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Move to make addicts employable (BBC/Yahoo News)

That's fine Charlie but if we don't have people working then where does the cash come from to pay for those that don't work, housing, schools and hospitals for us all?
 
mydrugbuddy said:
...a hell of a lot of people with drugs problems hold down jobs.
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One of our best labourers was a heroin addict. We had to pay him each day cos he couldn't be trusted with his wages weekly, and monthly would probably have killed him! He worked for us for 10 years and was one of the most reliable we had. If he didn't work, he didn't get his gear. He had to stop work cos of an unrelated health problem but I'm still like an auntie to him.

Another we had for several years lived his life on speed. He worked with us Monday to Friday and worked at a market on weekends. Again, very reliable.

Both were entirely trustworthy. That would be my main concern when employing someone. I wouldn't rule out a drug user but if I couldn't trust them, that would be a problem.
 
One thing of which I grow more convinced the older I become, Maxalfie, is that none of the things in which we believe are true in any real or absolute sense. Without sounding too Derrida-esque, our masters decide which truth is most convenient and indoctrinate the rest of us. The best that can be said of the shit we're fed at school is that it teaches us how best to survive in our society, which, unlike that of, say, the rain-forest dweller, isn't natural in the slightest. Why taking LSD has such a big impact or it comes as a surprise when you find penniless third worlders with a greater peace of mind than golden Californians in their mansions. Indeed, drugs in general show you how everything is many-aspected and highly relative. which is why the masters punish their use.

Of course, we're not in the rainforest or on the savannahs and farmers don't last long in Stoke Newington. But sit by the ring road some time and ask yourself what we're all doing with our lives. Most people wake up just in time to die; the rest of our lives we sleepwalk and deny, push our 'is this it?' feelings out of our mind as indicative of poor 'mental health'. Really, we haven't a clue what we're doing here and conform not out of any conviction but essentially from simple fear.

Several generations back, our ancestors were removed from the land and relocated to the factories during the period known as the Industrial Revolution. The change was sold to them as 'progress', the way ahead that would ensure a life of leisure, art and the pursuit of higher ideals for future generations. By the time the manufacturing industries fell into decline, the nation possessed enough wealth for every citizen to be given the equivalent of £200 a week in modern money to lead just such an existence. But the government declined the opportunity in favour of the 'work ethic' and we can only speculate what might have been if they hadn't. But, if you're on the dole, let nobody make you feel guilty; if you haven't earned it, claim on behalf of your ancestors

I don't meet so many people as I once did but, when I do make the rounds, I'm struck by just how many people seem to have given up on the whole game and live lives quite detached from the John Citizen model. A curious historical development as economies implode, a sense of individual powerless remains the zeitgeist angst and a lot of the rich folks keep the plane on standby in case they need to escape the apocalypse. We shall, as they say, just have to see how it goes.
 
Always remember, Valkyrie, that although they may more quickly actualise latent character traits, the drugs in themselves make people no more or less trustworthy than they would otherwise be. It's their prohibition and the excessive costs of the criminal black market into which drug users are forced that does that. I've yet to find anybody able satisfactorily to explain why marijuana and opium are illegal and gin and tobacco are not. A political matter, perhaps, and a most peculiar one at that.
 
maxalfie said:
That's fine Charlie but if we don't have people working then where does the cash come from to pay for those that don't work, housing, schools and hospitals for us all?
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I don't think Charlie is proposing we cease all productive labour indefinitely but he's right that the vast majority of it is unnecessary and if we stopped doing the unnecessary stuff and shared the necessary stuff out then we could spend more of our time watching the clouds go by.
 
Wonder if anyone has counted the numbers of addicts / alkies in work.






cunts
 
I must confess Kate that until recently I was one of those junkie cunts that worked.
I always figured that,ok I am an addict and as an addict I want to do gear everyday if possible.
I knew that if I went on the dole then the amount of gear I could afford each week would be limited but by working I could have about £40 worth of gear every day.
Would have thought more addicts would prefer that to only having a few hits every week or two.
 
kate said:
Wonder if anyone has counted the numbers of...alkies in work.
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We had one in our family who used to buy a bottle of vodka on his way to work. Still did his job quite well by all accounts.

We also had a couple of them when I worked in an office, way back in the 1980s. If you needed to see them about anything, you'd make sure it was in the morning. Everyone just accepted they'd be too pissed after lunch.
 
One lad at my old factory lost his job cos he got found out he was having a crafty toot on his breaks.
One of the electricians there was a full blown alcoholic and would spend his lunch break sat in his car drinking Special Brew. Quite a few folk complained to management about him being pissed at work and managements responce was that as long as he isn't violent or endangers anyone then they weren't prepared to do anything about it.
Talk about double standards.
 
Only times I've ever held down a job of any description was when I had a steady smack habit going. It's the only way to make working shitty, soul-destroying jobs even remotely bearable. It's the same story with many addicts (mainly junkys and alkies amongst those I know of).

Fuck being forced into worse than useless abstainance programmes in order to "justify" my benefits - just give me a modest diamorphine script and I'd still be a tax-payer most likely.

charlie clean said:
I've yet to find anybody able satisfactorily to explain why marijuana and opium are illegal and gin and tobacco are not. A political matter, perhaps, and a most peculiar one at that.
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There was a referendum some time around the height of the gin palace/opium den era in Victorian times (if my occasionally shakey grasp of history isn't again mistaken). Question being which one should be the nation's "acceptable vice" or similar. Alcohol won but apparently not by a huge majority. My how things couldv'e been so very different...
 
kate said:
Wonder if anyone has counted the numbers of addicts / alkies in work.
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I'm one of at least three at my workplace, and that's not counting the factory and the warehouse. The latter of which more or less ran on steadily-worsening coke during the latter half of the previous decade. Alcohol abuse tends to be laughed off, however, whereas my use of illegal drugs is known about and tolerated more or less (weed especially), though regarded with more suspicion from some quarters than the woman who has a lucozade bottle half-full of vodka on her desk and constantly makes incoherent calls to take days off sick.

It's fucked.
 
it's pretty worrying as it's like state sponsored religion, forced AA/NA, but then we "are a christian country" - DC, so what does it matter?

what pisses me off is people saying "i don't want to work a shitty minimum wage job", that is the fucking score unless you actually TRY.

i don't like cleaning piss, poop and blood off toilets or doing the same thing over and over for ten hours a day but i do love the ££ and drugs it brings without robbing inncoent average people. and i don't have the knowledge or balls to rob bankers.
 
i against i said:
what pisses me off is people saying "i don't want to work a shitty minimum wage job", that is the fucking score unless you actually TRY.
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Is that what people say? I honestly don't know, but I've never heard that from anyone. If I did, I would probably sympathise, as the worst paid jobs are often the dirtiest and the sweatiest, but I haven't.
 
knockando said:
Is that what people say? I honestly don't know, but I've never heard that from anyone. If I did, I would probably sympathise, as the worst paid jobs are often the dirtiest and the sweatiest, but I haven't.
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fair it's not something often heard but i don't know how people remain unemployed unless they are refusing shitty jobs. yes, it's not easy to get a job and takes me about 20 applications before getting anywhere, but it's not impossible to get a job. at least where i am.
 
i against i said:
fair it's not something often heard but i don't know how people remain unemployed unless they are refusing shitty jobs. yes, it's not easy to get a job and takes me about 20 applications before getting anywhere, but it's not impossible to get a job. at least where i am.
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So you believe that there are enough shitty minimum wage jobs for every unemployed person? What do you base this on?

EDIT: There are about 2.6 million unemployed in the UK, so you need to show me that there are 2.6 million shitty minimum wage vacancies.
 
Shambles said:
Fuck being forced into worse than useless abstainance programmes in order to "justify" my benefits - just give me a modest diamorphine script and I'd still be a tax-payer most likely.
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that goes without saying for many LT Unemployed addicts.

i wonder if i would be in gain full employment if i was given a DM script all those years ago ?

I'm still a tax player mind ,Class 1 N.I been paying em since i was 16 employed or not
 
charlie clean said:
It's their prohibition and the excessive costs of the criminal black market into which drug users are forced that does that. I've yet to find anybody able satisfactorily to explain why marijuana and opium are illegal and gin and tobacco are not. A political matter, perhaps, and a most peculiar one at that.
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Well they tried prohibiting alcohol in the States about a hundred years ago didnt they. Look where that got them. At least they know from experience that will not work. All it did was make some enterprising & ruthless gangsters very rich, powerful & well connected. A bit like some of todays top-of-the-chain illegal drug dealers i suppose. There's always going to be a market and a lot of money to be made here.
 
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