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Nano Thermite found by multiple scientists in WTC dust, peer reviewed reports surface

Okay. I read the damn thing.

1. Not a single author has any expertise in the relevant fields. NOT A SINGLE AUTHOR. Some have NO expertise at all (one of the listed authors has a master's degree in social work, which is laudable but ill-suited for this). Perhaps this esteemed group will publish a thesis on why the financial markets collapsed next. They would bring about the same amount of expertise to the table.

2. The writers are allowed to "suggest" peer reviewers for their article.

3. Some of the writers, e.g. Steven Jones, have already become veritable laughing-stocks for their refusal to acknowledge the gaping holes in their hypotheses.

4. The big discovery is that some the samples of dust seemed burn at a higher than expected temperature than for thermite. Wow. Knocks my socks off. We've got about 20 thousand computers, microchips, electrical cables, special materials used in the construction of aircraft, etc., all vaporized on impact---and gee, when we pick up some of the material and apply an intensely hot flame, it burns very hotly. Wow.
 
The 9/11 commission report made absolutely no mention of the collapse of building 7.
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On top of all the things you listed, the 9/11 commission report also censored the role of the Saudis out of the final report. That's really suspicious, because in the 80s our government funded Al-Qaeda and the Taliban through Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
 
Once again we have fringe personalities pushing fringe "reports" from fringe sources (Oh wait! Youstooge has it so I better reconsider!) and more badwith sucked into the ether to discuss America killing thousands of its own...or is it Israel AFTER letting all Jews know by email not to report to work? Of course the motive was oil because we would not have any other way to iniate e war without picking the tallest set of buildings in the most watched city in the world...

Oh but the temps would not be hot enpugh EXCEPT perhaps of we were actually discussing stress fracture over a sustained exposure but wait...WE ARE.

I used to chuckle at this shi#. I mean, when I started talking here I was still working there, finding fingers and fun stuff like that, watching literally thousands of scientists from all over the world studying the event in depth and yet we have handful of supposed this and that, none of whom ever had real access to shi^ telling us their earth shaking "findings."

Now it just makes me sad. Sad for people that need to keep thinking such things while never even entertaining licit research from the event...Sad for Americans (mostly that is who dreams this BS) who have every blessing in the world and can only think to soil their nappies as they sha^ all over their lives of luxury.

When one of these nutters explains to me why the US, OR Israel, could not have simply shot an airliner or 2 over the ocean instead of doing this crap on live worldwide TV then I will entertain their fantasies.
 
The fact is, our government has a history of false flag and government sponsored terror operations. They lie and lie and lie to us, but you refuse to entertain the idea that they might have killed a few thousand of their own people for the gain of an explosion in the size of bureaucracy, even entire new agencies like the Dept of Homeland Security.

You guys keep talking shit about the messenger or the way the information is delivered, but ignoring the facts. Can you hear yourselves?
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf

Project Northwoods was a false flag terror plan outlining potential ways to provoke or blame an attack on Cuba which the US government would in fact be responsible for. "We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame it on Cuba." Page eleven. Many possible scenarios, including exploding a US plane over international waters. It talks about drones, pained up military planes, what to do with the airline passengers, etc. This is a memo addressed to the Secretary of defense. Can you believe the language? "Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a wave of helpful indignation!" It even talks about exploding the drone planes over cities for an audience to lend credibility to the US claim of being attacked.

THEY TALK ABOUT USING PLASTIC EXPLOSIVES AT KEY POINTS IN WASHINGTON AS AN EXAMPLE.


John Kennedy refused to go along with this plan. Look what happened to him! Then look what happened with the man who took over.

Do you want more declassified documents? The precedent is there. We were lied to about Iraq intelligence. We armed Saddaam Hussein. We trained Osama Bin Laden. It is admitted that the Golf of Tonkin incident which was used by president Johnson as justification for escalation of the Vietnam war was staged!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4492190.stm

There's an article from your beloved mainstream media. Is that packaged up neatly enough by the corporate sponsored media for you? There are audio recordings of Johnson's phone conversations which prove this. Says here at the bottom that:

"The US government is said to have fought the declassification of the documents over fears of comparisons with the handling of Iraq"

Isn't that interesting?

Are you guys aware of the recent MIAC and Virginia Dept. of Homeland Security homegrown terror assessment documents? These are documents in which Independent party candidates like Chuck Baldwin and Ron Paul are associated with domestic terrorism! Even Slashdot.org is mentioned in the VA document. SEE FOR YOURSELF.

http://www.infowars.com/media/vafusioncenterterrorassessment.pdf
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13232178/MIAC-Strategic-Report-The-Modern-Militia-Movement

Search google news. Alex Jones broke these stories. These documents were sent to him! They are verified as accurate! LOOK!!!!




Can you deny that the bodies that have drawn up these documents have used what happened on 9-11 as justification of their existence? WE ARE THE ENEMY. I would think drug users, who are wrongfully persecuted by a corrupt government would understand some of these dynamics a little better.
 
^ So let's see. We have a proposal that was specifically rejected by our government. And we have an incident that was used in part as a pretext for war; though beyond doubt the incident at the time was confused, and certainly not planned by the government, who did nonetheless seize upon the most convenient explanation.

Okay. So now we're expected to believe that the government planted explosives in the WTC and committed 9/11... and no one has yet spoken about such a massive conspiracy? In all the investigations, nothing has been uncovered?

Get real.
 
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^ So let's see. We have a proposal that was specifically rejected by our government. And we have an incident that was used in part as a pretext for war; though beyond doubt the incident at the time was confused, and certainly not planned by the government, who did nonetheless seize upon the most convenient explanation.

Okay. So now we're expected to believe that the government planted explosives in the WTC and committed 9/11... and no one has yet spoken about such a massive conspiracy? In all the investigations, nothing has been uncovered?

Get real.
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Norm Mineta spoke about it. Listen to his testimony yet? Traces of explosives have been uncovered. You're hilarious.

I don't expect you to believe anything.
 
Right. Norm Mineta spoke about the government conspiracy which produced 9/11. Traces of explosives have been uncovered. Also, I have pigs flying out of my ass, and I'm now intensely concerned that I have swine flu.

Which one of the above assertions is most likely to be true?
 
Yoeshi: In the interest of civility...that and incredible boredom that comes from living in the middle of nowhere, I will engage your points.

"The US has a history of False Flag Ops.": Most able nations do and yet even the most inept would not leave so much to chance.

You imagine that in order to create a nureaucracy, the US Govt. Would orchestate the killing of thousands of its own people on live tv, viewed by the entire world but more to the point, in lower Manhattan and viewed live from every angle.

You ignore my earlier point that people could accomplish your envisioned goal without any real risk, so why do it THIS way?

More to the point, Homeland was basicaly created by combining existing infrastructure into a new title but it is not an absolutely new entity.

Furthermore, what would ultimately be gained from this creation?

"Kennedy refused to go along with it...": Riiiight.

America has dirty hands, no doubt, just nowhere near the degree that you imagine.

Training Omega for Bay of Pigs is one thing, but claiming the govt killed the President is entirely another.

"Drig users...": Not all BLers use drugs. Though I am certainly an addict I am in now way stereotypical, and I think it would be smart not to try to typecast any demographic, least of all one you probablly belong to.

In the West people have the sad and disgusting habit of putting their entire belief system into neat little boxes. "I am a Liberal. I am Pro-Life, Pro- ERA, Pro- Nationalised Health Care..." It is nonsense.

When people do that they limit their options. America is cursed, absolutely cursed with its 2 Part domination.
 
They can both kiss my ass, and so can you. I am certain in what I know.

As far as the two party system goes, I can promise you that the people did not choose to have their choices limited this way. The democrats and republicans are the left and right hands of the same asshole puppeteer. Ron Paul got more dollars in donations from veterans than ANY other candidate, and yet he was cut out of the re-airings of the republican presidential candidate debates! He wasn't allowed nearly as much time as the others either. The other 3 or 4 main independent candidates wanted to get some media exposure, but were unable to. The only honest news network on television, CSPAN, is the only TV media outlet that gave Chuck Baldwin or Cynthia Mckinney any air time.

Why would independent candidates and those who go against the mainstream be so mercilessly shut out of the debates?

http://www.sevenstories.com/Book/index.cfm?GCOI=58322100234970

There are people fighting all over this country to get a more honest debate going in the political arena, between people of truly different ideologies. I, for example, got signatures in my state to get Ralph Nader on the ballot, and we just barely got enough. Working with those people who are involved in his campaign, including a guy who was living in DC out of Nader's office at the time, I often heard them express how the hoops they have to jump through are ridiculous and that the government makes is excessively difficult.

http://www.sevenstories.com/Book/index.cfm?GCOI=58322100234970

Read that book for information about how the Dem. and Repub. parties control the debates.

You know, the independent parties actually had their OWN debate. Did you hear about that? Probably not, if all you're watching is the corrupt superconglomorate multinational cable television channels!!


https://www.checkpointusa.org/blog/index.php/2009/04/17/p139

Did you know that 100 miles inland from the border of the Unites States is a "Constitution free zone?" I didn't come up with that term. Our loving government did. Our loving government, which infected black men with sphillis without telling them and studied them as they died. The same government that brought the sick and twisted Nazi scientists over to work in our own country so that we might benefit from the research they were able to conduct... Much of it on death camp slaves.

"In the West people have the sad and disgusting habit of putting their entire belief system into neat little boxes. "I am a Liberal. I am Pro-Life, Pro- ERA, Pro- Nationalised Health Care..." It is nonsense."

YOU are the one putting my entire belief system into one little package.

""The US has a history of False Flag Ops.": Most able nations do and yet even the most inept would not leave so much to chance."

So you admit that governments lie to and sometimes murder their own people for political or military gain, and then in the same breath criticize me for entertaining the idea that 9/11 was a false flag? The examples I gave previously are not the only examples.

Even ignoring my nation's history of brutalizing its own innocent citizens (radiating children under state care to death), it is a proven fact that our government is responsible for the illegal war that has resulted in the murder of 1.3 MILLION Iraqis.

Tell me.

Were all of those people terrorists? How many of them do you think were children? How many millions more are maimed? How many more innocent people, untouched by bullets, will slowly become sick with the radiation emanating from the depleted uranium rounds that have been injected into the landscape around them?

You think a government that would do that to one nationality of humans wouldn't do the same thing to another?!



HERE IS NORM MINETA SAYING FROM HIS OWN MOUTH THAT CHENEY GAVE THE STAND DOWN ORDER, NOT ONCE BUT TWICE. WAKE THE FUCK UP!

http://hidhist.wordpress.com/terror...s-that-dick-cheney-ordered-stand-down-on-911/


How convenient for you! His testimony was left out of the 9/11 commission! I WONDER WHY?
 
I am certain in what I know.
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Great, guess whose company youre in now...

9/11 hijackers. You're a fucking moron if you're certain in what you know-- especially in the case of finding rust and aluminum at ground zero, and knowing that 100 tons were moved into the building on all floors leading up to a massive detonation that was completely undamaged by HAVING TWO PLANES FLOWN INTO IT.
 
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What I know is that the buildings were brought down in a controlled demolition. I don't know the specifics of how.

I do know that burning thermite can get hot enough to melt steel, and that kerosene does not.

"especially in the case of finding rust and aluminum at ground zero"

The rust and aluminum were on different sides of the same particles. Grey on one side, red on the other. Aluminum doesn't rust into iron oxide. How were these materials combined in such a small scale?


If fire brought down all 3 of these steel framed structures, two of which were built to be able to withstand airplanes crashing into them, then you would think it would have happened at some point during history, but it hasn't. Statistically, that should make you scratch your head.

Look at this steel framed structure. Can you tell me why it didn't collapse into its own footprint?

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It is a Chinese CCTV building that just recently caught fire, burning for dozens of floors, eventually consuming the majority of the building. It looks much hotter than the WTC fires to me, and it didn't so much as lean over! Still you are not suspicious? Amazing!
 
it collapsed into its own footprint because of structural failures moving floor by floor downward once the initial failure happened at the site of the impact. Steel didn't have to melt, all it had to do was become mailable enough to fail to support the load. Once one floor of supports failed, the load from the top umpteen floors fell directly onto the lower intact floors, and they failed one by one in quick succession. It looked absolutely nothing like any controlled demolition I've ever seen.
 
I am skeptical of this controlled demolition idea, but I also wonder about a lot of things surrounding 9/11. Like the PNAC document that lays out the neocon strategy for world domination, and then goes on to say that the people won't go along with it if a "new pearl harbor" didn't happen. They also wrote to Clinton in 98 talking about how he should invade and overthrow the Iraqi government. Don't any of you think that is suspicious? That might be the motive for the crime. They benefited a lot from 9/11, and they obviously knew beforehand that they would benefit from an attack like 9/11.

There are lots of other things that make me think it was either an inside job or that they let it happen on purpose:

-The Bush Administration extremely resistant to an investigation of it
-The allegations of the FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, who says that the government has been infiltrated by a criminal gang
-That the 7th building collapsed even though it wasn't hit by a plane
-The fact that the 9/11 commission censored itself and failed to answer many questions
-The links between our intelligence agencies and the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in the 80s
-The fact that many people from the Middle East say Bin Laden doesn't exist, supposedly he is like the boogeyman, or Goldstein from 1984.
-Why didn't NORAD catch those planes?

At the very least, I think people high up in the Bush Administration let the attack happen on purpose, so that would have an excuse to start wars and violate civil liberties. I'm even more suspicious about the anthrax attacks, I'm pretty sure that those were done by someone in our own government.

But why does it matter if they were false flag attacks or not? Whether they were or not, our government is still extremely corrupt, it has still done plenty of evil things around the world and in the US, politicians still lie and deceive on a massive scale, they still violate our civil liberties and human rights. The way I see things, the truth about 9/11 is totally irrelevant. No matter what, our government is still run by scumbags. So why does this matter so much to some people?
 
"So why does this matter so much to some people?"

Because the war on terror, which started with this event has led to the gutting of the constitution and the destruction of most of the remaining rights we have.

Habeus Corpus
Posse Comitatus
Protection from unreasonable search and seizure
NSA spying
Continued militarization of the police
Torture! And I'm not just talking about waterboarding. I'm talking about razor blade penis slicing.
Loss of state rights
Centralization of power leads to more corruption. The federal government is supposed to be subservient to the states.
 
I know, but what difference does it make if it was an inside job or not? We still lost all those things no matter who was responsible for 9/11.
 
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