My conclusions after researching 4-HO-MET

[Medevilx]

Hi everybody!

I know every experience with substances are totally subjective, though some similarities are always shared.

Said this, after several experiments with Metocin (4-HO-MET) from 10mg to 50mg, that I documented and recorded for later analysis and review, here are some conclusions:

4-HO-MET is a psychedelic that is “easy” to handle because the headspace, mindfucking, or whatever other word you wanna use is very light or almost unnoticeable.

Seems like I’m not very reactive to Tryptamines. Until I did 30mg, I couldn’t feel any effects besides some morphing visuals and little enhanced colors.

Most of my experiments ended vaping cannabis after 1 hour peaking, since the effects were mild. This is where the substance provided a very nice synergy with cannabis. Very nice headspace, euphoria, music enhancement, very introspective. I’d say more like shrooms or LSD headspace, but warmer and easier to handle.

I thought that cannabis was boosting the effects of 4-HO-MET, and that effect could be achieved with higher doses without cannabis, but as far as my experiments have gone, this is not true.

Having tried what are considered strong doses, up to 50mg, I find 4-HO-MET hollow in terms of introspection, turning the default cognitive thinking off or life changing experiences.

I really believe that 4-HO-MET provides a nice baseline to boost the effects of cannabis, making a really great combo with doses from 20mg to 40mg and up to 0.5gr of lets say a medium potency (THC) cannabis. Up from that, the 4-HO-MET + cannabis has a less manageable and predictable effect, and can cause little anxiety. But within these doses, the combo is a unique experience. It feels like if the cannabis effects were really boosted, and I really love cannabis for its psychedelic potential.



Here is part of the 40mg+cannabis first trip report:



“I tried 40mg of 4-HO-MET today. At this dosage, I can have a +++ experience, but nothing overwhelming. I can feel the body load, experiment some OEV’s if I stare at some patterns, and feel some euphoria, definitely can feel the tryptamine effect at this dose. Since the effects weren’t that impressive, I went to the beach I tried to push the experience with cannabis, as I’ve done before in my other 4-HO-MET experiments.. Vaped 0.25g of cannabis around 1 hour and 30 minutes after the intake, when the come up was over and I felt I was stable peaking.



This time I could feel the effects really strong. Total 3D OEV’s (no CEV’s), for the first time in my life, the music I was hearing was affected by time hallucination. I was listening to some downtempo chill electronic and, suddenly, the music became reeeeeeally slow, same pitch, but really slow, and then, it accelerated the speed little by little, like if times was stretching from slow to fast and then slow again. When I noticed that, I tried to keep the beat with my foot, and then the music came to normal. Also, some pitch changes. At that time, looking at the shoreline , the waves seemed to go backguards, and the water looked like shinning gold and rainbow reflections.



I tried to meditate and dive inside my mind with my eyes closed, finding very insightful thoughts. I could feel my mind was going at his own, and totally see how my ego and my thoughts construct myself, as well as some heuristics that are deeply rooted in my mind. There was some more people on the beach and, though no anxiety at all, they disturbed my focus on diving in my mind when my eyes were open, but the views and the colors of the beach were so beautiful I couldn’t help but look. Had an amazing walk along the shoreline, and felt really great. It was a little hard to coordinate movements, but I was able to take my phone, change music, etc. At sometimes I felt as if I didn’t know who I am, but with little effort I was back to myself. But I guess that, at that time, I couldn’t interact correctly with other people, that’s for sure.



I guess I’m getting where I want to go, exploring new boundaries. Anyway, the 40mg of 4-HO-MET were totally manageable, and I want to know if 50mg will take me to the same place than the 40mg+the weed did.”



As I said, I tried 50mg and, though I can feel bigger effects from the 4-HO-MET, it doesn’t take me where the 20mg (or 30/40mg) plus cannabis took me, specially on the headspace.



The body load with 50mg was more noticeable, little more anxiety, I was profusely sweating and could feel that the effects of 4-HO-MET at 50mg were not improving the headspace, so I guess I’ll not be pushing to 60mg.



In my psychonaut journey, I’m more interested in headspace, dive into my mind d and find more about me and my consciousness, and 4-HO-MET doesn’t feel like the right tool….unless you combine it with cannabis. The combo is really interesting, and guess it can provide a very nice headspace and totally manageable. I guess I will be saving my 4-HO-MET stash for tripping at 30mg and adding some cannabis to get me where I want to go.



For reference with other substances, I can compare to LSD (1V-LSD, but I’m considering all analogues as LSD), and 150mcg (like 120mcg of LSD 25) provides similar headspace than 20mg of 4-HO-MET + 0.25g of cannabis.



With LSD you can feel the emotional and headspace qualities very clear, with no cannabis involved. Indeed, mixing LSD with cannabis can be overwhelming, causing anxiety and boosting the LSD effects A LOT.



Hope this helps to anyone interested in this substance, I’d love to hear your inputs and discuss your opinions.

 

[iom]

I don't have experience with 4-HO-MET so don't have much to say for myself, and I have the opposite problem with tryptamines as you. Low doses hit me very hard and with a lot more of the kind of body issues you describe for your 50 mg 4-HO-MET dose. I get along far better with phenethylamines, most of which are unfortunately much harder to come by these days.

Good luck with your next experiments, presumably with 1V-LSD.

 

[Oldman Liver]

Hi everybody!

I know every experience with substances are totally subjective, though some similarities are always shared.

Said this, after several experiments with Metocin (4-HO-MET) from 10mg to 50mg, that I documented and recorded for later analysis and review, here are some conclusions:

4-HO-MET is a psychedelic that is “easy” to handle because the headspace, mindfucking, or whatever other word you wanna use is very light or almost unnoticeable.

Seems like I’m not very reactive to Tryptamines. Until I did 30mg, I couldn’t feel any effects besides some morphing visuals and little enhanced colors.

Most of my experiments ended vaping cannabis after 1 hour peaking, since the effects were mild. This is where the substance provided a very nice synergy with cannabis. Very nice headspace, euphoria, music enhancement, very introspective. I’d say more like shrooms or LSD headspace, but warmer and easier to handle.

I thought that cannabis was boosting the effects of 4-HO-MET, and that effect could be achieved with higher doses without cannabis, but as far as my experiments have gone, this is not true.

Having tried what are considered strong doses, up to 50mg, I find 4-HO-MET hollow in terms of introspection, turning the default cognitive thinking off or life changing experiences.

I really believe that 4-HO-MET provides a nice baseline to boost the effects of cannabis, making a really great combo with doses from 20mg to 40mg and up to 0.5gr of lets say a medium potency (THC) cannabis. Up from that, the 4-HO-MET + cannabis has a less manageable and predictable effect, and can cause little anxiety. But within these doses, the combo is a unique experience. It feels like if the cannabis effects were really boosted, and I really love cannabis for its psychedelic potential.



Here is part of the 40mg+cannabis first trip report:



“I tried 40mg of 4-HO-MET today. At this dosage, I can have a +++ experience, but nothing overwhelming. I can feel the body load, experiment some OEV’s if I stare at some patterns, and feel some euphoria, definitely can feel the tryptamine effect at this dose. Since the effects weren’t that impressive, I went to the beach I tried to push the experience with cannabis, as I’ve done before in my other 4-HO-MET experiments.. Vaped 0.25g of cannabis around 1 hour and 30 minutes after the intake, when the come up was over and I felt I was stable peaking.



This time I could feel the effects really strong. Total 3D OEV’s (no CEV’s), for the first time in my life, the music I was hearing was affected by time hallucination. I was listening to some downtempo chill electronic and, suddenly, the music became reeeeeeally slow, same pitch, but really slow, and then, it accelerated the speed little by little, like if times was stretching from slow to fast and then slow again. When I noticed that, I tried to keep the beat with my foot, and then the music came to normal. Also, some pitch changes. At that time, looking at the shoreline , the waves seemed to go backguards, and the water looked like shinning gold and rainbow reflections.



I tried to meditate and dive inside my mind with my eyes closed, finding very insightful thoughts. I could feel my mind was going at his own, and totally see how my ego and my thoughts construct myself, as well as some heuristics that are deeply rooted in my mind. There was some more people on the beach and, though no anxiety at all, they disturbed my focus on diving in my mind when my eyes were open, but the views and the colors of the beach were so beautiful I couldn’t help but look. Had an amazing walk along the shoreline, and felt really great. It was a little hard to coordinate movements, but I was able to take my phone, change music, etc. At sometimes I felt as if I didn’t know who I am, but with little effort I was back to myself. But I guess that, at that time, I couldn’t interact correctly with other people, that’s for sure.



I guess I’m getting where I want to go, exploring new boundaries. Anyway, the 40mg of 4-HO-MET were totally manageable, and I want to know if 50mg will take me to the same place than the 40mg+the weed did.”



As I said, I tried 50mg and, though I can feel bigger effects from the 4-HO-MET, it doesn’t take me where the 20mg (or 30/40mg) plus cannabis took me, specially on the headspace.



The body load with 50mg was more noticeable, little more anxiety, I was profusely sweating and could feel that the effects of 4-HO-MET at 50mg were not improving the headspace, so I guess I’ll not be pushing to 60mg.



In my psychonaut journey, I’m more interested in headspace, dive into my mind d and find more about me and my consciousness, and 4-HO-MET doesn’t feel like the right tool….unless you combine it with cannabis. The combo is really interesting, and guess it can provide a very nice headspace and totally manageable. I guess I will be saving my 4-HO-MET stash for tripping at 30mg and adding some cannabis to get me where I want to go.



For reference with other substances, I can compare to LSD (1V-LSD, but I’m considering all analogues as LSD), and 150mcg (like 120mcg of LSD 25) provides similar headspace than 20mg of 4-HO-MET + 0.25g of cannabis.



With LSD you can feel the emotional and headspace qualities very clear, with no cannabis involved. Indeed, mixing LSD with cannabis can be overwhelming, causing anxiety and boosting the LSD effects A LOT.



Hope this helps to anyone interested in this substance, I’d love to hear your inputs and discuss your opinions.

Very good idea to investigate cannabis and 4-HO-MET taken together. I have not taken 4-HO-MET before, but from all of the reports I have read it sounds like something I would like to explore given the chance. Cannabis seems to be quite psychedelic when you first begin using it, then as many people report, those first times were the best and can't be recaptured. I quit smoking cannabis for 38 years, then wanted to explore it for pain management and insomnia and initially while it was a bit psychedelic compared to now, it was nothing like the full 3d worlds I could enter by lying down and closing my eyes as when i was a teenager and had first started smoking it.

So, maybe 4-HO-MET and cannabis would be the answer. I really love cannabis for the headspace and what it does for music appreciation, so one can easily imagine cannabis would be the perfect way to add a pinch of headspace to your 4-HO-MET experience. Yes, cannabis is best for music I think, it isn't exactly psychedelic but maybe it is an auditory psychedelic and ceratinly there is always usually a very interesting headspace provided you don;t smoke it all the time. I really don't enjoy jazz so much as I do when I have smoked some pot, it really seems jazz was made for pot heads and of course most other music becomes really quite incredible when you are stoned on good pot. I am sure Indian classical music was influenced cannabis, that music aslo becomes so much more fully dimensional and not quite so irritating as it can be when sober. I need to travel to Holland and hang out for awhile with some cannabis and 4-HO-MET. In my country they put some people to death for possession of even a small amount of any recreational substance or put you in the kind of prison where you would prefer the death penalty, so it is not worth it to me, better to go to Holland where they'd only make you pay some kind of fine. I may not get around to doing that for awhile, but your idea seems so good to me, I don't think i will forget about it. Thanks for sharing with us, much appreciated.

I like it too because of the tryptamines and pot thing, I have only had very good experiences with combining mushrooms and pot, actually some of the most incredible visionary, revelatory drug experiences I have ever had. I think some would get freaked out, I would not recommend mushrooms and pot to most people, but I can imagine maybe 4-HO-MET and pot would be a less challenging way to re-enter those mushroom pot dimensions. And I agree, just taking more mushrooms without the pot, is not the same thing. And also I must say I really have no desire to smoke DMT, its ounds like a total hassle, not to mention really unbalancing to be abruptly jerked around between realities so quickly. I have smoked DMT once, perhaps I did not get a good hit, I really enjoyed it had very clear and comical visions but I was still very clearly in the room where i smoked it, not in some other dimension as many report. But for that reason, mushrooms and pot at good medium to high dosages leaving little to be desired, ie, average potency mushrooms at 4 grams and 2-3 good bong hits of good quality pot, holy crap! What the hell, what more do you want, dood?

I guess too that English is not your first language so in case you wanted to clarify your post, I had some slight uncertainties about your meaning at som epoints in your report, so here are my questions and comments here, sorry i am an English teacher of many years, so I cannot control this part of me. Your English is very good but a few things you wrote were not clear and I really wanted to be sure what you were saying:

1. "Having tried what are considered strong doses, up to 50mg, I find 4-HO-MET hollow in terms of introspection, turning the default cognitive thinking off or life changing experiences."
I wonder what turning ones cognitive thinking off means. Do you mean you are compltetely without any thoughts when you take 4-HO-MET? That in itself sounds like a very diffcult trip experience. I think you mean it turns off the ability to have any deep insights. And then you added something about life changing experiences. I think you mean that because the ability to have profound insight completely disappears under the influence of 4-HO-MET, that perhaps you become just kind of a silly hedonistic hallucinating partier or something under its influence that 4HO-MET is not really an ideal psychedelic and further to that one cannot expect to have really profound life changing experiences from 4HO-MET. But I am just guessing that is your meaning.

2. "Up from that, the 4-HO-MET + cannabis has a less manageable and predictable effect, and can cause little anxiety."

I think you mean it can cause a little anxiety, not little anxiety. A little anxiety suggests there is some anxiety, not very much, but that perhaps one should take note and think again about boosting dosages to higher levels. If you say it produces little anxiety, that suggests almost no anxiety or perhaps even none, and that in any case it doesn't matter and one can boost their doses more and more without any concern. To say it produces little anxiety suggests the issue is too trivial and we should not waste our time worrying about it. So I think you mean a little.

 

[MedicinalUser247]

You know what would really blow your mind ? 5-Methoxytryptamine.

 

[Medevilx]

Very good idea to investigate cannabis and 4-HO-MET taken together. I have not taken 4-HO-MET before, but from all of the reports I have read it sounds like something I would like to explore given the chance. Cannabis seems to be quite psychedelic when you first begin using it, then as many people report, those first times were the best and can't be recaptured. I quit smoking cannabis for 38 years, then wanted to explore it for pain management and insomnia and initially while it was a bit psychedelic compared to now, it was nothing like the full 3d worlds I could enter by lying down and closing my eyes as when i was a teenager and had first started smoking it.

So, maybe 4-HO-MET and cannabis would be the answer. I really love cannabis for the headspace and what it does for music appreciation, so one can easily imagine cannabis would be the perfect way to add a pinch of headspace to your 4-HO-MET experience. Yes, cannabis is best for music I think, it isn't exactly psychedelic but maybe it is an auditory psychedelic and ceratinly there is always usually a very interesting headspace provided you don;t smoke it all the time. I really don't enjoy jazz so much as I do when I have smoked some pot, it really seems jazz was made for pot heads and of course most other music becomes really quite incredible when you are stoned on good pot. I am sure Indian classical music was influenced cannabis, that music aslo becomes so much more fully dimensional and not quite so irritating as it can be when sober. I need to travel to Holland and hang out for awhile with some cannabis and 4-HO-MET. In my country they put some people to death for possession of even a small amount of any recreational substance or put you in the kind of prison where you would prefer the death penalty, so it is not worth it to me, better to go to Holland where they'd only make you pay some kind of fine. I may not get around to doing that for awhile, but your idea seems so good to me, I don't think i will forget about it. Thanks for sharing with us, much appreciated.

I like it too because of the tryptamines and pot thing, I have only had very good experiences with combining mushrooms and pot, actually some of the most incredible visionary, revelatory drug experiences I have ever had. I think some would get freaked out, I would not recommend mushrooms and pot to most people, but I can imagine maybe 4-HO-MET and pot would be a less challenging way to re-enter those mushroom pot dimensions. And I agree, just taking more mushrooms without the pot, is not the same thing. And also I must say I really have no desire to smoke DMT, its ounds like a total hassle, not to mention really unbalancing to be abruptly jerked around between realities so quickly. I have smoked DMT once, perhaps I did not get a good hit, I really enjoyed it had very clear and comical visions but I was still very clearly in the room where i smoked it, not in some other dimension as many report. But for that reason, mushrooms and pot at good medium to high dosages leaving little to be desired, ie, average potency mushrooms at 4 grams and 2-3 good bong hits of good quality pot, holy crap! What the hell, what more do you want, dood?

I guess too that English is not your first language so in case you wanted to clarify your post, I had some slight uncertainties about your meaning at som epoints in your report, so here are my questions and comments here, sorry i am an English teacher of many years, so I cannot control this part of me. Your English is very good but a few things you wrote were not clear and I really wanted to be sure what you were saying:

1. "Having tried what are considered strong doses, up to 50mg, I find 4-HO-MET hollow in terms of introspection, turning the default cognitive thinking off or life changing experiences."
I wonder what turning ones cognitive thinking off means. Do you mean you are compltetely without any thoughts when you take 4-HO-MET? That in itself sounds like a very diffcult trip experience. I think you mean it turns off the ability to have any deep insights. And then you added something about life changing experiences. I think you mean that because the ability to have profound insight completely disappears under the influence of 4-HO-MET, that perhaps you become just kind of a silly hedonistic hallucinating partier or something under its influence that 4HO-MET is not really an ideal psychedelic and further to that one cannot expect to have really profound life changing experiences from 4HO-MET. But I am just guessing that is your meaning.

2. "Up from that, the 4-HO-MET + cannabis has a less manageable and predictable effect, and can cause little anxiety."

I think you mean it can cause a little anxiety, not little anxiety. A little anxiety suggests there is some anxiety, not very much, but that perhaps one should take note and think again about boosting dosages to higher levels. If you say it produces little anxiety, that suggests almost no anxiety or perhaps even none, and that in any case it doesn't matter and one can boost their doses more and more without any concern. To say it produces little anxiety suggests the issue is too trivial and we should not waste our time worrying about it. So I think you mean a little.

Thanks for your post!

Indeed, english is not my first language. I sometimes still write “literal translations” from my native language (spanish) to english, and spanish language is sometimes more precise than english, so, some communication is lost.

About your first question (turning the default cognitive thinking off), I should have written: Having tried what are considered strong doses, up to 50mg, I find 4-HO-MET hollow in terms of introspection, NOT VERY USEFUL turning the default cognitive thinking off or PROVIDING life changing experiences."

I failed in punctuation, sorry. I assumed “hollow” as an adjetive “weak, not very useful” implied in the other phrases after the comma.

So, 4-HO-MET doesn’t do a good job freeing you from your usual cognitive patterns that we usually live through everyday. Not good turning off the “default thinking patterns” or “default mode network” of the brain. Your thoughts and thinking process is very similar to the regukar one, at least, in my experience. That changes dramatically when you add cannabis to the equation. Seems like 4-HO-MET synergizes with Cannabis, boosting the psychedelics effects of Cannabis and turning that “default mode network” off, so you can experience totally different ways of thinking and feeling. Very similar to that first experiences with cannabis, but even more profound. I’d say 30mg of 4-HO-MET + 0.5gr of cannabis is the sweet spot for me.

About your second question, you are totally right, I forgot the “a”. I meant higher doses of 4-HO-MET mixed with cannabis can cause a little anxiety. I’ve also experienced this mixing cannabis with certain doses of LSD. There is a “sweet spot” of the psychedelic substance that, if overpassed, is dangerous to mix with cannabis. It becomes uncontrollable.