :(
 
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Yoesh,

No one is trained to think that everyone with a Ron Paul sticker is a dangerous extremist. That's nonsense.

While there are threats from domestic terrorist groups, obviously, the reform movement, including the staunchly libertarian reform movement, is alive and well in this country, and is not considered a threat by the government.

If you think you are being harassed, then go down to your local ACLU chapter, and tell them.
 
The Missouri Information Analysis Center or MIAC report talks about Ron Paul bumper stickers.
http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/ron-paul-supporters-terrorists
http://restoretherepublic.com/pdf/miac-strategic-report.pdf link to pdf

Detained over bumper sticker
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/92349

Searched for ron paul/infowars bumper stickers
http://www.prisonplanet.com/cops-st...having-ron-paul-infowars-bumper-stickers.html

"How bumper stickers almost got me arrested."
http://www.ubersite.com/m/36378

detained for "dont tread on me" bumper sticker
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=97374
 
None of those sources are reliable, Yoesh. I can pull up internet sites claiming Elvis sightings, UFO sightings, alien abductions, etc.

Ron Paul ran a national campaign, with many, many contributors, some from serving men and women overseas. He's been in Congress for a long time now as well. Supporting him isn't an indication of violence or a tendency towards violence.

Now, if Ron Paul were campaigning on the idea that we should violently overthrow the government, then I think there would be cause to divert resources to investigate. But what you're describing would be a gigantic waste of time and resources by federal, state, and local law enforcement.
 
too bad the main stream black listed him & wouldnt hear of his campaign. Clearly cock blocked, my vote doesnt count. ='(
 
On the contrary, he received fairly extensive national coverage, especially for someone who always ranked fairly low in national polling.

:) Your vote counts for as much as mine does.
 
Heuristic said:
None of those sources are reliable, Yoesh. I can pull up internet sites claiming Elvis sightings, UFO sightings, alien abductions, etc.

Ron Paul ran a national campaign, with many, many contributors, some from serving men and women overseas. He's been in Congress for a long time now as well. Supporting him isn't an indication of violence or a tendency towards violence.

Now, if Ron Paul were campaigning on the idea that we should violently overthrow the government, then I think there would be cause to divert resources to investigate. But what you're describing would be a gigantic waste of time and resources by federal, state, and local law enforcement.
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It's. In. The. Report.
 
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