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Mushrooms 5g- experienced- It has been called a "heroic dose"

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The interesting site showed itself at 5pm, when J showed me his harvested cubensis. It was a lovely collection of nearly 100g. He said he would give me 5g for free if I took them all with him at an old barn surrounded by woods and brush which once was a field. I hesitantly agreed; although I was nervous. This, as we both knew, was what Bill Hicks called a Heroic dose. And those dried blue chunks of fungus looked intimidating. I had taken a pill of "psilocin" (probably 4-ho-mipt) which was supposedly matching the 5g heroic dose. And that was a hell of a trip. Despite that experience, I had no fucking clue...

The barn I wasn't too familiar with. Once many years ago we smoked a bunch of weed inside the rotting dark place, other than that I've only passed it on a few walks. So, finals being over and me happy about that, I'm up for this "heroic" challenge, especially at 0$. J thought it'd be best to go there an hour before it started to get dark so we can set up some cool things and lay down some insecticide. That we did.

At 7pm, we arrived with my car containing a large plastic tarp, 2 folding chairs, 2 flashlights (one a 1million candlepower spotlight) and a flourescent lantern , some non-caffeinated pop, a battery powered stereo with a few nice trance cds, and a battery operated string thing that made a string into a wave and flashes lights onto it (very cool, highly recommended, got it at wal-mart). I did not bring a gun this time, the main reason was because I was using a very high dose, and the other being we could retreat to the car for safety, which was parked nearby. Before setting up we ate the shrooms and chased them down with root beer. 5.1g each. We thought it'd be cool to go 100mg over the heroic dose.

The lantern seemed to light up the interior well, bouncing some light off the greyish ~18 foot high ceiling. There wasn't a loft or any 2nd story, it was just a simple square barn with a pretty lifeless dirt floor. As we sit down at about 7:15, everything is set up and the trance music playing with the string spinning. It looked so synergestic already, and I was just starting to feel the psilocin bind to receptors in my body, subtly changing things in mysterious ways...

I told our friends D and P to stop by at around 8 or 8:30 to check on us, so that was our lifeline in case this thing was too much for us and we weren't heroes afterall. It felt comforting as slowly but surely my perceptions were shifting and my mind coming alive in a strange way. J looked over at me and looked nervous and trippy but smiling. I returned the smile and lit up a joint. I don't toke much anymore but it always has gone good with comeups. We pass it around and make simple comments about the atmosphere, and how cool this is gonna be, etc. The weed seems to ease some cramping but not shadow the body load, which is going strong in my stomach. I start to feel nauseous but this passes with a few more tokes.

Five minutes later, I am somewhere else. The trance music flows through the walls of this strange enclosure like liquid electricity. I can see these strange colored waterfalls moving on the walls as our deep tunnel trance plays. I look at my hands and they are melting and wet, throwing off neon yellow colored liquid skin with every slight movement. I laugh loudly, feeling intensely screwed by this electric fire in my body, yet trying to surrender and make peace with it. Soon my very own consciousness was disconnecting and reconnecting in amazing ways. Many paradigm shifts, ages of questions, lost cities, being experienced and pondered. Ancient writing appeared over the dirt, a recurring theme in my trips. I stared down at it. I could see it wiggling and being written. Just then, I felt like i could see a black pointy long fingered hand writing all this. I got a jolt of fear then intense wonder and awe. I pointed at the dirt and J could see the writing too. "ancient writing" he said, amazed. The coincidence at the moment was too much to be a coincidence to my tripped mind. I finally felt a mystical connection to my skeptical atheist mind. It was wonderful yet scary.

Time lost all meaning and the fear was rising. I was losing my very being in a blur of sensory overload. Just then two people with flashlights bust in loudly. Cops, I thought. Maybe they can help me and keep me from losing my mind. "whats up dudes?" asks D. "D! awe man great to see ya" I hear myself say in a deep distorted voice from a strange distance. "I am lll.. losing everything, cant let it go, could lost forever" I mutter as the world loudly starts to spiral, and to me, it was the beginning of the end. This spiralling effect, which was making a loud grinding noise and slowly tumbling everything in my vision to a slow counterclockwise spin, I perceived to be the start of some death wheel which would lead to be being gone forever in the flow of chaos.

"Don't worry man you'll be fine! Trust me!" D exclaims. Meanwhile P was comforting J who was curled in a ball on his seat and saying something about it being too intense or too loud. P turned down the music and J yelled "NO!", so P turned it up and J said "Oh." probably as in "ok". My world was becoming increasingly separated from the human world. I didn't know what I was at this point. D took a seat next to me and I could barely remember what he was, and when I would, the memory would quickly be lost in the spiral of my senses. Soon the spiral was taking my senses of smell and hearing. I cannot accurately describe what happened, nor completely remember it myself, but my senses got tangled in this counterclockwise spin. I didn't perceive higher dimensions, just a horrible but wonderfully strange chaos of the senses colliding at high circular velocities. I fell off my chair. The pain was real but disconnected. There was no more language, just this spiral. Panic set in as the chaos and disconnection grew. I saw myself yell and run out the barn door and into the woods. Darkness but loud mechanical noises and strange musical notes playing which weren't from anything real.

I stumbled and fell after a short distance because my spacial perception of my body was so off, it was as if i was blended into the surroundings like an infinite amoeba on a 2 dimensional surface. I saw a grey ufo flying towards me. I closed my eyes and awoke in a very colorful exotic place. The view was extraordinary. The resolution was so detailed, so much clearer than real life, that not all of it could be put into memory but it was fantastic. Futuristic vision of a tropical town. What are people? Everything is beautiful... I was thinking without words.

D and P were gently carrying me back to the car, where J was, in the back seat laying in the fetal position and twitching mildly. They had trance playing gently. I sat in the passenger seat and D got in the drivers, as the keys were in and I guess he was looking out to make sure I don't go on a psychedelic joyride. He said some things but I couldn't understand, I was out of body in some colorful fantasy land, the fear and panic faded and dimmed down beautifully. I can't describe in words what I was feeling but it was wonderful and refreshing.

P cleaned up everything and put it in the trunk. What great pals. D then drove us to his place. We didn't ask him to or plan this, but it was such a great change of environment. A much more controlled place to be. We sat in his living room and drank some water as the trip slowly winded down, but still going very strong. I began to talk understandably but I only communicated my awe and amazement about what had happened and what was going on. Soon, the trip crashed down and I was sober. There was a certain faint sadness at being back, whether it was from neurochemical changes or just a loss of a magical world. Probably both. I was happy though to regain function and thinking, although it seemed my senses were so dimmed and dulled compared to the massive sense-spiral that consumed my very being.

I talked to D and P some, and thanked them. J had to be given a 2mg xanax bar when he was in the car cause he was crying; I must have been so far off I didn't realize it, or the sound was interpreted as something else. By this point he was passed out, at around 2am. I myself took 20mg ambien and lied on D's couch and waited to be carried off into peaceful sleep.

This trip was very powerful, and I definitely wouldn't recommend this dose to anyone without some decent experience under their belt. I think it would have gone smoother in an indoor setting, but we were afraid of drawing attention in case one of us freaked out. The barn wasn't bad though. Reminded me of Bill Hicks story of eating mushrooms in a field and being abducted by a UFO. I think I thought of this when the shrooms were first kicking in. I am very excited I saw a hallucinated UFO on my trip, that just completed it for me, although the other, crystal clear images were amazing and still are. One of the best trips yet! Too bad our language can't relate such psychedelic intensity, but I tried. Peace.

(p.s. I think terrence mckenna originally called this dose heroic but I'm not sure)

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7.5 is the heroic dose.

I've consumed upwards to half an ounce in one sitting before.

All i have to say is, god was my celing.
he spoke to me and told me many mysteries.
 
I'm pretty sure that a heroic dose is anything that is far larger than the usual amount ingested that did not cause a plethora of incredibly negative side/after effects.
I mean, I have a friend that ate an ounce- an entire ounce- of mushrooms in one night (split up into two 14 gm. doses an hour apart). I mean, I would totally consider that a heroic dose, but I also don't really reccommend that most people do that.

To the OP- great report.

so that was our lifeline in case this thing was too much for us and we weren't heroes afterall.
I laughed so hard at this line- I totally understand what you are talking about. I've done the same thing.

Everything is beautiful... I was thinking without words
And that = why mushrooms are my favorite.
 
I consider myself experienced and with a decent mental tolerance to psychedelics, and 5g rocked me. I think I'd push the limit to 7g or so but I don't know how much further I'd go... perhaps not much further at all since I already lost myself and was having fantastic visions. Perhaps the extra would be bad, I don't know.

To anyone who has done more than 5g dried I commend you; its definitely not a choice like having a few joints with friends!

I think the term heroic for this dose probably should be higher just a tad but I was just quoting Bill Hicks and/or Terrence McKenna. This I'd call a borderline everything-is-gone-but-a-surge-of-consciousness.
 
great report, way to describe such abstract sensations fluidly (the amoeba metaphor particaularly, very poetic :) )

this reminds me of the wonder/through-the-roofness my only 5g ceremony entailed....definitely a dif angle than i had, but i can tell you were engulfed similarly. ( i saw the fibers of linear progression unwind to reveal the 'paths' ahead, of which i could choose my course. maybe i'll write it up someday, it def taught me quite a bit about quantum physics, taoism and shamanic communication)
 
thanks for the comments and for not dicksizing; I know people have ate many times more than 5g! (But I am interested in these stories).
 
I did 1 time 7 grams of dried thai mushrooms, thinking about my tolerance level as i ate 2.5 grams 3 days before, we went to a shady place to buy these mushrooms in a french ghetto, to get back we had to wait the train 1 hour, i had my precision scale on me so i tooked 7 grams as my friends tooked the usually 2.5 grams.
Then a bunch of 7 ghetto youths come along, and as i was on crutches they wanted to take it from me, mushrooms started to come, and i yelled fuck you coward bitch, dont touch a handicape guy. They punched me in the face and i felt down, i make the death man, andthey went away, when i stood pu back, my friend said i had a legendary punch in my face, in french slang punch can also be said as a "bullet" Mushrooms were very active and i thought i really had a bullet in my head and all i see were halucinations.
I had flashes seeing me on a hospital bed with surgeons above me and i felt the bullet right inside my head.
Once in the train all the stations on the map had the same name "death" i was kind of panicked but the only thing i was thinking about, is why my girlfriend isnt here while im dieing on a hospital bed...
Every single second i was telling my friends, where am i? why is shes not here? my girlfriend was waiting at my house. When she called me i was crying, telling why are u nnot here? plz i wanna see u before i die, even in my hallucinations, plz come...
 
^you should write a trip report and elaborate, that sounds really intense and interesting.

reminds me of when I was tripping hard on too much acid (2 hits blew me away but in my confused psychedelic stupor i took 5 more, thinking 'i think these are supposed to be eaten' while at the same time not knowing what my watch was nor the flow of time just off 2 of them). When the 5 kicked in i thought I fell through the floor of the apartment down 2 floors and i looked down at my chest and i could see my lungs and guts hanging out and everyone walking by was saying 'i didnt like that kid anyways'. the ambulance and police came to haul my body away and they were joking and laughing. the music was still playing which confused me as to why they were so cold.

I was 15 when that happened :)
 
I recently intended to take 5g but through various misunderstandings ended up taking a good 8.5g of dried hawaiians, which were strong even by hawaiian standards! These are roughly 3 times stronger than other shrooms and I went through one hell of a time:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=5990686#post5990686

It makes me shudder even more when I hear what happened to people who took say, 7g of a brand of shroom not anywhere near the strength of hawaiians. It's also left me messed up, even now.
 
Just as a note, different strains of psilocybe cubensis have generally the same amount of active alkaloids. It is the ratios of these that cause them to affect people differently. Saying they are 3x the strength of normal mushrooms is not accurate and not good for community IMHO.

Different species are "stronger" than standard psilocybe cubensis - see http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml for more info.
 
Iv eaten maybe a quater in a sitting and all I could tink of after 10hours is...............somebody please make this stop.
 
Great report. I consider that a heroic dose but the most I've ever had is only ~75 psilocybe semilanceata mushrooms. When you went into this wonderful fantasy world and the panic disappeared, was it when you closed you eyes?

If so then I can relate as a similar thing happened to me. With that experience I was a staunch atheist beforehand and by the end I was convinced there was something and I'm still convinced to this day, although I'm not sure what it is yet.
 
Don Luigi said:
With that experience I was a staunch atheist beforehand and by the end I was convinced there was something and I'm still convinced to this day, although I'm not sure what it is yet.

I agree 100%. That is exactly what my first big, solo mushroom trip was like- it was and is still to this day the most spiritual experience I have ever had. I can't ever really put into words why though...
 
Don Luigi said:
Great report. I consider that a heroic dose but the most I've ever had is only ~75 psilocybe semilanceata mushrooms. When you went into this wonderful fantasy world and the panic disappeared, was it when you closed you eyes?

If so then I can relate as a similar thing happened to me. With that experience I was a staunch atheist beforehand and by the end I was convinced there was something and I'm still convinced to this day, although I'm not sure what it is yet.

i swear to bob bro....its bob =D
 
My first 'real' trip was 4g of some really potent mushooms - I'd done maybe 1.5g before but I really wanted to trip good. I didn't know how incremental the trip was on just a few grams... That was one hell of a ride - my second time tripping on 4g... Insanity! =D I was worried, my friends terrified!
Learnt a hell of a lot that night! ;)
 
nikol said:
I agree 100%. That is exactly what my first big, solo mushroom trip was like- it was and is still to this day the most spiritual experience I have ever had. I can't ever really put into words why though...

Well the way to explain it being ineffable is to call it a mystical experience. I applied it to it at the time but I think I used it too readily but it was ineffable to some extents but to many others I was able to describe it. I could describe it quite well visually but the other, more important aspects were much harder to describe.
 
Psychonautical said:
7.5 is the heroic dose.

I've consumed upwards to half an ounce in one sitting before.

All i have to say is, god was my celing.
he spoke to me and told me many mysteries.

Terence Mckenna says 5 grams is an heroic dose. So I think that is what bill hicks was reffering to.

I must say that you guys are brave. I've never done more than 2.5g cubensis and im nearly 100kg and 2M tall.

If anybody tries this, please be prepared for the mindfuck. I've had doses as low as 1.25 grams and still went into an extremly bad introvert mode where I thought that everything everyone said was ment to me in a bad way.

Not trying to be the buzzkill, ofcourse you should be able to experiment with mushrooms if you want to. Just a note to those who do, respect the mushroom :)
 
Don Luigi said:
Well the way to explain it being ineffable is to call it a mystical experience. I applied it to it at the time but I think I used it too readily but it was ineffable to some extents but to many others I was able to describe it. I could describe it quite well visually but the other, more important aspects were much harder to describe.

I called it a mystical experience as first, but then decided that spiritual was better; it helps personalize it more.
Mine happened around a year ago, so must of the details have long faded. All I know is that is was the most self-affirming day I have ever had.
 
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