MXE vs. Ketamine

[vibrancy3]

I have done mxe a few times, i dont diss it. but i do prefer kay

 

[DJ_Cosmo]

You could mention texture... Ketamine varies a bit, usually crystalline but I never encountered crystal MXE, it was always a strange behaving, relatively fine powder. Both have been generally white.

I think the original post is inaccurate in that it states MXE has a hangover that can last days? Really? I don't find that the case at all. MXE to me lasts initially 4 to 5 hours, with a come down of an addition 4 to 5 hours. It's a lengthy high for sure.

The first time I did MXE I was still twisted a full 24 hours later. I think I'm unusual in having such a response, I imagine it to be to do with genetic differences in metabolism...
Ketamine's effects can dissipate in under an hour but generally I'd go for about an hour as the standard.

Not only that, I find ketamine to be quite lucid by itself but MXE to be debilitating. Mood remains more stable on ketamine, MXE's more of a rollercoaster. MXE by itself didn't lend itself to holing as mentioned... Tolerance seemed to go up more rapidly too.

In terms of taste, ketamine has a sort of minty, cold taste as well as a bitter, chemically component.
I find it hard to describe the taste of MXE but in synaesthetic terms, ketamine is 'blue' and MXE is a light green. I recognise that doesn't really bring anything objective to the table, though.

After repeated use I find ketamine to be far less disorientating, more lucid and also quite a bit warmer. I read somewhere that after repeated exposure ketamine becomes a more serotonergic relative to dopaminergic, which might explain it, but just as easily could be psychological familiarity. Feels far less alien and much more 'home'.

 

[ebola?]

You could mention texture... Ketamine varies a bit, usually crystalline but I never encountered crystal MXE, it was always a strange behaving, relatively fine powder. Both have been generally white.

Honestly, these are all due to particularities of manufacture. Both compounds should be nearly opaque white crystalline solids, but either can easily be crushed into a powder, of course. There is no reason that pure MXE should have any tint of tan.

I think that the main difference in typical looks of these powders comes from how they are usually produced and distributed. Most retail ketamine is obtained from vials of solution , the solvent being evaporated on a flat glass or ceramic surface that is gently heated. Typical preparation in household type settings will yield a characteristic crystalline grain. MXE is obviously never packaged as a solution for medical use, and more powdery end products are typical of large-scale RC production and distribution.

I read somewhere that after repeated exposure ketamine becomes a more serotonergic relative to dopaminergic, which might explain it

Since ketamine has no remotely direct serotonergic or dopaminergic activity, this doesn't make sense. If it were the case that chronic exposure to ketamine caused downstream serotonergic effects to overshadow downstream dopaminergic effects (not that these effects are too well established in the first place), this would occur with other dissociatives too. It's actually MXE that has serotonergic activity anyway, not K.

ebola

 

[Sippin_LSD]

Plus you can't really overdose on just Ketamine.

But MXE....

 

[Chocolate-Salad]

To all the people saying they don't get a hangover with MXE, for me if I go above 30mg in an evening, I'll have a hangover all the way through the next day. It makes using it feel toxic and less enjoyable. I also find it ridiculously difficult to sleep on MXE because of the hangover.

 

[J.Wallace]

Plus you can't really overdose on just Ketamine.

But MXE....

While I know you mean "Overdose" in the sense of a fatal overdose, I would still say its easy to overdose on Ketamine and put yourself in to an unwanted K-hole.

In fact, I'll go so far to say I'd rather overdose on MXE as oppose to Ketamine. MXE in my experience, the worst that happens is a huge rise in blood pressure and vasoconstriction where as Ketamine makes me extremely sick, vomiting and extremely disoriented.

 

[B.mans]

IMO it's pretty useless to try to define a dosage where you're "high". This differs greatly from person to person (20 mg wouldn't get me anywhere, no tolerance) and "high is impossible to define.

 

[Crashing]

I find a couple things that are different in my experience.

First, i have gotten powdered off-white mxe once, and it sucked compared to the type i usually get which is a white crystal salty looking substance - identical to ketamine. This is the general understanding in my community. Many chinese sources of MXE are off white powder that apparently is much less desirable.

For me, MXE has no hangover if i dose once, but if i redose i will feel slightly dissociated for 24 hours or more. Ketamine i can redose until i'm out a few grams and be fine the next day.

The actual trip and effects of MXE as bridging the space between DXM and Ketamine. At smaller dosages, I feel nearly no difference from ketamine, but with larger dosages approaching the hole, the trip feels much more like a less toxic feeling and cleaner/sharper DXM trip. My CEVs on MXE are stronger, OEVs are way less. Mentally, all dissociatives have potential to produce equally powerful trips for me.

MXE can produce a hole for me, and also I find the trip to be more spiritual than K or DXM. On MXE, i almost always get a lot of extra sensory perception and feelings of a much deeper understanding of concepts and matter. Nothing about MXE feels toxic or unsafe to me, same can be said for K. DXM, however, feels considerably more damaging for whatever reason, probably due to inactive ingredients. (I've never had pure dxm, only cough syrup, so maybe pure dxm is much more similar to mxe)

So yeah, seems like batch type/quality and dosage/doses may be a big factor here.

 

[Sippin_LSD]

While I know you mean "Overdose" in the sense of a fatal overdose, I would still say its easy to overdose on Ketamine and put yourself in to an unwanted K-hole.

In fact, I'll go so far to say I'd rather overdose on MXE as oppose to Ketamine. MXE in my experience, the worst that happens is a huge rise in blood pressure and vasoconstriction where as Ketamine makes me extremely sick, vomiting and extremely disoriented.

I wouldn't say it's easy to accidentally hole. I wouldn't say snorting 150mgs is accidental, and if you're redosing a lot than it's your own fault for not expecting it.

And your reaction to a hole is unique to anything I've heard/seen. I've never seen someone consistently get sick off ketamine.

 

[amanitadine]

^ and a "huge rise in blood pressure and vasoconstriction" sounds much more dangerous than spewing your guts. And the the disorientation is par for the course.

 

[J.Wallace]

I wouldn't say it's easy to accidentally hole. I wouldn't say snorting 150mgs is accidental, and if you're redosing a lot than it's your own fault for not expecting it.

And your reaction to a hole is unique to anything I've heard/seen. I've never seen someone consistently get sick off ketamine.

First time I holed I puked a ton from the disorientation it gave me.

MXE has never made me sick like that, no matter how high the dose. I've gotten to points on MXE where I'd rail 300mg and it wouldn't even affect me, it was as if my body was essentially ignoring all the powder I'd inhale. If it was Ketamine, I'd simply get extremely sick.

 

[Foreigner]

I've updated the OP based on responses here. This will be a work in progress.

If someone who has MXE on them wouldn't mind burning a very tiny portion of it on tinfoil and letting me know the colour it turns, that would be great. Ketamine burns to an oily red colour but I'm not sure about MXE. If they burn differently then this could be a great method of identification.

 

[2002Tii]

I've updated the OP based on responses here. This will be a work in progress.

If someone who has MXE on them wouldn't mind burning a very tiny portion of it on tinfoil and letting me know the colour it turns, that would be great. Ketamine burns to an oily red colour but I'm not sure about MXE.
If they burn differently then this could be a great method of identification.

I've got a bit I don't mind using, I'll update tomorrow night

 

[TheAppleCore]

Colour:
Ketamine - white
MXE - white, or off white-tan

Pure MXE itself in powder form is white, AFAIK. Some samples of MXE are off-white / tan / yellow, but this is not technically the MXE itself -- it's discoloration caused by impurities.