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Misc multiple iv injections in same spot/vein = less effect in following shots?

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tablehead

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Could this to be from possible leakage, from the earlier spikings of the vein, or some other factor. I used one of my fave emergency spots which is an old favorite when i started to iv. It is a fave because it pulls through when no veins are popping or I just cant hit. I cant really even see the vein I just know where to insert and at what angle. ( Using a 30g SHORT tip so very unlikely to hit artry)


Anywho.... So i needed ol faithfull I spiked and immediatly got a solid register.
I got a good strong rush and everything was cool.

I hit one more time in the middle of the day. and another right after since it was a big shot.

The last shot of the day which I actually made the strongest, I didnt feel barely. I wasnt execting a rush but I nice buzz to sleep to. In normal cases I know I would have felt it more.

Is it at all possible I didnt feel it cause I was hittin the same spot all day?
 
You're not supposed to hit the very same spot more than once in a session. If you do you hit a spot near the hole you created before, and that hole is a source of leakage.

You're supposed to hit some distance *downstream* of where you hit before.
 
after you've shot in one spot the vein also inflames relevant to the damage you've done.. which only serves too push out more of the next shot into the surrounding tissue
 
Make your first shot the biggest and any subsequent shots smaller than the initial. As was said, your tolerance will be higher by the time you have your last shot. I find the bigger the shot the longer it lasts also. And definitely try to avoid hitting the *exact* same spot, move down from it.
 
Curious.... so your vein gets inflammed to repair itself?
I made sure to space 3 shots about 1/2 from one another, but with a large rig (25g - all I could get) and now my veins are super fucking sore, even upstream and dowstream a bit from where I hit Is this common or to be expected when using larger gauge needles and not spacing out far enough? I have no fever and no sign of any redness/ purple streaks along my veins, so I am pretty sure there is no infection, just really really sore crook of my arm.I micron filter BTW.
Thanks
 
^Unlikely it's an infection, but keep an eye on it for redness/swelling/fever. Maybe try putting some antibiotic ointment on it to help promote healing. It's more likely that the soreness is simply from using such a large gauge needle. I know when I get blood drawn with those dumbass 23g needles my whole arm/hand hurts for days afterwards..

If you micron filter you're probably good to go. just let that spot rest for a bit, and try and get some smaller gauge needles if you can.
 
Yeah, i usually stick to 30's if and when I do slam - I am a true "chipper"
I'm guessing it is just soreness from the big ass needle and shooting 3x within 2 hours in the same area. (drug was hydromorphone which just doesn't last)
 
Try getting away from the crook of your arm. The same vein you hit at the crook of your arm runs all along your forearm up to your wrist.
 
Oooh gnarly, I just checked and they were actually 22.5 Gauge. My arm isn't sore, there is no heat, so I know it isn't infected or anything, the sites are a little firm and raised, but there is no bruising. I also think that miraculaously the vein isn't blown out. it is now raised a little better further down my forearm- could this be from a slight vein thombrosis increasing pressure in this vein?

The other rigs available are 1/3cc 5/8" insulin syringes. I've never been able to hit with these - do you think it's worth a try?
 
8o 22.5 gauge

omfg!

^what gauge are your other ones?
sounds like they're short needles, you might need to go for the surface veins of your hands ... but try on your arm with a tourney first..
 
muvolution said:
Oooh gnarly, I just checked and they were actually 22.5 Gauge. My arm isn't sore, there is no heat, so I know it isn't infected or anything, the sites are a little firm and raised, but there is no bruising. I also think that miraculaously the vein isn't blown out. it is now raised a little better further down my forearm- could this be from a slight vein thombrosis increasing pressure in this vein?

The other rigs available are 1/3cc 5/8" insulin syringes. I've never been able to hit with these - do you think it's worth a try?
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What gauge are the 5/8"? 3/10 CC (1/3cc would be slightly larger in volume) is the size I use; most people prefer 1cc volume.

I use 5/16", so 5/8" is longer than a half inch, this is a really long needle and I wouldn't use this for IV use to be honest just for the length alone.
 
My bad, they are 5/16", standard insulin needle. I think I'll go give this another shot.

What I really want are just some 30gauge half inch leur-lock tips that I could hook up to a 3mL barrell.
 
About needle length

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the longer the needle, the harder it will be to register. Sucking "thick" blood through a needle twice as long is much harder, especially if the needle is high gauge (which it should be).
 
^Yeah valid point. I prefer 31g 5'16'' short tips. 1cc. Haven't failed me yet. I used to use 28g but that was back when I could use my elbows/forearms. Nowadays if I were to IV i have to use my hands/wrists. So the smaller gauge short tips help me from mutilating my wrist, which makes me nervous in the first place. Ah well. No problems yet, and I am off of opiates so meheheh.
 
Well I'm using 300unit 5/16" insulin syringes, and It finally clicked for me and became really easy. Banged off like 20mg of Dilaudid, 2 at a time over the day yesterday, had no pain, and ended up taking like half of what my actual dosage is oral. All reasoning for me to keep shooting up. Don't do it, once you've got it, you're fucked, just move on, don't try it.
Anyway, I finally got it, really easy and am having noooo trouble at all.
 
^cool man, glad you figured out your problem. I understand they are insulin syringes, but what is the gauge of the needle itself? 30g? 31g? I mean insulin syringes come in a variety of needle gauges.
 
BrokedownPalace said:
I mean insulin syringes come in a variety of needle gauges.
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Interestingly, when insulin syringes are sold as 3-part syringes (removable needles), they're often sold accompanied with 26G needles. Conversely, when they come as 2-parts (welded needles), they're 29G or 30G. Does this have to do with the fact that welded needles will not come off regardless of the pressure, while removable needles need more cross-section because excess pressure might cause them to get ejected?

Muvolution, remember that a 3ml barrel will exert a lot of pressure, more pressure maybe than can be handled by a 30G needle.

Using a 26G for the arms and no bigger than 30G for the hands, as suggested below, is a good idea. Different spot, different gear.
 
You want to cycle sites and move closer to the heart with each concurrent injection and then as your sites heal you can move back to the extremities and work your way back in again.

Please look at the advice I compiled in the Track Marks thread, to avoid poor IV drug use.
 
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