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Move to make addicts employable (BBC/Yahoo News)

So you believe that there are enough shitty minimum wage jobs for every unemployed person? What do you base this on?

EDIT: There are about 2.6 million unemployed in the UK, so you need to show me that there are 2.6 million shitty minimum wage vacancies.

obviously i can't show that. had a couple days laboring, switching to another (more consistent) full time job tomorrow, plus doing a 7 day a week 1.5hr/day job, plus got phoned by my old employers (who laid me off) asking if i'd go back. just saying it's not impossible to find.
 
obviously i can't show that. had a couple days laboring, switching to another (more consistent) full time job tomorrow, plus doing a 7 day a week 1.5hr/day job, plus got phoned by my old employers (who laid me off) asking if i'd go back. just saying it's not impossible to find.

If there are fewer jobs than people then it is impossible for everyone to be employed!
 
If I could have D-morph it would get me off the nasty green stuff and make me a damn sight more productive at work.

Write to your MP to tell him in no uncertain detail. Especially if he's on the sub-committee presently investigating drug policy or has colleagues on it to whom he can pass on your thoughts. There are one or two committee members in favour of wider diamorphine prescribing and they need all the public support they can get. If it's true, maybe explain your peers in drug treatment locally are of similar mind but are too disenchanted to bother contacting their elected representatives with their opinions.

I know such shit is a hassle but in reality it's the only way change will come in a very poorly understood area. Drug users are notoriously unpolitical and the present stereotypical perception of what they're like will only change when they learn to use their voice and show otherwise
 
Write to your MP to tell him in no uncertain detail. Especially if he's on the sub-committee presently investigating drug policy or has colleagues on it to whom he can pass on your thoughts. There are one or two committee members in favour of wider diamorphine prescribing and they need all the public support they can get. If it's true, maybe explain your peers in drug treatment locally are of similar mind but are too disenchanted to bother contacting their elected representatives with their opinions.

I know such shit is a hassle but in reality it's the only way change will come in a very poorly understood area. Drug users are notoriously unpolitical and the present stereotypical perception of what they're like will only change when they learn to use their voice and show otherwise

i admire your confidence Charlie as ever but it's over .
I can't see DM being introduced into heroin Treatment ever in any substansial numbers the money no 1

It makes no Political sense for the Parties cos i know their are 300, 000 of us but how many vote ?

I got intouch with my MP a wile back i told you but he wanted nothing to do with it although he helped me get good accommadation .
 
Yeah, brimz, drug policy is a real nest of mares and the one or two MPs with any insight are right up against it.

In a quite outrageous pandering to the pharmaceutical multinationals, not only do they have a seat on every advisory committee ( unlike scientists ) but it's illegal to prescribe or dispense dm for injection in any form other than the dry amps, which are billed at approx 15 times the cost of diamorphine powder. Unbelievable and you can imagine the furore if such price fixing went down in any other area.

But this is 'drugs' and a propaganda machine has worked overtime for decades to ensure citizen voters think exactly what the machine controllers want them to think. The best you can do is to challenge the lie at every opportunity but it's like chipping away at a boulder with nail scissors. Enough nail scissors and it'll crumble to dust but you need a lot of mates and a supreme optimism.
 
Right! But I'd be a lot more hopeful if it wasn't just you and a couple of others who show any concern at the injustice and madness of it all. Maybe it's their inner masochist at work but opiate users seem happy to lie down and accept their lowly, criminal, outsider status. Gay peops and all kinds of ethnics refused to take it any more and improved their lot no end in consequence. But we go along with the game, do all sorts of pretending and, when in trouble, blame everything on 'the drugs', no wonder Joe Citizen thinks we're all a bunch of rubbish
 
I think that this is a good move because it promotes equality and prevents discrimination, but even though the majority of addicts are able to fulfill the job's requirements perfectly there will always be the minority who doesn't care/is too fucked up to care and they will ruin it for everybody else.
 
well, the RIOTT trials in brighton have moved up a step and are being funded for a further 3 years. That's gotta count for something. The idea is to roll out the idea to other Trusts around the country so you never know, a change maybe underway.

If it is changing I'm under no illusion that it'll take a good while to really become accepted though. But on the brightside, the DM prescribing is still in full swing down here (selective as it may be).
 
Cornwall?

Limited success in selling RIOTT to provincial trusts. Commissioner and consultant must both be in favour and willing to become involved - one or the other usually isn't.
 
Do you know the details? RIOTT or permanent, new policy or old, what's needed to qualify and anything else you think relevant? 'd be appreciated, thanks .
 
Do you know the details? RIOTT or permanent, new policy or old, what's needed to qualify and anything else you think relevant? 'd be appreciated, thanks .


I woulda thought you new that Mate .
I heard about it a while back.

Amnesia when you have a second can you send me the info that Charlie requested please . Ta
 
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I woulda thought you new that Mate .
I heard about it a while back.

Amnesia when you have a second can you send me the info that Charlie requested please . Ta


Naw, I know a bit about where the RIOTTs are/were but very little about which areas prescribe diamorphine on a maintenance basis. Addicts have no central data base to tell them what's available where. Possibly it's to prevent an influx of 'drug refugees' to the more liberal areas - I know one area with a liberal reputation was forced to close its doors to new arrivals without referral because so many users were moving there solely in hope of legal supplies - but more likely it's just another example of the shoddy treatment they suffer all down the line. I wonder how many users know what policy applies outside their own manor. Local autonomy is very much the political fashion and drug users are completely at the mercy of a 'postcode lottery'. The manner in which one or two individual in positions of local power choose to interpret their responsibilities determines the treatment you'll receive and, if you've a Commissioner or consultant who likes to play moral policeman, must pack your travelling bag and move on to have any hope of a non-criminal existence.

Crazy or what?
 
In a little synchronicity to emphasise the wisdom of Brimz's philosophy, an email from a member of the Commons sub committee to say they're ''hopeful'' changes will be made to the Drug Laws at the conclusion of their investigations. Of course, this does not mean they're in agreement with all the opinions expressed on these pages or anything dramatic is going to happen overnight. But my correspondent's dry observations on the nature of some of the witnesses before the Committee rather reflect my own and their tone in general suggests our elected representatives - or at least some of them - are not quite as blind as we sometimes think.

More importantly, it seems there may finally be light at the end of the tunnel. If you look at the committee, you'll see it's made up of a couple of reformers, a couple of 'antis' and a majority of in-betweeners. So, if you can string together a sentence or three and don't believe you should lead a diminished existence because of your choice of consciousness-changer, and particularly if you've faced unfairness or unnecessary problems, write and tell them all about it.

Remember MPs are only people. Like the wider populus, if they don't see the drug user as a tattooed obscenity who only rises from the gutter in which he resides in order to scrounge, rob or spread disease they're still vulnerable to the scare stories and myths with which you're all familiar. The wanna-be moral arbiters and social policemen who spread such nonsense have all had their say as usual and laid their familiar arguments before the committee. Previously, nobody from the drug user community could be bothered to correct them, the politicians figured it must therefore be the truth and these misguided souls won by default. In consequence, if you're a drug user, you suffer for their fantasies today.

Here's your chance to change this tradition. The way these things work, if your own story can affect one particular member, it will make him more sympathetic to the arguments of the reformers and may even influence the report - democracy in action, the way it's meant to be.

I know all the reasons to be pessimistic and cynical but put them on hold for a little while and, like the brimz says, give hope a shot. If you've anything to say on either the IDS speech, opiate prescribing or the Drug Laws in general, now is very much the time to choose the right person to whom to write and to say it. You reap what you sow, they say, and you might just make a difference.
 
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it's pretty worrying as it's like state sponsored religion, forced AA/NA, but then we "are a christian country" - DC, so what does it matter?

what pisses me off is people saying "i don't want to work a shitty minimum wage job", that is the fucking score unless you actually TRY.

i don't like cleaning piss, poop and blood off toilets or doing the same thing over and over for ten hours a day but i do love the ££ and drugs it brings without robbing inncoent average people. and i don't have the knowledge or balls to rob bankers.

I've been out of work for 6 months now and if the job centre send me to an interview for a job I don't want I'll tell the interviewer I'm on Methadone and need access to my doctor one afternoon every 6 weeks. Luckily I've been offered some hours back in my old work but I have to go eat a large slice of humble pie first. Don't mind doing that though. The money's not great but the job's OK.
 
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