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N,N-PiPT (vaporized, unknown dose) - 1st Time - "Sad and Sleepy"

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N,N-PiPT (vaporized, unknown dose) - 1st Time - "Sad and Sleepy"


Due to my efforts to clean up some of the reported on contaminants, my N,N-PiPT freebase reverted back to an oily goo instead of a fine salmon-colored powder. This made storing, weighing, and administering it difficult. I was worried that it would decompose even faster than it otherwise would, so I opted to vaporize it today instead of taking other more intriguing materials. I thought about dissolving it in a volatile solvent and spraying it onto plant matter for smoking, but opted to use a ceramic donut coil vaporizer instead.

Background:

I've taken dozens of different psychedelics over 20+ years. It has been three weeks since my last psychedelic experience and a week since I took any St. John's Wort. I've had no drug today but caffeine and a half of a brunch margarita a couple hours earlier, leaving me feeling quite tired. I'm in a good mood otherwise, and it's a beautiful day. My stomach is still full of ultra greasy tacos.

Experience:

0:00 I added a ball-bearing or Dippin' Dot-sized blob to the ceramic coil, then pulsed the vape pen, inhaling long and slowly, holding my lungfull for over a minute. The effects begin immediately, but build slowly over four minutes. They're mild, appropriate to the presumed low dosage. It reminds me of EPT, but less euphoric, more generic. It's pleasant enough.

0:04 I load up another comparable blob and repeat. The effects slowly become stronger, reminding me again of EPT, but less enjoyable. It's a neutral sort of tryptamine stoniness growing. There're some feelings of over-fullness in my stomach all of a sudden, but no actual nausea. (This persists for the rest of the experience.)

0:07 I load up a fatter blob, and start vaping it over the next few minutes. The effects flesh out a bit more. I am getting no somatic sensations at all. There's the awareness that something is going on at a cognitive level, but it's as clear headed as base tryptamines seem to generally be. I wouldn't want to try to interact with people at a grocery store, for instance, but I'm a long ways from feeling cognitively debilitated or out to lunch.

My friend's cat has become aware that I'm taking a psychedelic and has come over to investigate. While it generally dislikes the vibes that I give off on psychedelics (particularly from MAL and mescaline,) there are a few (2C-B) that he doesn't seem to notice and a couple (DMT) that he loves. In the past when I've smoked DMT, he has come running from across the house to cuddle up next to me and purr enthusiastically. He seems to like this material a lot, too, settling in firmly beside me.

As the effects build, they become a bit more grey in character. I feel like a flat, blank drawing board cognitively. Emotionally, it's a different story. I feel an emotion that I don't have a word for, but which seems familiar, and I feel it prominently. It's not exactly sadness, nor is it exactly melancholy. I can't tell if it's something bubbling up from my life that I need to address, or if it's an artifact of the drug's pharmacology. I respond weirdly to serotonin releasers and sometimes to agonists (MDMA makes me feel sad and alone, and psychedelics occasionally make me feel emotional pain on come-up,) so I don't know if this is an example of this phenomena or if it's insight. I don't mind sad trips; they're rare for me, but can be useful. I set about trying to figure out where this is coming from.

0:10 I keep powering down. It's something that I do when mushrooms become too intense, basically just turning off my conscious mind and surrendering to the point of near blackout. This is nowhere near strong enough of an experience to warrant this. I think it instead comes from the isopropyl character of this drug. 4-HO-DiPT has a profound absence to it, a void quality to the mental landscape it produces. This has a bit of that. When I try to explore the source of the emotion, my mind just falls into a tiny, hard, black point in the middle of a grey-white void. It's like I'm falling asleep. I can't discern anything about the only real quality of this experience, an almost purely emotional trip, because I find myself just falling into the blankness. I couldn't connect to it. It's not frustrating, but it's also not interesting or useful. A drug that just makes me feel sad and sleepy is novel only for a little while.

0:15 I'm coming back from some nitrous. It wasn't especially insightful; actually, it was pretty nihilistic (but without the negative emotional connotation of the word.) I came back thinking that taking a long break from psychedelics to focus on other priorities might be worthwhile. As the somatic sensations of the nitrous kicked in, my friend's cat stood up, confused and disappointed looking, and left. There's no accounting for taste.

0:25 I seem to be down at a low plateau now, for at least 5 minutes. Nothing of interest here.

0:30 The low plateau continues. I imagine that I will just feel "sad" for the next hour or so before it finally disappates. To hell with this, I'm aborting this by insufflating a more enjoyable psychedelic.

Summary:

I don't know what this will do in another body, but I didn't find this to be particularly useful or interesting. Perhaps the low starting dose gave me instant tolerance, and a big old rip taken all at once would be more telling. I'm in no hurry, though. It reminded me too much of my second 5-MeO-PiPT experience, which felt too much like a weird serotonin releaser and not enough like a psychedelic. I'm a bit of a weirdo, but seems like in my body, I get the dissociation and emotionality of the propyls, but mostly the empty, numb, shrug of the isopropyls. I think I'm going to move on from them for now.

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Thanks for the report. Bummer that it seems to not agree with you. I wonder if it's your individual chemistry, or if it is due to the compound being poorly synthed/impure? The few reports on PiPT from before this recent batch have seemed to be uniformly glowing.

I intend to obtain this, as well as 4-HO-PiPT and 5-MeO-PiPT, sometime soon, and I'll give them a shot then and report on them.
 
Thanks for the report. Bummer that it seems to not agree with you. I wonder if it's your individual chemistry, or if it is due to the compound being poorly synthed/impure? The few reports on PiPT from before this recent batch have seemed to be uniformly glowing.

I intend to obtain this, as well as 4-HO-PiPT and 5-MeO-PiPT, sometime soon, and I'll give them a shot then and report on them.
Tough to say. There really weren't many reports prior to this, and at least two of them were from the same person. I kind of doubt that impurities would impact my experience all that much. I suspect that either (a) my recepterome phenotype is a little odd and doesn't play well with these materials, or (b) they're basically duds. I'm inclined to suspect that the latter may be slightly more likely. For instance, I may not like 4-HO-MiPT, but I can recognize that it's a freaking cool molecule that others would appreciate. Same goes for N,N-DPT. I didn't get much of a glimmer of that with N,N-PiPT or 5-MeO-PiPT, but I could see people finding 4-HO-PiPT interesting and unique.

The only thing that makes me think there's a reasonable chance that it could just be me is its weird similarity to the way serotonin releasers make me feel. Obviously other people really like that feeling, so if that's the case other people might also love the sensations from these two.
 
You do seem to react unusually to a variety of things. Well, I'm still planning to obtain some of the PiPTs to try sometime, but I must admit they have gone down a bit on my priority list.
 
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