Most effective PCT

Nah I agree. Hell if you ask any top tier athlete if they could take a compound and win, but it would shorten their life, 99% of the top tier guys would take the compound. I just never thought he was all that impressive, but I think its his attitude rubs me the wrong way, the way he sort of places his view points as gospel. I happen to agree with you that he did what he had to, and that most top athletes not just bodybuilders are not super healthy, hell take boxers and football players( American football) their bodies are just trashed from their chosen sport. But hell, if you shorten your life by a few but love what you do you can not fault them for doing it.
 


THAT is not doing what you have to do to win, that is sacrificing your health for superficial shit!

You can look like that using normal gear amounts and NO SYNTHOL. Im not joking, he was too younge and inexperienced to do what he did. thats fact. im sorry but thats the hard truth.

Don't sacrafice your health for short term gains, when you can so easily build long term gains!!! 2 months ago i took 3 months off training and didn't lose a single bit of muscle. if you do it right, you have it for life. muscle doesn't turn to fat, thats a myth! but synthol in your muscle certainly turns into something you won't want!
 
I just think fly was really trying to say that what we are doing is not necessarily healthy( though Boston was a shit poor example to defend); and I was trying to support that because frankly most AAS users are not doing it in the safest, healthiest fashion. But I happen to agree with you there city, and hell I said above the guy rubs me the wrong way as a preachy self indulgent douche bag. But top tier pro athletes are the ones I was saying are making the right sacrifices in that they do shave a few years off of their lives in pursuit of their sporting goals. look at Ali, Farve, Vohn. You can't tell me that the sacrifices they make on a day to day basis are not warranted in their chosen sports. Whether these goals are long term or short term is really up for debate, and whether they are shortening their lives or just fucking up the quality of the last few years is really just a decision they had to make to be that top 1% of their given sport. You can not really fault them for pursuing their passions, as long as they are ok with the decision then really we can't say shit. What we can do is try to is get the right message out there to counter act clowns like Boston. BTW he dose look like a frosted shit sandwich
 
I kind of liked Nolys idea for PCT, a taper/clomid combo.

But I guess if just running clomid, or a proper taper, are so effective , then there is no reason to try to reinvent the wheel.
 
if your not pro level, you can blast on 200-300mg test a week, for 3 weeks, then cruise on zero test and no ptc, for same length. can do 2 of those and totally recover fine with no ancillaries.

but any more and you risk lots of issues, and this is where its, know your own body, only you know what works for you, don't let other peoples dosage affect your decision.

its the same for weights in the gym, just cause some skinny dude is lifting more doesn't mean you put more on the bar, you lift within your limits, its not a competition.

bodybuilding is about looking good and feeling good. if u wanna lift the most, start powerlifting and get used to being overweight chasing that numbers game.
 
what im doing is 100% healthy, im actually healthier with educated AAS use than if id never taken any.

but i totally agree, and 10yrs ago i was not approaching this lifestyle with health in mind. hence live and learn. and the only reason im sharing my story, hopefully others can learn from my sharing the information others are so reluctant to give "for free"

cough gh15.com forums cough... fuck that mentality. they not interested in whats good, they interested in up the dose, sell more gear.

because its not rocket science. you don't need fancy chems, you don't need fancy sups. thats all smoke screens to empty the pockets of those who don't know better. i couldn't live with myself personally... fuck ive had 3 protein shakes in what, 3 months? all the bs grams of protein per pound is supplement industry funded lies.

no participant in any research eats what i eat, so how is that relevant to me? i don't even agree with the typical bodybuilding diet, wtf is boiled chicken and rice? that isn't nutrition... so much false information its mind boggling, but even bodybuilding shows and pro's have to pretend thats what they eat, we know behind closed doors that is NOT what they eat 24/7. thats seriously unhealthy. but they have sponsors, they have politicians they have to please etc etc. its a business.

there are those that read and just regurgitate, and there are those that question and work things out for themselves.

the way i see it if people find this, they are more likely the 2nd, which is a major reason i don't mind taking the time to write a few sentences, hope it helps, and if anything, generates healthy discussion :)
 
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Genetic Freak I know has said a good deal about the taper. I was never much for that but then again The old school Nolva & Clomid PCT always worked for me. I never really got the shittier sides from clomid or for that matter nolva.

I never chased numbers, or what other cats where doing it was more about how I performed in my day to day job, and really the only thing I obsess over is form. I will go lighter the moment my form starts looking shaky. In the long run this has paid off for me I put up decent numbers, with great form, but you can always keep refining your technique, Hell this November I was finally able to knock out 100 pull ups granted in two sets with a 6o second break between, but for a guy weighing 230lbs that's pretty bad ass. I might not be benching 350 like my buddies I lift with but they sure as shit cant give me 25 pull ups with out kipping after 6 let alone 100 with killer form. They have me in weight but they don't look as good either, and I take less gear.
 
Bostin Loyd on 13g worth of gear wasn't that impressive for 13g, I'm all for the truth but 13g didn't impress me for what he looked like.

Then again, half of his shit was fake he reckons. Still even if half his shit was fake and he was on 6-7g... still not impressed.
 
I kind of liked Nolys idea for PCT, a taper/clomid combo.

But I guess if just running clomid, or a proper taper, are so effective , then there is no reason to try to reinvent the wheel.

It wasn't nolys idea... I'd suggested a taper off, by lowering the exogenous test over about 4 weeks with low dose adex combo, tapering off that too.. The idea was based on minimal polypharmacy which I have advocated on here for a while....

nolys got it wrong when he jumped on 150mg Clomid/day which was totally unnecessary and against the very principals of minimal polypharmacy I had advocated...

nolys....... what did happen to him....??
 
what im doing is 100% healthy, im actually healthier with educated AAS use than if id never taken any.

but i totally agree, and 10yrs ago i was not approaching this lifestyle with health in mind. hence live and learn. and the only reason im sharing my story, hopefully others can learn from my sharing the information others are so reluctant to give "for free"

cough gh15.com forums cough... fuck that mentality. they not interested in whats good, they interested in up the dose, sell more gear.

no participant in any research eats what i eat, so how is that relevant to me? i don't even agree with the typical bodybuilding diet,

there are those that read and just regurgitate, and there are those that question and work things out for themselves.

the way i see it if people find this, they are more likely the 2nd, which is a major reason i don't mind taking the time to write a few sentences, hope it helps, and if anything, generates healthy discussion :)

I don't think here is the place to be bagging GH-15 pal...!!!!

So then, what story have you to share, so we can all learn for free..?

What do you advocate is a correct training and nutritional methodology....?

What's your daily diet..?

What's a typical training plan..?

What do you lift on press, squat, dead-lift..?

What is your current cycle..?

How long have you been lifting..?

How long have you been on gear..?


Enlighten us.... (for free)
 
lol Yeah GF i had to say that about nolys and the taper you have been a solid proponent of that idea long before hand.
 
my lifting numbers? exactly how relevant is that? we bodybuilders. get over it. your making this personal.

smells like gh15 got deep pockets.
 
I don't think here is the place to be bagging GH-15 pal...!!!!

So then, what story have you to share, so we can all learn for free..?

What do you advocate is a correct training and nutritional methodology....?

What's your daily diet..?

What's a typical training plan..?

What do you lift on press, squat, dead-lift..?

What is your current cycle..?

How long have you been lifting..?

How long have you been on gear..?


Enlighten us.... (for free)

use the search function and read. wow i've answered all these in todays posts already, you want me to repeat myself?

seriously?
 
It wasn't nolys idea... I'd suggested a taper off, by lowering the exogenous test over about 4 weeks with low dose adex combo, tapering off that too.. The idea was based on minimal polypharmacy which I have advocated on here for a while....

nolys got it wrong when he jumped on 150mg Clomid/day which was totally unnecessary and against the very principals of minimal polypharmacy I had advocated...

nolys....... what did happen to him....??

I liked the concept, not the way Nolys did it. Even Nolys says the way that he actually did it was stupid, but that he learned from it.
 
what im doing is 100% healthy, im actually healthier with educated AAS use than if id never taken any.

but i totally agree, and 10yrs ago i was not approaching this lifestyle with health in mind. hence live and learn. and the only reason im sharing my story, hopefully others can learn from my sharing the information others are so reluctant to give "for free"

cough gh15.com forums cough... fuck that mentality. they not interested in whats good, they interested in up the dose, sell more gear.

because its not rocket science. you don't need fancy chems, you don't need fancy sups. thats all smoke screens to empty the pockets of those who don't know better. i couldn't live with myself personally... fuck ive had 3 protein shakes in what, 3 months? all the bs grams of protein per pound is supplement industry funded lies.

no participant in any research eats what i eat, so how is that relevant to me? i don't even agree with the typical bodybuilding diet, wtf is boiled chicken and rice? that isn't nutrition... so much false information its mind boggling, but even bodybuilding shows and pro's have to pretend thats what they eat, we know behind closed doors that is NOT what they eat 24/7. thats seriously unhealthy. but they have sponsors, they have politicians they have to please etc etc. its a business.

there are those that read and just regurgitate, and there are those that question and work things out for themselves.

the way i see it if people find this, they are more likely the 2nd, which is a major reason i don't mind taking the time to write a few sentences, hope it helps, and if anything, generates healthy discussion :)




You've previously made statements, which suggest your diet and training methodology are quite radical as opposed to what is normally accepted protocol within competition Body-building, of which you have offered to share with us on Blue-light for free...

Your quote: which is a major reason i don't mind taking the time to write a few sentences

I have been involved in competition Body-building and Power-lifting for over 30 years, I would very much welcome a fresh or novel new approach suggested by yourself therefore I will repeat myself:


So then, what story have you to share, so we can all learn for free..?

What do you advocate is a correct training and nutritional methodology....?

What's your daily diet..?

What's a typical training plan..?

What is your current cycle..?

How long have you been lifting..?

How long have you been on gear..?


Enlighten us.... (for free)
 
Hey Genetic Freak

12yrs ago i was 62kg and in my 20's, i didn't like it, my arms were smaller than most girls. So made a conscious decision to eat better, start training and add side to become a man, an adult.

It started with swimming and eating more meats, my research started with diets, i read alot of lyle mcdonalds udl 2.0 based on the older dan duchane (spell?) of the previous era. Then i got into keto and CKD and a few other types. After that i adapted it to how i feel, i found out you don't need to hit ketogenic stage to burn fat and build muscle, you just have to vary your carbs to keep the body guessing, as it adapts you change your carbs again and its always adapting and changing and you dont platou.
For the last year or so i use mike dolce's advice, his general principle is;
- eat every 2 to 4hrs, depending what you just did and what your about to do (while awake)
- eat till your satisfied not until your full
- whole foods, nothing processed
- don't count calories, make caloires count BOOM!

Its extremely sustainable, and isn't super expensive. its the easiest to follow and it works. he's got a great podcast http://themikedolceshow.com/
Right now my meat source is tuna steaks (bought raw and home cooked with sesame seed coating).
so its either an omelette with baby spinich, or tuna with vege or tuna and couscous, with fruits and raw non salted cashews/macadamia/almods between meals.
i don't drink milk or eat bread. i have some almond milk (hippie milk) if i need something like that. Pre prepare all my meals in bulk and its ready to go, my work is all 12hr night shifts, so over the last 10yrs this cooking/prepping has become a staple. i cook like 3x a week and every single meal is ready to go and fresh as fuck.

I started putting on size pretty quickly, before i knew it i was 72kg and because was from a skinny background the body was taking shape nicely.
i started gear about 5yrs after started training correctly. it was a bodybuilding 4 day split, all the majors (squat, bench, deadlifts) and then alot of isolation to finish up.
First cycle put on 10kg in 12 weeks. Alot of that was water. but it did train my body to grow. strength went insane and post cycle i got injured...
after a few test cycled i added some tren and trained for a bodybuilding comp (was turning 30 and "wanted to prove i still had it"). well it didn't go to plan, i was still very stupid and narrow minded, my diet was CKD at the time and i was eating a shitload of dairy in the way of cheese, way too much red meat and although i did make unreal gains and most of how i look today is a reflection of that cycle but i did it wrong... live and learn. have been as heavy as 94kg on cycle @ 5'9

Now 5yrs later i am only just becoming more informed, the diet has evolved in leaps and bounds, no gluten, no dairy, minimal wheat. cutting out caffeine and other stress triggers in my life has also helped.

I have some life long friends who took me under their wing and trained me. one is a very accomplished powerlifter who is natural, and his knowledge is light years ahead of mine! Tho i prefer to use the kiss method, keep it simple stupid. this is bodybuilding after all, its not rocket science.

sometimes the science journals are whats holding people back, over thinking everything. i am guilty of that indeed, i way over thought my approach to diet, when the answer was right infront of my face.

stop all that western processed foods. It started when i listened to Michael Pollan and watching the movie The Botany of Desire http://video.pbs.org/video/1283872815/

It made me sit back and think, and listen to more of what he had to say, and it makes sense. Why do we have the obese population if we have better knowledge and better access to food? Simple, the knowledge passed on is gov regulated, it comes from schools, media and religion. Its wrong advice, its more about keeping the economy and profits going than it is about looking after our health and the earth we live on.

Who else influences me? Robb Wolf of the Paleo Solution. Im not paleo and i don't agree we need to be quite that drastic, but when it comes to autoimmune problems, stress, poor sleep... This podcast has general knowledge that everyone should pay attention to. http://robbwolf.com/podcast/

So it comes down to sleep (we produce 80% of hgh and majority of testosterone during slow wave sleep, stage 3) and the food we eat. That will optimize the body, then later you can supercharge it with exogenous testosterone.

Currently on a re-body compoisition period, did a small bulk followed by cut and have lost 12kg in 13 weeks. I have about 3-5kg to go. currently off everything and have recovered and still full and losing bf. once i get to single digit, must be 12-15% atm, all abs showing but no lower ab veins (thats my trouble spot which will go once under 10%), obliques starting to show. Under 10 and i will add in test and perhaps do a show.
 
i believe in micro nutrients, and making calories count. not this pretend food that has protein/carbs/fats, but no vitamins and minerals that actually run the body and its reactions in the background. and taking pills to get this isn't the way our body was designed. we designed to get it from food. once you master this area, putting on muscle is a walk in the park! or cutting off fat, depending on your goals and what you want to see in the mirror.

hope this helps
 
Ok so you are into the natural thing? As far as protein sources, from meats what is your go to mate? I may be a little more extreme then you in that respect as I tend to eat seasonally, and locally, to the point where a good 85-90% of my meats come from some thing I have personally killed, or traded for or bought from a few of the local butchers/farms: and let me tell you chicken when raised properly is not bland. I get a large portion of my animal protein from pork ( feral hogs) as there is no limit for them in Pa, and a good week end hunt at a few farms in my area will yield a min of 3 hogs at say 300lbs after the loss of the inedible pieces ( I save hearts, kidneys, livers). What I don't get is unless you have a specific allergy to or suffer from celiac there really is not reason to not eat wheat. Granted eating over processed any thing is well not worth it but eating, a moderate supply of whole, minimally or un-processed grains is not bad. I may nto subscribe to all of your ideas, the dairy thing for one I love dairy, though I have began consuming less cow's milk and more goats milk ( lucked into a friendship with a goat farmer and cheese maker in New Jersey) that is unpasteurized and raw, and my GI track has been rock and roll for it. Though I do consume rice and almond milk and sheeps milk when I can get a hand on it shit is soo tasty. The point being I cant live with out my dairy, and make allowances for it. BTW the tuna thing is great but with current over fishing of tuna it is on my short list of don't eat too much. Now you can get first class sushi grade farm raised tuna( organic none the less no hormones or antibiotics) from a few sources in the Caspian sea and right of the coast in Croatia in the Adriatic may cost more but it is sustainable, the Japanese are even buying from these sources. but I digress on the tuna. A little FYI a good portion of autoimmune issues are genetic, and though diet and what have you can help them you will never be rid of an Autoimmune issue.

Like I said I can get behind a lot of this, with your diet laid out here for us I peak at your training schedule woudl be a nice addition to the picture, as you did cover it a bit but not too much.
 
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