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Treatment NA group gaslight me in an attempt to 'save' me

chris_p

chris_p

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Without going into too much detail the entirety of my local NA (narcotics anonymous) proceeded to show up at my house, at least 10-15 people from what I heard and make noises and whisper in voices to pretend I was going insane right outside my walls. Later on they showed up with a ukulele and started singing about how much they wanted me to be saved and a lot of other NA literature nonsense and for the 'capturer' to give up. I was very taken aback at first they would go all this way to help me but it went on for about 3 days straight of a literal stalking camping of them driving up and making noises at my walls to convince me I was insane. I showed up at NA more than a few times not sober so I understand what they were trying to do but the worst part was the gaslighting. One women at the meeting told me the truth because she felt bad but the rest would continue to lie and claiming I was hallucinating the whole time from drugs and they would just pile on the lies further and further to almost an obsessive point. What the fuck is the point of a recovery group if they think driving a person insane is the road to recovery? I think I've given up. Just gonna do drugs again, fuck these posers

I know this sounds like the talk of a literal schizophrenic but the entire point of the 'intervention' is to make you realize you are insane from drugs. I was awake for almost days thinking they were still there and yes I was on methamphetamine which made it all significantly worse. I know I'm not the first person they did it to because someone else spoke about the same thing happening to them at another meeting and the drug is very common around here. Do you think they did the right thing? I'm honestly considering not going to another NA meeting knowing I have to look the fucks who agreed to this in the eyes but maybe this is just the drugs speaking like they love saying. Thoughts?
 
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That sounds screwed up Chris. Next time they do that you go outside look each and everyone of them in the eye and promise them that you’ll buy a scale. That should at least comfort them. :p
 
chris_p said:
at least 10-15 people from what I heard and make noises and whisper in voices to pretend I was going insane right outside my walls
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chris_p said:
it went on for about 3 days straight of a literal stalking camping of them driving up and making noises at my walls to convince me I was insane

I know this sounds like the talk of a literal schizophrenic
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chris_p said:
I was awake for almost days thinking they were still there and yes I was on methamphetamine which made it all significantly worse
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Seems pretty obvious it was meth psychosis. Don't use meth and see if it happens again to prove me wrong
 
Man, I say this with all love, but it's really difficult to believe this is what is actually happening. It sounds like textbook stim psychosis. Talking through the walls? Man, they would just knock on your door or call you if they wanted to talk to you.

NA does not facilitate interventions, nor do they operate like this outside the meetings. They don't go to people's houses like that. There are rules and protocols they follow.

How do they even know where you live in the first place?

But I will say this, I much prefer AA over NA. It's the same program, same book, same traditions, but I find the people to be much better than NA. DAA is also good.
 
It's called Narcotics Anonymous for a reason. Showing up at someone's house uninvited playing a ukulele outside and making a scene is not something they would do.

Electrum1 said:
Pretty much the worst decision to make after meth psychosis is to dismiss that it could've been meth psychosis just so you can justify doing meth again, causing the same stuff to happen again and convincing you even more that it was real
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The delusion mechanism during psychosis is powerful. The brain forces them to make it real, like The Matrix.
 
Jeeez, that sounds like a lot or work. Fascinating, and here I’m thinking drugs are relaxing.

So hopefully Chris comes back when he’s feeling better. I tried to make a joke, but the joke was on me.
 
chris_p said:
Thoughts?
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Whatever that was, it was not an NA-approved activity. NA, like AA, operates by the principle of attraction, not promotion. They don't do interventions.

I strongly suspect the OP experienced temporary psychosis due to acute methamphetamine intoxication and sleep deprivation.

Get some rest, dude!
 
jasperkent said:
Get some rest, dude!
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Chris has surprised us before. He may have literally had his town AA at his door. But yeah, they don’t do interventions. It’s a program of attraction as was said. Which is probably why it’s had some success. Only courts can force somebody to go.

Quick question, nobody has to answer cause I’ll go research. Even if I don’t do a certain drug, I think research is fascinating. What does it look like from the outside, to a person that is normal and just observing someone in this state? Something like this would be hard to hide I would think.
 
Quasimoto said:
But I will say this, I much prefer AA over NA. It's the same program, same book, same traditions, but I find the people to be much better than NA.
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I always preferred AA as well, although I did attend quite a few NA meetings.

Tiny nitpick:
Narcotics Anonymous has its own book: Narcotics Anonymous.
However, Crystal Meth Anonymous does use the AA book Alcoholics Anonymous.
 
JackARoe said:
What does it look like from the outside, to a person that is normal and just observing someone in this state? Something like this would be hard to hide I would think.
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Pretty much like a paranoid schizo having an episode but at a much higher energy level. People always in the shadows. People watching you through your furnace vents. FBI listening to you through some technology that monitors the vibrations on your windows. The trashman and mailman being "in on it". Hearing things that aren't there like voices from the noise of your floor fan. It can get to the point you hear full radio shows or whatever that aren't happening. If it gets bad enough you'll have straight up visual hallucinations of your house being surrounded by cops and things like that with the auditory hallucinations to go along with it

Just don't stay up for 3-4 days and you can avoid it. It starts happening easier the more times you go through it
 
Electrum1 said:
Pretty much like a paranoid schizo having an episode but at a much higher energy level.
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Got it, thanks. So the person actually does look like they are frazzled. I have never seen that. Meth was .missing from the NE of the US when I was growing up. One time I sought it out, called a cousin in the Village in NYC. Could not get it but that was the only time. Then after I sought it my classmate came through with another handful of 10 mg ritalin which was fine for school and to finish the course.

Yeah I hope Chris is ok. At least we know he has xanax.
 
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chris_p said:
Without going into too much detail the entirety of my local NA (narcotics anonymous) proceeded to show up at my house, at least 10-15 people from what I heard and make noises and whisper in voices to pretend I was going insane right outside my walls. Later on they showed up with a ukulele and started singing about how much they wanted me to be saved and a lot of other NA literature nonsense and for the 'capturer' to give up. I was very taken aback at first they would go all this way to help me but it went on for about 3 days straight of a literal stalking camping of them driving up and making noises at my walls to convince me I was insane. I showed up at NA more than a few times not sober so I understand what they were trying to do but the worst part was the gaslighting. One women at the meeting told me the truth because she felt bad but the rest would continue to lie and claiming I was hallucinating the whole time from drugs and they would just pile on the lies further and further to almost an obsessive point. What the fuck is the point of a recovery group if they think driving a person insane is the road to recovery? I think I've given up. Just gonna do drugs again, fuck these posers

I know this sounds like the talk of a literal schizophrenic but the entire point of the 'intervention' is to make you realize you are insane from drugs. I was awake for almost days thinking they were still there and yes I was on methamphetamine which made it all significantly worse. I know I'm not the first person they did it to because someone else spoke about the same thing happening to them at another meeting and the drug is very common around here. Do you think they did the right thing? I'm honestly considering not going to another NA meeting knowing I have to look the fucks who agreed to this in the eyes but maybe this is just the drugs speaking like they love saying. Thoughts?
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Wow, that must be some weird rogue NA group. Is it being taken over by a guy or woman who, claims they have special spititual powers; and is a trying to form a cult?lol

Wow I never heard anything like that. But you seem really convincing. If you are serious, I would stay away from those weirdos. Is there any other NA groups? This one, if this is true; they are completely nuts and you should not be weary of getting help or going to a different NA group, based on these nuts. Showing up at your house? Stay away, but find a different group; one that doesn't make unwanted house calls.lol
Really, because if this is true; this is actually funny. If this a thing that some groups are doing, then this is not good. It will only scare people away.

Who wants a bunch of strangers trying to make you feel insane. Bothering you at home? If true, stay away
 
JackARoe said:
That sounds screwed up Chris. Next time they do that you go outside look each and everyone of them in the eye and promise them that you’ll buy a scale. That should at least comfort them. :p
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I don’t really know if that would calm it down or take things up a notch with legend @chris_p
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Chris that’s fucked your NA chapter. That’s pretty explicitly against how i understand NA to work. “We became willing”. Step 3 says. There is no step that says people outside of your own self force you into recovery.

This is not in the 12 traditions nor the literature.

The literature even teaches against st this. I would find out exactly where and quote it to them. Like using bible verses against hypocritical Christians.

I didn’t know you’ve been to NA meetings. Is there a seed there where you wish you weren’t a drug addict? Or were you being forced to go or something?
 
I affirm again I'm 99% sure it wasn't meth psychosis as there is a quality to hallucinations that real senses don't have and as a person whos drug of choice is hallucinogens I think I can tell the two apart at least retroactively. When I say meth is a common drug here, 90% of the people in NA are there for meth abuse, they knew what they were doing for sure. Although NA doesn't facilitate interventions these people know me quite well and I can guarantee I wasn't the first person they did it to as I heard about the same thing being spoken in the groups before and en quote, "there's nothing wrong with lying if its to save a life". If it was against NA rules couldn't I report them? But again, the whole point is to make you sound crazy and this thread shows it did the trick quite well, nobody would really believe me anyway, which is kind of fucked up since the whole deal with NA is not making people uncomfortable

LucidSDreamr said:
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Chris that’s fucked your NA chapter. That’s pretty explicitly against how i understand NA to work. “We became willing”. Step 3 says. There is no step that says people outside of your own self force you into recovery.

This is not in the 12 traditions nor the literature.

The literature even teaches against st this. I would find out exactly where and quote it to them. Like using bible verses against hypocritical Christians.

I didn’t know you’ve been to NA meetings. Is there a seed there where you wish you weren’t a drug addict? Or were you being forced to go or something?
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Definitely it goes heavily against the traditions I'd but our local NA is very nonprofessional is a way of saying it. I haven't really read any of the books or done any step work I just go because I have some desire to get clean. I knew a few people pretty well including a sponsor called Matthew who told me I had to message him every time I took drugs and I did it for a while but then I started feeling guilty and stopped messaging him or going to meetings so thats definitely what triggered it. They know my address too since I've had to ask multiple people for rides. I went back to NA yesterday anyway and everyone was being very welcoming but I decided not to mention anything. I think I honestly just feel bad that so many people spent effort on a person they barely know and looking back their intentions were definitely good even if what they did I think is wrong so I will give it an actual try for a short while and see if it works, but I'm not giving up booze and weed...
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
no one even has time for that shit. They definitely care about you, just not that much.
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I thought this too I was like why are so many people here for one person. Again I must repeat that nobody will believe me but I not only heard them but saw them too and these aren't some random people I could easily mistake I know them for probably 3-4 years.
 
chris_p said:
I affirm again I'm 99% sure it wasn't meth psychosis as there is a quality to hallucinations that real senses don't have and as a person whos drug of choice is hallucinogens I think I can tell the two apart at least retroactively. When I say meth is a common drug here, 90% of the people in NA are there for meth abuse, they knew what they were doing for sure. Although NA doesn't facilitate interventions these people know me quite well and I can guarantee I wasn't the first person they did it to as I heard about the same thing being spoken in the groups before and en quote, "there's nothing wrong with lying if its to save a life". If it was against NA rules couldn't I report them? But again, the whole point is to make you sound crazy and this thread shows it did the trick quite well, nobody would really believe me anyway, which is kind of fucked up since the whole deal with NA is not making people uncomfortable



Definitely it goes heavily against the traditions I'd but our local NA is very nonprofessional is a way of saying it. I haven't really read any of the books or done any step work I just go because I have some desire to get clean. I knew a few people pretty well including a sponsor called Matthew who told me I had to message him every time I took drugs and I did it for a while but then I started feeling guilty and stopped messaging him or going to meetings so thats definitely what triggered it. They know my address too since I've had to ask multiple people for rides. I went back to NA yesterday anyway and everyone was being very welcoming but I decided not to mention anything. I think I honestly just feel bad that so many people spent effort on a person they barely know and looking back their intentions were definitely good even if what they did I think is wrong so I will give it an actual try for a short while and see if it works, but I'm not giving up booze and weed...
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my sponsor told me today it doesn’t work in the short term. I was complaining about my past relapses saying I had done everything right. It he said I have to do it for years before I’ll actually have the skills to not relapse when the cravings or bad feelings come


That’s great that you have some desire to get clean. Why do you have that desire? What made you want to think about trying to stop?
 
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