MP urges ecstasy for war veterans

[silvia saint]

It damages the serotonin receptors in your brain causing depression.
Hardly what I'd call therapeutic.

for somebody who is repressing negative past experiences and/or is unable to talk about them which inhibits healing through therapy then i'd definitely call it therapeutic if it allows them to do so, which it does. midweek blues, which are temporary and unlikely to cause long term depression if the drug is used rarely, are certainly negated by the opening up aspects of the drug

 

[Cornishman]

Obviously I'm wasting my time as so many of us are biased and think drugs do no harm whatsoever.

 

[silvia saint]

Obviously I'm wasting my time as so many of us are biased and think drugs do no harm whatsoever.

i admit that excessive mdma use, like almost all drugs that are abused, can cause serious negative health effects, and yes a lot of illicit drug users are biased but that's the end result of decades of bullshit scare campaigns. you however seem to have bought into them completely though, giving the impression you believe one pill is going to see you on prozac for the rest of your life.

 

[Cornishman]

i admit that excessive mdma use, like almost all drugs that are abused, can cause serious negative health effects, and yes a lot of illicit drug users are biased but that's the end result of decades of bullshit scare campaigns. you however seem to have bought into them completely though, giving the impression you believe one pill is going to see you on prozac for the rest of your life.

I hear ya, and to be honest I'm waaay out of my depth on this one (although it'd be interesting to see how things go should they opt fot the trials to go ahead).
I personally love MDMA and would love to see it get put to a good use, lol.

 

[E-llusion]

Obviously I'm wasting my time as so many of us are biased and think drugs do no harm whatsoever.

Every drug has it's risks, MDMA in therapeutic doses (100-150mg Pure MDMA) is hardly causing any harm to your body/brain.

Of course , if you are taking 5-10 pills (50-100mg) every weekend , it will wreak havoc on you, but so will ANY OTHER LEGAL DRUG, try taking tylenol 10-20 caps every day (recommended usage is 1-3 per day) and see how your liver will survive.

How about Opiates ? Or Benzos ? Try taking 5 to 10 times recommended dosage and see how long you will live ?

Get My Point now ?

MDMA "damage" risk is quite low even if taken in excess, as compared to most legal drugs on the market (if taken @ 5-10 times recommented dosage).

Thus, the point being, any drug if taken as recommended (and not adulterated with other substances like MDMA is most of the time) is usually quite harmless.

The problems start when people start to abuse any drug, and abusing MDMA is much easier since the public is not educated thru the proper channels but much rather by word of mouth and myths.

It's sites like BL that try to educate the users on the real risks and dangers, something that the governments should be doing, rather that spewing the ol' anti drug=fry your brain propaganda.

 

[Transcendence]

I admit I don't know much about MDMA therapy, but what the hell happens the next day when they feel like shit?

 

[Cornishman]

Every drug has it's risks, MDMA in therapeutic doses (100-150mg Pure MDMA) is hardly causing any harm to your body/brain.

Do you ACTUALLY know this?!
Have you ACTUALLY studied the brain after taking these doses using scientific equipment?
Or do you have any other proof? (Sorry to sound so negative, I'm just interested to the fact of how you know this particular information?).

 

[OcCo]

Do you ACTUALLY know this?!
Have you ACTUALLY studied the brain after taking these doses using scientific equipment?
Or do you have any other proof? (Sorry to sound so negative, I'm just interested to the fact of how you know this particular information?).

Do you know if small therapeutic doses actually do cause serious damage mate?
There was a horizon documentary on late last year which discussed the state of the drug classification system in the UK and guess what MDMA was the least harmful out of all of the illegal drugs, now I'm not saying that heavy use of the drug may not cause damage because really over indulging and abusing any substance be it illegal or not is going to do damage to your body, but the GP, and government adviser discussing the effects of MDMA said that every single patent she had seen whom said they have felt depressed or some sort of negative effects from MDMA recovered to their normal stated within a weeks or months, and these were people going out of a weekend taking tablets which are made in clandestine labs, sheds and other shady gaffs. Were is your proof that small doses cause receptor damage, there was 1 test which was supposedly to study the effects of MDMA on the brains serotonin receptors, and guess what the study said it fucked them up badly, but this study was also fucked up badly, they pumped monkeys full of methamphetamine instead of MDMA, I havent heard of any other studies, no doubt there probably is, but really mate I'm sure they thought giving MDMA to soliders to help them cope wasn't just something they thought of in 5 minutes without thinking of negative aspects.

I'm sorry I cant find the horizon documentary friend, but there is some other similar stuff of the BBC website, I can also say although I dont used MDMA anymore, before I did I was a shy and quiet person and found it hard and daunting to do even simple things like phoning people on the telephone for example ordering things, and even found it rather daunting talking to people and girls, I've known for years but didn't really talk to, and seriously if it caused bad damage to the seratonin receptors, I'm sure the great Alexander Shulgin wouldn't have given the world his wonderful gifts and would probably be some were close to being a vegetable.

 

[fastandbulbous]

They're talking about maybe a couple of sessions with a psychiatrist for people who have debilitating psychiatric problems from being in a combat situation. It's a case of balancing any harm from taking the drug against the psychologically crippling effects of returning to 'normal' life after having been in just about the most stressful situations you could ever wish to encounter. People die every year from taking drugs that are seen as safe for the vast majority of the population through rare side effects, anaphylaxis etc

Balance any possible slight neurotoxic effects against a life of debilitating psychiatric illness (as well as things like alcoholism, which is much higher in combat veterans than the normal population) and I think that anybody with an ounce of compassion & insight will see that it could be a very useful thing when used in the right circumstances. I mean, come on, we're talking about clinical use, not necking dodgy pills, possibly with other drugs, then indulging in potentially dangerous activities like dancing in a hot atmosphere without regard for adequate cooling & rehydration.

I sometimes despair at some of the attitudes I read onBL...