I have seen a doctor about my blood pressure several times and it's being monitored. I have another appointment soon to see if it has improved at all and if not we will be discussing medications.
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Stimulants My head is going to explode
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I have seen a doctor about my blood pressure several times and it's being monitored. I have another appointment soon to see if it has improved at all and if not we will be discussing medications.
ErgicMergic
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I would recommend drinking more water, at least a gallon over a day for amphetamine users. You have hypotension, and dehydration can exacerbate that by causing orthostatic hypotension. Also, dehydration causes vasoconstriction, and amphetamines are already vasoconstrictive enough as they are. The worse your vasoconstriction, the worse your hypotension, it's all related...
I don't see why you aren't drinking more water, you really have no reason not to. Just don't drink ridiculous amounts, and don't drink too much at once. A glass (8 oz) of water every 15 minutes works pretty well. What's a few extra trips to the bathroom, when dehydration is a lot more common that overhydration. Just don't get hyponatremia by pounding gallons of water non-stop.
I don't see why you aren't drinking more water, you really have no reason not to. Just don't drink ridiculous amounts, and don't drink too much at once. A glass (8 oz) of water every 15 minutes works pretty well. What's a few extra trips to the bathroom, when dehydration is a lot more common that overhydration. Just don't get hyponatremia by pounding gallons of water non-stop.
There are 128 ounces in a gallon. Lets assume that I drink only water/powerade/milk and don't drink any coffee or tea or iced tea (which I usually do). I am already drinking 120oz per day. I already have to force down the amount of water I drink now. My doctor knows what my fluid intake is, and he knows about my amphetamine use, and he is ok with the amount I am drinking. He still wants me to increase my sodium intake, which I have been doing slowly, and we are hoping that that will help bring my bp up. Like I said, I have another appointment soon.
Thanks for the concern though
http://www.uptodate.com/contents/nsaids-and-acetaminophen-effects-on-blood-pressure-and-hypertension
So basically your bp will go up if you take naproxen...
missmeyet?
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Just wanted to say ibuprofen works the best for me for a headahe like that, at least out of the options given. It helps but probably only brings it down a notch. I had read that people with severe headaches sometimes use ice directly on their head to help. I'm not a big fan of using ice on my body (almost always heat for chronic issues for me) but a couple of days ago I had one of the worse headaches ever. It too was directly behind my eye, one side of my head and down in the occipital area..it was throbbing also. Kinda like a migraine, tension and sinus headache all rolled into one. I placed a heating pad on my neck area and placed ice packs on my jead, eye and face (2 ice packs, rotated them around to different areas when they became a little uncomfortable from the cold).
Anyway, like I said I smirked when I read about using ice for a headache but now I am definitely a firm believer. It did not totally get rid of it but it definitely numbed the pain quite a bit. It might be worth a shot next time you get a migraine or any other severe headache.
Anyway, like I said I smirked when I read about using ice for a headache but now I am definitely a firm believer. It did not totally get rid of it but it definitely numbed the pain quite a bit. It might be worth a shot next time you get a migraine or any other severe headache.
Ksa
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The medication you quoted is so weak it shouldn't be sold on a pharmacy counter but more in the spices/salt section of the store. Your best bet is 500mg ibuprofen, 50mg caffeine and a tremendous effort to fall asleep to potentiate it. I use metamizole for migraines whenever I don't want to use codeine or zolimitriptan.
As for the source of the migraine/headache, I believe it's because the meth dose you took was too low. Don't smoke it. If the powder was cut to shit and you smoked it on top of all, you got the equivalent of 2-5mg of Dexedrine out of it which reproducibly causes a migraine to ADHD users who take it after a tolerance break. Relapses are not low-dose friendly. Low doses of amphetamines are known to cause migraines on relapses. This is my guess, you took too little. I know that, as you smoke it and start getting a headache, the tendency is to stop but it's not a good idea, if you had kept going the headache would have worstened at first and then slowly worn off, and probably would have stayed off.
You can't tell from your first relapse dose, like I said, it;s known to trigger headaches in low dose, but if the second/third time you try you still get a headache at the front of your face, it means your receptors are probably worn to shit, which can mean your at the end of the rope in terms of brain chemistry, but I doubt this will happen, it's usually ok in second or third dose.
Also, the fact that your bp is so low might indicate that you are at the end of the rope in terms of cardiac output. Did you get your heart checked? You could get the tension up with meth/coffee etc. but I don't know if in your case, pushing it will not break it, I'm not a doctor but it looks fucking weak.
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I get this headache after a couple of days, even if I do sleep and eat. I take a lortab or tylonal, whatever I have. A few times when the pain is behind my eye...it turns into the most painful migrane headache known to man. When that happens for me....I either take some morphine; If I dont have morphine...I go to the ER and they'll give me a shot of morphine or diladed for the migrane. Usually a script for like 10 tabs also. Best of luck.
littlepenguin
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this is so ridiculous, I can't believe my eyeballs.
naproxen isn't weak, and certainly should not be sold in the spice/salt section of a store.
just because you don't prefer naproxen, doesn't mean that you should try and pass off blatantly incorrect "information" about it.
Ibuprofen belongs to the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), and relieves pain mainly by minimizing the production of prostaglandins. Although comparatively naproxen vs ibuprofen are similar in the way that they reduce pain, ibuprofen is more effective for people that have gastro-intestinal issues. If you have ulcers, acid reflux, or any other intestinal disorder, ibuprofen may be the best product to reduce the pain caused by inflammation.
Belonging to the same type of medication-NSAIDs - naproxen is considered the best anti-inflammatory. For all of the chronic and acute pains that are attributed to inflammation such as arthritis, aches and sprains, sunburns, and menstrual cramps, naproxen edges out the competition.
When you compare naproxen vs ibuprofen, the major difference tends to rest on the fact that the over the counter comparable medications tend to last about twice as long. With this greater length of effectiveness also comes a greater chance of intestinal distress.
If you need medication that will go easy on your gastro-intestinal tract, while still relieving your pain due to inflammation than ibuprofen is a great candidate. If, however, your intestinal tract is in good working order and you would like longer acting relief than taking a dosage of naproxen will be of most benefit. The compared differences of naproxen vs ibuprofen may be minor, but there are marked differences that could be instrumental in reducing the side effects, especially if you suffer from any sort of digestive distress.
she already said that she gets 6-8 hours of sleep per night, that she has had migraines since she was 14, and this particular headache was not as bad as a typical migraine for her.
Use of metamizole is banned in many countries, including the U.S., Sweden, Japan and Australia, and is considered justified only for the relief of severe pain where no alternative is available. I'm assuming that the OP is from the US, even if she's not, this drug is completely unnecessary and out of the question, especially in this specific situation.
Codeine is also way off base, and zolimitriptan is a prescription drug for treating migraines, and I believe I just went over the fact that she said that she was not experiencing a migraine, has been familiar with them since she was 14, and has likely discussed this with her doctor, who has likely prescribed her a medication for this condition (or not?) doesn't matter - unless you just felt like informing all of us what potpourri of drugs you like to take when you experience a migraine/headache, this recommendation is way off base as well.
What...the...fffffffff....
just out of curiosity...did you even read what the OP wrote? cuz uh, well yeah...just wondering. :::scratches head:::
She said that she has been CLEAN AND SOBER from methamphetamine for SIX YEARS. She has been using again, near daily, for approximately the past two months. she states that her tolerance is already high, and her use doesn't much get her high anymore, but is more 'maintenance.' Since the two months of relapse, she says that this is the first time she has experienced this headache.
How can you POSSIBLY conclude that "redoses are not low-dose friendly"? Especially after SIX YEARS of sobriety???
I was sober for 8 years from methamphetamine before I decided to use again, and you can bet that when I first picked up, 0.20 grams was lasting me damn near a WEEK, whereas now, over two years later of daily use, 0.20 grams is generally my daily use. Usually a little less, rarely a little more.
I could maybe see your statement having some truth in it if you were referencing somebody who had only taken a "tolerance break" (which, this CLEARLY was not a tolerance break) for a few days to a few weeks, but unless she had outrageous and significant and unusual long term damage from her first go-around with methamphetamine, it is very very likely that in the past six years, her brain has returned itself to 'normal' or pretty damn close to normal functioning (in reference to the potential neurological damage that can be caused by methamphetamine.)
All that aside, she stated that she went back to her provider and exchanged the stuff that was causing her headaches with a different batch, and said that it would appear that this new batch doesn't seem to cause the same negative effects, which would mean that she was probably right in the first place in stating that it was likely something that the methamphetamine was cut with that was causing her headaches.
You can't presume that her "powder was cut to shit" or even take a stab at how much she smoked was the "equivalent of 2-5mg dexedrine," and what does this have to do with ADHD at all, when she never even mentioned that she does or does not have ADHD, and does not take dexedrine?
...good golly, miss molly....maybe take the time to read what the OP wrote before replying?? just a suggestion...
Ksa
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cool story bro
You blind...read topic title.
Low doses of d-amphetamine/m-amphetamine are known to cause headache/migraines. Cutting agent causing a migraine...like what? Name it...what can cause a migraine? Migrenol? Lol.
Powder was probably very weak/cut. Ty for e-rage essay, feeling flattered xD
littlepenguin
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I am not your brother; that's impossible considering I am a female...
"I blind." - another brilliant assumption and diagnosis from Ksa.
okay, okay...let's read the topic title. Here goes:
my - head - is - going - to - explode
.............................k?
don't really see the word "migraine" anywhere in there, maybe you could give a "bro" a little help and point it out?
the word "migraine" wasn't used in this thread until medicinecabinet mentioned it, to which the OP replied:
what's a low dose considered as? for whom? I don't get headaches from what I consider to be a low dose of methamphetamine.
as for a cut - MSM is the most popular cut used in production and distribution of methamphetamine, and certainly, it does have the potential to render a headache.
as for migraines or cuts that cause migraines? I have no idea, nor is it really applicable to this thread, since I think I showed above that migraines were not the subject matter of this thread.
but...since you mentioned it....
migraines may be caused by changes in the brainstem and its interactions with the trigeminal nerve, a major pain pathway.
imbalances in brain chemicals (including serotonin) also may be involved.
Serotonin levels drop during migraine attacks. This may cause your trigeminal system to release neuropeptides, which travel to the brain's outer covering, resulting in headache pain.
SO...
since methamphetamine is known to release some serotonin in the brain...couldn't one come to a conclusion that instead of causing a migraine, methamphetamine could actually help to relieve a migraine?
hmmm...
what's "e-rage?" is that like road rage? well, I can assure you that I'm not leaning out of my e-window giving you the e-finger while screaming "GO SUCK A BAG OF E-DICKS, ASSHAT!!"
and the flattery that you're feeling shouldn't be from my direction, because that's definitely not what I was shooting for. but, go with it if you must.
Ksa
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I already stated in this topic that a low dose of meth is the equivalent of 2-5mg of dexedrine. Write it down if you can't remember.
What you took has a big half-life if you're still raged the next day lol I think you took Migrenol-PMS Contin.
Don't get mad, I just want to be your friend
missmeyet?
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The point is, KSA, the OP specifically stated that this was not a migraine and I think littlepenguin was saying you were certainly making a lot of assumptions.! ![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
twotoomany
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You guys realize this thread is over a year old, right?
Ksa
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Ok so if it's not a migraine, and the OP said "My head is going to explode"...then the other option is that the OP has an explosive device attached to his/her head and, voluntarly or involuntarly, is going to trigger the device. Is it not right? The OP doesn't have a migraine and his/her head is going to explode...what do you make of it? You tell me. Try this, dial 911 and tell the operator that someone's head is going to explode but doesn't have a migraine, see who comes, ambulance or SWAT.
you were certainly making a lot of assumptions.!
I'm an engineer, assumptions is what I make for a living.
Love those lips though xD
missmeyet?
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I thought it looked like on the 8th of this month someone asked a question that pertained to the original (year old) post and that that question had been merged with the older one.
Ksa
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There are no studies, people don't spend money to find out things like this but I can give you examples:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=172793
In the above example, the OP redosed a low dose of Adderall afraid that he/she might not be able to sleep. The low dose caused a migraine and the user thought it was the combination with tramadol.
http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48248
Above is another user who got prescribed Adderall doses that are too low. As usual, the insufficient dose caused a migraine.
There's 2 known ways to trigger a migraine with amphetamines:
1) Take a low dose the first time (2-5mg dex equivalent)
2) Redose a low dose after an adequate dose. For example, taking 3mgIR, 4 hours after taking 10mgIR.
I rarely say things without basis. Low doses can trigger a migraine, and, if this is the case, then a bigger dose of the stimulant (4x more) is the BEST painkiller. The BEST:
It's as good as IV Dilaudid, because it goes to the root of the problem and solves the imbalance.
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littlepenguin
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littlepenguin said:
ksa said:
...just because a point you're trying to pass off as a fact has no evidence backing it up does not make it true or right.
but I do appreciate you refuting facts I've already pointed out, like how methamphetamine is an excellent pain reliever.
I am quickly finding that it is mostly pointless to have an intelligent discussion about a topic at hand when the person you're trying to discuss said topic with doesn't appear to bother to read the initial posts from the OP or...much of any posts following it - which is really too bad, because I think this stuff is very interesting to learn about and discuss, but it's impossible to do when people choose to share things that aren't factual or refuted.
ksa said:
my...that's an awful lot of extra schooling to, in the end, only be making assumptions.
...and don't assume, that just makes an ass out of u and me.
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Ksa
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What intelligent discussion? This one? Or:
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