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Morphine - Can it be detected in a drug test subject takes codeine/co-codamol

saadman

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I am prescribed codeine and cocodamol and occasionally have to do a drug test for my driving license .the day before my screening I took some morphine.
Will they detect this or will it just be counted as a metabolite/.byproduct of the codeine?
 
I am prescribed codeine and cocodamol and occasionally have to do a drug test for my driving license .the day before my screening I took some morphine.
Will they detect this or will it just be counted as a metabolite/.byproduct of the codeine?

Let them know the medications you take and they will excuse the morphine as codeine is a prodrug that turns into morphine.
 
Yes that’s what I’m counting on basically… there’d be no way they couldn’t tell “wait a second that morphine is pure morphine and didn’t come from the codein”
 
My understanding, and I'm pretty confident in this, is that you will only test positive for Morphine. I believe in the reverse, a person prescribed Morphine could test positive for Codeine.

However, the vast majority of tests are only going to test for Morphine/Heroin. I imagine pain management or probation/parole would apply a more rigorous test. For something like this, I doubt they'll go beyond a standard test.

We typically don't do drug testing threads but this one seemed cut and dry.
 
My understanding, and I'm pretty confident in this, is that you will only test positive for Morphine. I believe in the reverse, a person prescribed Morphine could test positive for Codeine.

However, the vast majority of tests are only going to test for Morphine/Heroin. I imagine pain management or probation/parole would apply a more rigorous test. For something like this, I doubt they'll go beyond a standard test.

We typically don't do drug testing threads but this one seemed cut and dry.
IME the standard tests test for just the broad spectrum of opiates/amphetamines, not any specific ones and almost anywhere that isn’t the two exceptions you mentioned won’t even have any other tests or question why you popped for any drug class if you can provide proof of prescription. Proof of one, cause believe me they won’t believe if you just say you have one 😂

The only issue I could see you having is if it’s a new prescription and the tests are because you have a CDL/Hazmat license. I think it varies state to state in the US, could be wrong, could even be more on a county level but my brother got prescribed opiate pain meds after a back injury and was told he couldn’t drive his truck until he was off the meds or if they were long term until he was used to them. He was only on them for a few weeks so was told he couldn’t work the entire time. I’m honestly not sure if it was the DMV, his employer or somewhere else but because he was on pain meds he was forced out of work until he was off, he has a Hazmat license and used to drive gas tankers so I could see why but just a heads up if you’re in a similar case.

To answer the question though, no. They definitely won’t be able to tell the difference unless they send a sample to a lab that does testing for drug-specific metabolites or happen to carry those type of tests which I highly, highly doubt.
 
My understanding, and I'm pretty confident in this, is that you will only test positive for Morphine. I believe in the reverse, a person prescribed Morphine could test positive for Codeine.

However, the vast majority of tests are only going to test for Morphine/Heroin. I imagine pain management or probation/parole would apply a more rigorous test. For something like this, I doubt they'll go beyond a standard test.

We typically don't do drug testing threads but this one seemed cut and dry.
I think maybe there was a little misunderstanding. I’m prescribed cocodamol (codeine) but about 24 hours before a drug test I took some morphine. Will the morphine be discounted as just an expected result due to my codeine prescription or will there be a way to deduce I also took morphine as well?

It’s quite important as it is to permit my taxi driving licence which I need to work so I can support our young toddler and put my wife through university. (Don’t worry I would never drive with customers if I felt in any way inebriated- I just have very bad neck and shoulder problem which is why I am given the cocodamol in the first place but sometimes after a long day the cocodamol doesn’t cut it and a friend gives me some oramorph which he doesn’t use)
 
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Even if they tested the concentrations of codeine and morpine in your body, you could just say that you're a fast metabolizer, so the amount of morphine can be high. But I don't think they would go that far. Just show the codeine script and you should be fine.
 
I think maybe there was a little misunderstanding. I’m prescribed cocodamol (codeine) but about 24 hours before a drug test I took some morphine. Will the morphine be discounted as just an expected result due to my codeine prescription or will there be a way to deduce I also took morphine as well?

It’s quite important as it is to permit my taxi driving licence which I need to work so I can support our young toddler and put my wife through university. (Don’t worry I would never drive with customers if I felt in any way inebriated- I just have very bad neck and shoulder problem which is why I am given the cocodamol in the first place but sometimes after a long day the cocodamol doesn’t cut it and a friend gives me some oramorph which he doesn’t use)
I find it very unlikely they will have a test that can determine exactly which type of opiate you took unless they send it in for further reading because you popped for opiates. If they’re aware beforehand that you’re on opiate pain meds I doubt there will even be a question when you piss dirty for it. I’d be very surprised if they could determine what exactly you’ve been on and even if so if they could tell the difference as codeine converts to morphine in your body
 
I think they do send it for lab analysis.
I had a whole issue because I had taken over the counter paramol the last test and didn’t mention it cuz they were only asking about what I was prescribed and I kinda consider it the same as codeine even though it’s technically “dihydrocodeine”
I ended up having to pay a solicitor to appeal it and an expert to conclude that paramol is indeed available as an over the counter medication and would explain the DHC.
I remember they did have a breakdown of metabolites and their concentrations which is why I’m a little worried about it.

I think my best bet should they make an issue again is as a previous poster suggested that I must just be a fast metaboliser.
 
I think they do send it for lab analysis.
I had a whole issue because I had taken over the counter paramol the last test and didn’t mention it cuz they were only asking about what I was prescribed and I kinda consider it the same as codeine even though it’s technically “dihydrocodeine”
I ended up having to pay a solicitor to appeal it and an expert to conclude that paramol is indeed available as an over the counter medication and would explain the DHC.
I remember they did have a breakdown of metabolites and their concentrations which is why I’m a little worried about it.

I think my best bet should they make an issue again is as a previous poster suggested that I must just be a fast metaboliser.
Ah, that info definitely would have been useful before lol. I think it’s very hard to tell the difference unless you’ve been taking a lot of morphine, even under lab analysis. I’ll post the portion of the article I just read that seems to state that

“orphine is also a product of codeine and heroin metabolism [36]. Distinguishing morphine use versus metabolic conversion is sometimes difficult. Detection of the heroin-specific metabolite, 6-monoacetyl-morphine, while not always present especially at remote times relative to drug use, confirms the use of heroin [40]. The presence of morphine may also occur simply due to eating baked goods containing poppy seeds, which naturally contain small amounts of morphine and codeine [41]. Quantitative analysis may aid in the interpretation of urine drug screening results involving morphine and other drugs. Poppy seeds rarely yield urine morphine concentrations >2,000 ng/mL [42]. Morphine or heroin abuse generally yields concentrations much higher [40]. The ratio of morphine to codeine can also be helpful in cases where both drugs are detected [4346]. A ratio of morphine to codeine that is >2:1 is consistent with heroin or poppy seed ingestion. Hydromorphone concentrations from metabolism of morphine rarely exceed ∼2 % of the morphine concentration in urine [37]. Thus, higher concentrations relative to morphine would suggest use of hydromorphone rather than metabolic conversion from morphine.

Codeine, another widely available prescription opioid drug, derives its primary analgesic effect through metabolic conversion to morphine via the action of the CYP450 enzyme, CYP2D6 [47, 48]. It is therefore expected that most patients taking codeine will have significant quantities of morphine in their urine; however, poor metabolizers may have significantly less or no detectable morphine. Although the majority of codeine is metabolized to morphine, a small quantity of codeine is also converted to hydrocodone with concentrations that can exceed 100 ng/mL with high doses [49]. The presence of codeine in the urine also does not always indicate the use of codeine-containing medications. A small quantity of codeine is present in poppy seeds along with morphine, and it may appear in the urine following consumption of poppy seeds [41, 42]. It has also been observed in small quantities (∼0.03 % of the morphine concentration) in patients on chronic morphine therapy [50]. Although difficult to confirm, the authors postulate that the source of codeine in these cases may derive from contamination of morphine with codeine sulfate derived during the manufacturing process as an impurity.“

It seems that unless you take morphine with enough frequency that there’s detectable levels of hydromorphone metabolites they can’t really tell the difference. I’m not sure on this but it sounds like a one time use isn’t going to produce enough to be detectable. To my understanding, as long as there’s a decent amount of codeine metabolites in your urine it’s going to appear that you’re only taking codeine. Although if you’re a fast metabolizer you may show similar concentration as taking morphine, and if you’re a slow metabolizer you’ll have almost no morphine metabolites.

I really doubt a one time use is going to effect the amounts enough that even under lab analysis they’re going to be able to say for sure you took illegitimate morphine. There’s quite a few common foods and drinks that speed up/slow the enzymes that metabolize codeine so there’s tons of plausible deniability as to why you may have slightly higher morphine metabolites than the average codeine user. But as far as I can tell any screening isn’t going to show anything out of the ordinary as there’s no perfect conversion levels to base it off of
 
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