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My experience and meaning I've found.

Also I do believe people can experience the same experiences that you have had even without living them. Let me explain when you have an experience and live it, you gain wisdom from it and carry the wisdom with you as memory. Now when you explain this memory/wisdom to someone who wants to know about it and give them all the details you can, if their imagination and focus is strong enough they will be able to visualize and pretty much feel exactly what you have felt just from how you expressed it. This can only work from the person who has the wisdom to someone new, because the person you are telling it to will most likely have questions in order to fully get your experience. Once you answer all of their questions up to the point that it satisfies their desires to fully understand you, they can take from your wisdom every single thing you have learned and gained and all the meaning in it. Now if that person tries to tell someone else about your wisdom/memory/story it won't work because the 3rd person will have questions that are different then the 2nd persons questions and the 2nd person won't have the answers without the wisdom. The 2nd person only has the experience.

This has been true so far form my experiences and now you know the power of story telling to those who want to hear your story!
 
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How can opposites be the same, if one side has a vastly higher energy level/vibration then the other?
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I don't know anything about energy levels and vibrations. From my perspective (ie. Buddhist/Animist/???), everything is a part of one large system.

ziggo said:
How can opposites be the same, if one side has a vastly higher energy level/vibration then the other?

If you've had your heart broken in the past it's very hard to be able to reopen your heart to the amount of love you once did, when that openness and trust with your most vulnerable part of you (the heart) has been betrayed by another because they didn't want to get theirs hurt first perhaps? With the right person you won't ever even THINK anything negative about each other and of each others way of the heart, much less DO to cause hurt. You'll both simply know and understand how to communicate well enough to always have the thrill, rush, excitement, and joy of just being with each other/near each other/being a thought of yourself to your partner when your not near each other. All of these things you can be to one another will be very positive strong highs, stronger then any drug is capable of in this lifetime I'm afraid my intuition tells me.

You maintain your spirituality with a soul mate because this is the final step to completing your spiritual journey, it is the merging of both of your spirits into one whole.
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I think what you're saying is idealistic and works in a vacuum, but in the real world, with real people, this relationship advice/soul-mate perspective isn't practical. The spiritual journey, to me, has nothing to do with finding a soul-mate; it certainly isn't the highest attainment one can hope to achieve along the way.

Anyway, there's little sense in me coming back and saying, 'I don't agree,' over and over. If somebody else can get something from what you're saying, great.
 
Damn I must live in one big vacuum because all this mumbo-jumbo has been working perfectly for me. Yeah all I want is even for one person to get a little something positive out of what I posted. What a joy ;)
 
Searching is the opposite of meaning.

A search for meaning double negates. Searching for a reason not to search is meaningless.

Meaning is in fear and desire.

It's time to head straight toward fear, and run away from desire.

Fear helps, desire deludes.

Desire keeps you stuck, fear makes you free.

Fear is utterly meaningful.

Desire is utterly meaningless.

Desire is pulling me. Nonsense.

I'm pushing away fear.

I'm doing it.

Nothing is pulling me anywhere.

There's nothing in the future to pull me toward it.

And everything in the past.
 
Dedbeet, after reading most of your recent posts it seems to me that you are no longer investing in anything. You believe yourself to be the same as me, and everyone else? This is partly true, as we all came to be from the same consciousness. But it is false as well because we have our own individual free will that makes us control our own path, and no one can choose this for us.

You seem to be investing all your positive and negative thoughts/emotions into only being neutral. From what I know this will simply not take you anywhere, you'll stay the same forever. In order to spiritually evolve or devolve you must invest in either the positive or negative, which ever one gains more energy inside of you is which way you are currently changing your spirit. You are stuck in the duality of believing everything positive/negative are simple opposites with the same outcomes but different paths, so why go down a path at all? You must if you wish to change, and change is the basis of this universe. If you want to feel/possess more energy simply choose positive, if you want to lose your energy invest in the negative. If you are perfectly happy and content where you are in life choose nothing but neutral until you get bored of that feeling.

It's up to you. Who are you? well you're not the mind-made mask that is your ego, you are most certainly your own consciousness and awareness.
 
Yes I also wondered if dedbeet mostly posted on drugs or sober. Myself I have learned most of my thoughts and theories from experience, mostly sober as those experiences I keep the memories of vividly. Although drug use has allowed me to combine and distort my previous ideas, the ideas themselves are only posted when I'm sure I've thought of them in the sober state long enough to feel they are solid, drug induced or not.
 
I didnt read all these threads but one thing I disagreed with is that relationships are detrimental to spiritual realization or development. I just toally disagree I think relationship can be a major way to wake up... the other person reflects to you where youre actually at, where your still stuck, where you still hold, where you close off, where you still get angry. Being this intimate with someone reveals sticking points, flaws, places where you dont show up. Its work to develop a life long relationship. As far as the soul mate thing thats blah blah I dont believe it at all. Ive had deep relationships with quite a few girls.... I could of said they were all soul mates... each one was beautiful, interesting, funny, loveable.... I cant pick and choose and say THAT IS THE ONE she IS MINE. It seems so rediculous to think. Honestly I think we are all one.... as the Buddhists put it were all inter-dependent ... were not separate from eachother... I also think everything is beautiful so the idea of one person more beautiful more right to you makes me think otherwise. Its like saying a certain tree is my soul mate.... as if one thing is more beautiful than the rest. I think when you really get into that place inside yourself all things are beautiful, you can sense an underlying unity to all things. anyway ya thats my thoughts

At the same time.... each girl ive been with is so unique our relationship, the flavor of that person (not literal taste :P) is so individual, there is so much to love in that specific person.
 
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Ya but if you are with only one person for the rest of your life, you won't be able to be with another person at the same time. Doesn't that make that person your soul mate? Even if you don't know until the end of your life.

The amount you love yourself is the amount someone else can love you. If you have areas you don't love yourself in, and you let your partner know of these areas, they can then hurt you by utilizing these perceived defects against you. Or they can help you to love yourself in these areas. The secret is once you love yourself completely and honestly, NOTHING can cause you pain.
 
ziggo said:
If you have areas you don't love yourself in, and you let your partner know of these areas, they can then hurt you by utilizing these perceived defects against you. Or they can help you to love yourself in these areas. The secret is once you love yourself completely and honestly, NOTHING can cause you pain.
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Beautiful.
I guess thats how we figure out when a person is right for us.
It all depends on what they do with our weakened areas.
To exploit by harming is evil.
To exploit by healing is good.
 
I dont agree in absolutes then NOTHING can cause you pain, I never think explanations or theories of anything really amount to much when it comes to my experience. To me it seems more like things happen, spontaneous arising of life... i cant really say much. Its not that im not aware and present... but I dont have many theories about life... seriously its just the mysterious arising and passing away of thoughts, sensations, memories, laughter, joy, sadness.... all of it people.... food... parties just coming and going but all these complex rules and ways of seeing I never quite agree. If this then that its just kind of like look at the play of existance arise. Thats why a lot of zen teachers, and mystics refuse to speculate... just a utter stillness and presence arises from them.
 
Nature n the universe follow no laws.
The occurences happen the way they happen only because there is no need for it to change.
When there is need to change, evolution occurs.
 
>-----Hmmm... meaning....... oh, there was some.......wait....
,,,,,, heavy meaning ...... .... .... .... twinge of meaning .....
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........woah, meaningful! .....l ... ..
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.............that was meaningful...................................>

Seems to be the best way.... meaning as it goes along. What's it gonna do finding the overall answer, anyway? I'm not convinced there is one. I say find meaning in the journey.
 
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ziggo said:
The amount you love yourself is the amount someone else can love you. If you have areas you don't love yourself in, and you let your partner know of these areas, they can then hurt you by utilizing these perceived defects against you. Or they can help you to love yourself in these areas. The secret is once you love yourself completely and honestly, NOTHING can cause you pain.
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A lot of folks give too much of their time/attention to others... cutting back probably helps one take more time for oneself, too. A lot of peeps I've met would do better with less help anyway IMO... the best teacher is life, and often helping people who are "please help" types puts them into a bigger dependency. Often the "tough love" solution to the search for help, but life has to bring that about...

P.S. I kind of disagree that love is the answer to suffering. One has to go deeper and look at desire and fear. Fear is not as difficult as it seems -- it's a matter of timing. The "worst feeling" emotions often feel that way because of their opposites. Stop desiring so much, and fear lessens. Seek happiness less, and there's less sadness. The answer is not in "more". It's in the opposites, and noticing that seeking one, you get the other. Search for bliss, and pain will come along with it. And they're rarely missed. If happiness/sadness lessened, you wouldn't feel sad about it. If joy and sorrow came together, you wouldn't sorrow over lost times. Amd so forth...

P.S. at the end when you said "Nothing can cause you pain" -- watch the "nothing". "No thing". Just means not a single thing. But it's a "something" in a way, and you don't want it causing any pain ;).
 
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oh Dedbeet... you're so right, yet you aren't so right for BL.

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oh Dedbeet... you're so right, yet you aren't so right for BL.

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Why's that? Not stuck on a certain kind of talk... can talk about whatever...

P.S. if it had anything to do with substances & people looking for easier answers, I wouldn't necessarily agree. Maybe it was the wording, but like with fear -- if you look at desire along with it, you've got the key to it. Can't deal with them alone, they come in pairs. Fwiw, that's what makes it finally possible, if you've looked at a single side before. Looking at both sides.

Also not talking about elimination -- I'm talking about getting them out of the mainstream of life, so they don't drive one's life. There's no need to be rid of anything.
 
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