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Germination Advice

despite whats said on the net on several sites, scarification of the seed is NOT neccissary or even desirable. simply soak the seeds in water overnight and they will swell up, causing the seedcoat to 'burst'

then sow them into soil at a depth of about 1 cm. i used equal parts potting mix(highest quality i could get), vermiculite and 'seed raising' potting mix (contains peat ans coarse sand). keep them moist but not too wet, you know the drill :)

temps at 20 degC are ideal, but mine germinated fine at about 10 so yeah :) they should pop up in a few days. If the seedling has not shed it seedcoat when it pops up, wait until the leaves are formed, and if its still there then moisten it repeatedly for about an hour, it should go very soft and can now be easily removed. i damaged som plants trying to remove a dry seedcoat, and one seedling couldnt break the coat open (must have dried prematurely) and after i cut it off, the plant is pretty dead looking.

so keep em warm and moist for best germination! keep the seedcoat wet to prevent problems here.

i have lots of little pots ready to go with the above mix, but an equal part of coconut peat to give the soil some structure. eventuall they will be transplanted to large pots with coarse sand and perlite added to the misture, so they drain well. (morning glories produce few flowers and therefore seeds if you keep the roots wet)

since i desire vertical growth i will let the plants become rootbound, as otherwise they tend to sendout runners instead of growing upwards.

then on to the final pot, a quite large one that will hopefully allow the plant to grow big and flower well. cannot plant in the ground as the area im puttin them is caprock and the soils like 1-4 cm depth !! lol

i read that morning glory is a perennial vine grown as an annual. its drought resistant, frost tender and native to mexico.

this leads me to belive that its the cold winter period that kills the plant, and therefore they should be given as much time as possible to mature before the cold gets them... ive started them indoors and they will be going outside at the start of spring, once they are established. this should give me the maximum time possible for the plants to mature and hopefully my theory will yield sme results :)
 
this ones for u perthie :) perhaps when i get some nice plants i can give u all the seeds u can ever eat, but until then go track em down :)

unfortunately morny glories are classified as weeds making them illegal to sell.

nurseries wont have em, ive checked through alot of perth nurseries!!! you might find the purple flowered, 5 finger leaf variety with a knobbly stem, but it has no seeds and no value as a pschoactive. most likely youll get sold a moonflower with the comm0on name 'morning glory', which has little oval leaves and white flowers. i think its poisonous so steer clear of nurseries alltogether.

youll need internet seeds from within australia that are treated to prevent consumption. otherwise its not legal. and there is numerous legal sources of high quality MG seed operating within australia.

can get 50 seeds for $5, i bought 200 and actually got more like 300 so this is a good supplier. they are the seeds im currently germinating so i can confirm they have excellent germination success. this is the 'west indies' variety
seeds are treated with food grade sulphur making them legal and edible so you wont have any worries there

i wish u luck ;) i ate 20 of these seeds and smoked a couple of buckets and was WRECKED so yes they do work :D

and wow gardening is so relaxing !!! someone rammed into the rear end of my car while i was stopped at a red light at full speed giving me whiplash and totalling my car. but i remained compeltely calm and didnt even really care, i was just glad i wasnt dead and wished the guy all the best. now thats just bizarre...
 
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here is a *lovely* pic of the inactive morning glory that duped me at first, notice the five pointed leaf and solid purple colouration in the flower :) only useful for ornamental purposes so unless you want a pretty garden dont bother with it...

http://plantsdatabase.com/showpicture/754/

and here we have an LSA containing morning glory ! yahoo ! note the heart shaped leaves !!! this seems to be the distinctive mark of a pychoactive MG !!!

http://plantsdatabase.com/showpicture/7763/

this ones for you chucky, can you possibly confirm if this is the 'no seeds' variety by comparing leaf shape?? this one has a 3 pointed leaf like ivy.

that should be a good start to weeding out the weeds from the weeds :D :D
 
just an update, my MG seedlings are growing fantastic =D they have popped out a large heart shape leaf and are growing their second. starting to show signs of rootbound, so im going to transplant them tonight, from thier seedling punnets into the small pots. hopefully i have the heating and lighting required to handle them!!!

currently using 2 flouros in a box, with a small single tray heating pad (26 C) which is fine when theyre all in one tray, but the pots will effectively multiply the area to heat and light by about 10 8( . thinking of upgrading them to a 600W HPS, that should get them cranking i reckon !!!

its the deep dark winter here, and its probably too cold to put them out for about 2-3 months ... buti put a single MG plant outside to be my 'canary' to see if the little guys can stand the cold.

im also wondering exactly what conditions cause them to die off seasonally. i will be experimenting on this, to figure out whether its the low temperatures or excess water, or both. hopefully i can figure out the best way to grow and harvest MG in our climate.

thats all for now, exept for an appeal for anyone whos tried growing MG to add anything they can to the thread. phase_dancer... do you remember what ime of year you planted your heavenly blues, and when they died? thanks :)
 
While on this topic I was just wondering if the different forms of LSA, affected the outcome. eg hawaiin baby wood rose, sleepy grass (w/e)etc.
Is the trip different to morning glory? How do they compare?
 
i have no idea, and dont intend on becoming an LSA fiend. think ill stick to corymbosa and MG rather than HBWR, as they have a history of spriritual use... plus woodrose seeds look like scary faces. like screaming people trapped inside seeds!!!

the morning glory plants have really shot up since the last post, a big skinny single vine thats almost 2' tall !!! they are kicking ass since the transplant. it is indeed a very vigorous strain, but im growing pearly gates and heavenly blue to compare. the woodrose and corymbosa plants are more promising for seed vield, as they grow a woody stem and can be pruned back and brought inside through winter. unlike the annual MG vines.

i have a nice variety of flowing creepers, ive got them under a 600W HPS now so its all rocking along :)
 
Hey DeSpise good to see some fellow perthites on the BL, how bout another update man? I found the same site as you used for the $5 - 50 seeds west indies ones i think and ordered up 500 of the buggers the other day. I was just wondering, have u taken the various varieties recreationally yet and if so how do they stack up to each other? You got a recommendation?
 
erm, when I was in Amsterdam I needed a break from the mushrooms (2 nights in a row, im not very hard anyway but that 2nd night really got to me :D).

The last mushrooms I had brought were utterly amazing so I figured I would try the same shop and hit on teh sales girl while I was at it. Was lurking around looking at various products when she popped by and asked if I needed help...I pointed to the baby hawaain woodrose seeds noting that they contained LSA and asked if there was any similarity to LSD...she said there was and that they were very popular with some people ordering them in bulk in the 1000's. I figured they must be great so I grabbed 10. She warned me not to take all 10 at once, but considering I hadnt heeded her warning last night about half the dose first and had a great time I would be ok. Dropped the lot...started wandering about. 1/2 an hour later, nothing. One hour later...nothing. 2 hours later...nothing.
Time to go to bed...STILL nothing!!!!!

I was fairly wtf as I was under the impression that as it was my first time ever and I was taking a considerable dose, it would be fairly intense. All I can say is the seeds didnt taste particularly bad or particulary good, and I felt absolutely nothing whatsoever. Don't waste your time...
 
Cyberdyne: looks like someone should have researched before just simply injesting a powerful drug :)

it sounds like you simply swallowed the seeds whole. this will have no effect as you digestive system isnt made to break down woody plant material!!! youd end up with HBWR seeds in your turds... lol thats a funny thought

you have to grind the seeds and soak them in water or something. i say go the traditional method, chewing the seeds for 15-30 mins beofre swallowing them. apparently saliva helps to release more LSA.

your lucky you didnt know what you were doing, cos 10 seeds would be way too intense from reading dosage reports!! value your body and brain and take a small tester dose before leaping headlong into LSA madness. look at the seeds. they look like little screaming faces of people trapped inside seeds. that alone was enoguht to clue me that LSA isnt to be fucked with!!

another possibility is that you were sold the wrong variation of the seeds. there are two (or more??) types of HBWR seeds. the ones you want are called argyreia nervosa var. nervosa what you dont want is the ones called argyreia nervosa var. speciosa

"The main difference between varieties is that the speciosa variety is used medicinally in ayurvedic medicine and the nervosa strain has high LSA alkaloid content. It makes little difference where the strains are grown, but most seed originating from India and Africa is of the speciosa variety and thus low in LSA. These countries are responsible for supplying the vast bulk of all Argyreia seed on the market today. It wholesales for about US$40 per kilo and is available in huge quantities. The nervosa variety on the other hand is in very short supply and wholesales at US$2000 per kilo, but is rarely available in such quantities. The cheap african seed flooded the market sometime after '95. Most of the seed available through ethnobotany supplies before then was of the nervosa variety. However in the last few years ('98 onwards) the african speciosa seed has largely replaced the traditional nervosa seed. As lines of supply became blurred people started paying the nervosa price for speciosa seed and these days a high price is not a guarantee of getting nervosa seed anymore. Even worse, many seedsuppliers (even on Hawaii) have bought in the speciosa variety and are now selling it (quite unknowingly) as nervosa seed. "



BlokeFromOZ... i have only tried a very small dose (20) of 'west indies' seeds in combo with weed. was like a MEGA stoned... actually uncomfortably intense. so i would bet that these seeds are good enuff. they DEFINATELY did something, even in the low dose i used. mind you i am very sensitive to pychadelics, they mess me up hardcore.

for this reason and LSA's rather harsh nature i wont be eating the seeds. at least not right now, one day i might wanna take LSA for a spin but i dont take well to strong psychadelics (body load?????)

so im pretty much growing them for ornamental and botanical research purposes :) they really are a special plant. sorry i cant help ya, but im sure theres some LSA junkies out there somewhere that can advise you better on the whole eating of them.


spose i may as well update my venture while im here, the west indies strain TRULY deserves the name 'vigourous', they have been growing TOO fast!! shot straight up their 2 foot stakes, and merely a day or two after being chopped at the top, new shoots from lower leaves have outgrown the stakes!! theres alot of morning glory heads littering my plant room!!

however the 'commerical' strains, ie 'pearlygate' 'heavenlyblue' are not performing nearly as well. quite slow and sickly plants they are, crappy germination rates too, less than a third of seeds germinating.

the cotyledons are differently shaped too... west indies has nice rounded, thick and lush cotyledon like a green butterfly. the others have 'reddy' coloured ones that are more angular and pointy. same goes for the seeds themselves, west indies looks sorta round and fat and happy, the other strains have very angular sharp pointed seeeds, with a withered appearance.

bring on spring!!! then i can see how these babies take to the australian climate as opposed to growing under HPS inside.

dont think ill bother reporting on the impomoea nil and ipomoea mulleri strains, they are almost identical to the commercial MG's.

HBWR is a great looking little plant though!! large lush butterfly cotyledons and a nice solid stem. seems to be a tad slow to gro, though it may be the cold weather.

corymbosa doesnt seem to have germinated at all!!! might try again on this one... apparently most convalucea (sp) plants prefer a sandy textured soil, but corymbosa in particular.

wow that was a long post! perhaps ill bother to take some pics soon, so i can look back on their growth record
 
I had a nice experience with HBWR at 4 seeds... Not too trippy, bit philosophical, some halos and a fair amount of Euphoria, comparable to MDMA and sedation comparable to Opiates. It was a fun experience potentiated by Cannabis.

I then upped the does to 6 on a later experience, this time it wasn't good, I got sick and my muscles felt really sore, I tripped a tiny bit more seeing a couple of shapes moving and things were kind of warping but that was very mild. I was a bit more philosophical then the last time, but it wasn't a mind fuck, once the sickness passed and i'd thrown up the experience was pretty tame. Not very visual, not too much mindfuck and wasn't as good as the first experience in the euphoria department. Probably because i was sick...

They definitely work, but I think i've had my share of LSA, fun but just doesn't seem worth the side effects.
+i wanted the mindfuck... not the euphoria :(
euphoria comes secondary to the experience in my opinion... You can't take the euphoria with you.
 
hmmmm,
Firstly in my defence :D a) I was looking to still get fairly damn messed up so a high dose was still the idea b) Its Amsterdam! Emphasis is on public safety and so the shops have certain guidelines as to what they are sposed to tell you on sale - they have all done the research for me, im just taking what i know is at least fairly safe and shoving it down my throat :D

Part of the instruction WAS to chew thoroughly, or to soak etc, but I had no idea it was sposed to be that thoroughly...chewed maybe 2-3 minutes each one at a time...was sorta liek popcorn :D If I go again ill make sure i chew chew chew chew chew!
 
they have all done the research for me, im just taking what i know is at least fairly safe and shoving it down my throat
... just because you buy it from a shop doesn't mean it's safe in any dose they'll sell it in ... or at all. They can only anticipate a certain level of common sense...

BigTrancer :)
 
update - 01/03/05

looks like a success :) found my first seed pods today and ripped em open... there was 6 small seeds in one and 4 big seeds in the other.

the seeds are from the vigorous violacea variety supposedly from the west indies.

due to an *ahem* extreme culling procedure (which involved neglecting the plants until almost all of them were dead!!!!) only these two plants of the above strain survived, along with some HBWR (which are still very small... still look like seedlings)

the plants are probably 3-4' high, and have one or two flowers on them every morning. they must pollenate easily or something because there is never many flowers open at once.

so there it is folks... proof that you can indeed grow MG seed in australia (well in WA anyway)

they were started indoors in winter and moved out when the weather was hot... but were basically starved and neglected for a long time so the plants are very weedy and stunted.

with the excellent growth of these plants i think you could grow a bundle of seeds quite cheaply and easily, in ideal conditions. i will keep updating when the plants die off and what their total seed yield was etc, and try for success with some other MG strains.
 
yeah I had the Hawiian Baby Woodrose Seeds from an Amsterdam smart shop... I crushed them up with pliers and put them to soak for a day in water... I drank the aweful tasting mess but even after 2 or 3 hours felt nothing that noticeable... maybe slighly more peaseful or relaxed but definatly not tripping at all... and I've had both weak and strong LSD before... I made sure I was away from all the Amsterdan chaos... I caught a train to the beach so I was sure if there were any effects I would have noticed them. Unfortunatly there was not... and that was from taking all ten together.

Does this sound like the seeds were just from the poor variety or did I leave the seeds to soak for too long or what?
 

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i would say that if you felt nothing from 10 seeds they were probably the crappy sort... apparently theres no way to really tell them apart easily...

if you try it again err on the side of caution and maybe try 5 seeds if you do it again... 10 is a pretty high dose if they are the right variety!!

more seed pods on my MG's to... this plant is quite a little factory :) it grows like mad and pumps out the seeds :D
 
Ive seen morning glory grow like weeds in a lot of places. You dont need any fancy set up, it grows like the plague.
Ive seen it growing in NZ and Australia
 
your probably thinking of one of the other strains. theres dozens of strains of MG but only certain ones are useful as a psychoactive.

those morning glory strains that grow like weeds dont make seeds either... they reproduce vegetatively(sp)

next time you see one try and find a seed pod... and check the shape of the leaves... if it has 'fingered' leaves and no seeds then its no use as a psychoactive.
 
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