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mindfulness/meditation VS. escaping reality

YellowPolkaDotHalo said:
Thats so profound and honest Malakaix. How do you think your insight into your 'martyring' is going to change your life? :) <3
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Hopefully i'll learn greater acceptance.. 'Joy' is still something of a mystery to me, we lose ourselves or at least our ideals of ourselves in the midst of happiness/joy as we come into the moment.. and with that comes the realization that your no more important then anyone else, all the meaning you've attributed to your existence through your own personal suffering and struggles seemingly slips away.. this is still difficult for me to accept because you begin to see the meaninglessness of everything; it's absolutely liberating because no-thing has more meaning then anything else.. it's all one, including you.. and that can be rather disillusioning to the self that has defined itself through personal suffering.

The bizarre thing is, i realized all of this years ago with psychedelics.. but it's taken a long time of sobriety to really understand the details.
 
^you're outlining a view that is demented in my opinion. Sure, it's a common place mentality, look at all of its consequences everywhere... it is but one view among many. We must earn everything. We must not think anything other than the rightful/natural consequences of our actions are going to happen, though.
 
I think we expect justice, fairness and mercy and when our expectations are frustrated we suffer. Why should the cosmos be just, fair and merciful to us?
 
I know this, but what I mean to point out is why should we expect mercy in general? What does it mean for the universe to be merciful in relation to our lives? What does it mean for people to be merciful to us? What position are we in where someone would have the ability to be merciful to us? Have we let someone down, yet still expect their support? Have we taken too much for granted, yet still expect to get our way? Have we done someone wrong, yet expect forgiveness? Have we not pulled our own weight, yet still expect to live healthy and happily?
I think a lot of what we choose to do we base it not out of expectation of mercy, unless you need mercy, but out of the desire to feel comfortable within our own lives. The tasks that we must do in order to feel comfortable throughout life are in all ways the same as meditation except for 1 thing, with meditation we are complete within our selves and minds, with most everything else it's being done to go from point A to B in one way or another.
What is the point of this thread? A person feeling concerned that the very real experiences he was having might be looked at as a waste of time? How could it be a waste of time, and how could it hurt him, really, unless he lets it? Obviously meditation isn't everything, but the act itself is enlightenment, and the act of repeating it is the process of being steeped in the world as it is uncolored by concepts/words/associations/etc. the act of raising awareness of the wider world.
 
I think that regardless of what you spend your time in meditation doing just the process of rearranging the neurons and thinking about what you are thinking about is the point. Are we not conceptually higher beings of spiritual construct if we have the aptitude to do so?

Notice how the words "I think" constitute meaning and convey an idea to the reader who is able to comprehend my own concept of what meditation is regardless of where they are or their basic understanding of the mind. Whatever you believe to be true about your meditative practices it cannot possibly be wrong since your experience of the present is only what you experience which is deeply personal.
 
I have often questioned this concept myself.

This answer I have garnered is that personally I do enjoy a abliet short recess from reality. Now where does the inherent fault lie with this. Well if I become unable to handle reality in itself and have to use a substance to cope with mere existence then I have a problem and should immediatly check my usage.

However if I use a substance (however often although I do have rules for encouragement) and i can cope with reality without it then I'm within my inherent human right of experience and pursuit of happiness.

The essential factor in this examination is pain. If I am in pain do I quickly run to that substance or can I sit down and reason with myself and work out a reasonable solution. If I can then I'm not escaping reality but pursuing happiness and epiphany. If I can't then I need to immediatly check my usage and if this is not possibly check myself into rehab.

I'm happy to say I stopped smoking all forms of incense recently as well as ciggarettes have remained so since june. I've never been happier.
 
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