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MS Contin question

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OnCloud9

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Hey guys, nice to join this forum! Not really sure of all your rules since he has been on other similar forums.

My pet dog drugs of choice are opiates, mainly morphine and opium.

Wondering if you guys could help out though.

My pet dog usually takes around 120-150 mgs of morphine SR (60mg tabs) . These pills are usually broken in half and swallowed occasionally parachuting them. Even when breaking them in half it takes a while to feel the effects, does anyone take these whole or will it be wasteful?

Sometimes my pet dog feels very sleepy on morphine, any ideas of what he could take to feel less noddy and sedated? Coffee didn't do much but made the sleepy effects a bit more pronounced.

Sorry for the long post!

Cheeers
 
Welcome to BL ~ first off, a couple things -

1. There's no point in using: "my pet dog" anymore since any agent lurking the forums knows better. As long as you're not incriminating yourself as a dealer or supplier or give up the information on where you get your shit, you're fine. Using isn't enough to raise a red flag nor would it be worth it to pursue regardless.

2. Why don't you make a 'New Member Introduction' thread in the sub-forum under the same name? This will help other forum members and especially moderators to get to know you a little better. It's also a great way to break the ice and get info on where your questions should go to get the better answers! For instance, your question specifically would fit nicely in the 'Basic Drug Discussion' sub-forum. Lots of smart and experienced BL'er there that would help you out.

I'll save any answers for those who would know a little more about MSContin. I've been on it but didn't last long since it never worked for me. I never tried to break down the slow-release mechanism.

R*B

EDITED TO ADD THIS: Also, give the forum rules/sub-forum rules a good read. There are things that are not allowed and if broken, you'll find your posts snipped and if it continues, may lead to a ban. The rules are there for your protection as well as forum mods, leaders and owner(s). Just a recommendation.
 
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MSContin is still definitely still going to be sustained-release when broken in half. You'll have to completely crush to get the majority of the morphine at the time of dose, if that is your aim. I am not quite sure from your post...

->BDD
 
Well Ms contin remains time released even after crushing for the most part as it turns to gel.what you should try is,crush the pills 12 hours before dosing,and throw them in a glass of strong lemonade.leave it in the fridge for at least 8 hours then drink.if you don't want to wait,put the crushed pills in a spoon with a couple ml's of water.now hold a lighter under the spoon until the solution boils a bit,all the gel will float to the top.use a tooth pick to move the gel out.add the liquid from the spoon to your beverage of choice(non alcoholic)and drink.eat the gel as it contains Morphine as well.
 
I started taking 30mg ms contin a couple years ago than my doc moved me to the 60mg. I used to break the 60's in half like you describe doing. Looking back I don’t see as it made any difference in how fast they worked
 
OntarioGuy said:
Well Ms contin remains time released even after crushing for the most part as it turns to gel.what you should try is,crush the pills 12 hours before dosing,and throw them in a glass of strong lemonade.leave it in the fridge for at least 8 hours then drink.if you don't want to wait,put the crushed pills in a spoon with a couple ml's of water.now hold a lighter under the spoon until the solution boils a bit,all the gel will float to the top.use a tooth pick to move the gel out.add the liquid from the spoon to your beverage of choice(non alcoholic)and drink.eat the gel as it contains Morphine as well.
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now, throwing a crushed up pill in lemonade for 8 hours might do it. but the way you described the spoon method is incorrect, you don't heat your pills, especially ones that gel up. and especially don't heat your morphine, as it gets destroyed at pretty low temps.

if you're trying to get rid of the time release on your pills, the best way to do so, is to crush the pill, put it in like a rolling paper (best thing) or a piece of napkin and make a little pouch, then swallow. you will have defeated probably 80-90% of the time release this way.

and if you IV, I can only help you out with the ABG brand morphines as these are what I get. I've learned that 1ML of room temp water keeps the pills from gelling up. I just crush as good as possible, add 1ML of room temp water, and use the needle cap to stir and crush any bigger pill pieces, and throw in the whole end of a q-tip and suck it up into a needless syringe, then I squirt it back out into a clean spoon and refilter into a regular rig.
 
Sam228 said:
I started taking 30mg ms contin a couple years ago than my doc moved me to the 60mg. I used to break the 60's in half like you describe doing. Looking back I don’t see as it made any difference in how fast they worked
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yeah, I know they come with warnings telling you not to break the pill in half, but really this will do almost absolutely nothing to the timed release. think of it as just taking two seperate pills that both have the same wax covering. its gonna take the same amount of time. maybe you've destroyed 10% of the time release with this method, but not much to even notice.
 
Thanks for the quick response.

I have not taken any of the 60's whole but I'd say it would kick in much slower and last longer?

I found when I parachuted it didn't do much compared to when i took them halved.
 
Not the best methods either.. i saw a reply on some forum here about the best way to prepare each brand of ms contin without it gelling up and getting the most out of it.

It was basically like the crisping method and seemed like once you get the hang of it, its the best way to go.

I think this was basically it: (depending on brand)
Crush pill into fine powder
Get spoon, place it over candle til it gets hot
Drop crushed pill into spoon, it should sizzle a bit and edges turn a little brown
Use SALT WATER when mixing it up. Apparently the salt stops the pill gelling up.
Drop in a bit of cotton and draw it up.

Then do what you want, shoot, plug, drink..

Dont quote me, just find the post that goes something like that, it seemed like the best way ive seen so far.
 
I just wouldn't apply heat to opiates, especially morphine. it starts to break down at pretty low temps.

oncloud, yes, if you took one of the MScontins whole it would kick in slower and last longer, approximatively 8-12 hours long. I don't really understand if the second thing you said is a question or whatever. crushing the pill completely and parachuting that should be a lot different than only breaking a pill in half. maybe you didn't take a dose that you'd feel. morphine is pretty weak orally.
 
Tokin: Yes I agree morphine should not be heated because of what I understand the drug is destroyed around 80 degrees Celsius. When I drink Pod tea I make sure never do heat above that temperature.

Plugging didn't work well for me, and I don't think it lasts as long as oral.

Parachuting the MS's won't make them IR right? It will just increase the surface area of the pill so more morphine is ingested faster?
 
OnCloud9 said:
Plugging didn't work well for me, and I don't think it lasts as long as oral.

Parachuting the MS's won't make them IR right? It will just increase the surface area of the pill so more morphine is ingested faster?
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Oral bioavailability of morphine is actually quite low. I used to take at least two 60mg ER's, and at least four 15mg IR's a day. If I was lazy I'd just eat them all at once and be set until the next day. But if I wanted to get *high*, I'd do this.....

When I'd plug the ER/EQs, I always used a warm IV saline solution to disolve the pills in, with enough solution that the gel will almost completely mix with the saline after stirring for a while. Then it goes in as far as is comfortable, doing it gingerly is a good way to end up with MS solution on the boxers rather than in the blood.

Again, when plugging the ER/EQ's it's really important that all of the goop is completely mixed w/ warm saline..... and it goes deep. Laying on one's side is a good position to both administer & retain the plug. Then is also a good time to mainline the IRs, or whatever else.
 
I don't know where I can get saline...

I have tried using a oral syringe but I think most of it came out and went on my boxers lol...whatta waste
 
Morphine's oral bioavailability is widely ranging between individuals, but I don't believe that for most people this will prevent them from using the oral route with fair efficiency... The dose you may need may range a bit, but you can still get good effects from oral morphine, unless of course your tolerance is raised by some other drug or ROA.

The pill does turn to a gel when it contacts water, but crushing still defeats the time release to a significant degree. I imagine you could bypass this problem almost completely if you just crushed the pill and took little bits of the powder at a time over a period of time...
 
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