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Millionnaires have some more money

Sorry, it was the crying about Bush/Blair and the illegal war rhetoric which confused me. But give me some credit, its not as stupid as fighting for something I don't believe in for 9 years LOL. I'm English you dense cunt. And as for kicking the shit out of me, I doubt it. I'd just tell you your laces were undone and by the time you'd figured out they weren't I'd be long gone :)

Move over there you'll be much happier.
 
Move over there you'll be much happier.

I'm not a fan of America. It's wierd but when I don't like something or don't believe in something I don't do it. It's a real shame you don't hacve a time machine to go and explain such a simple conecpt to your younger self isn't it? I guess if it helps you sleep at night to tell yourself that it is my fault you went to war because I vote Conservative, and not yours because you chose to do it with your own free will, then who am I to deprive you of that? I just hate the idea of another tree being felled to make tissues for your teary eyes, so please do keep blaming everyone but yourself and maybe together we will eventually save a forest :)

Ill even get one of my rich friends to get you some sort of weights set so you can build up the strength of your spine so that you can have the balls to say no to things you feel are wrong in the future. Anything you can think of to stop your retarded resentment of the wealthy please let me know.
 
MSB, I admit I sometimes sympathise and am impressed with you because you are like a lone voice in the wilderness standing up for the indefensible, and that's quite brave, or at least it can look brave, but your inability to show any understanding of MOP's story is, itself, indefensible.
 
MSB, I admit I sometimes sympathise and am impressed with you because you are like a lone voice in the wilderness standing up for the indefensible, and that's quite brave, or at least it can look brave, but your inability to show any understanding of MOP's story is, itself, indefensible.

Bang on the money!

It's the same blindness of a cunt like him that loved shooting poor working class boys on the front line because they suffered shell shock, battle fatigue, PTSD or whatever the boffins want to call it.

By the way my shoelaces are always tied and there are worse timebombs than me travelling on trains watching cunts like you.

Enjoy for now :)
 
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They may well avoid tax, but the top 1% still pay 25% of all the income tax in the entire country (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...of-workers-pay-quarter-of-all-income-tax.html). Maybe if people tried saying 'thank you', instead of 'more more more', they might be more inclined to pay it? I know I would. It would seriously piss me off that so many people had an entitlement complex to my money just because I live on the same island as them. I honestly don't think that they could ever give enough or be taxed enough to satisfy moaners... At the end of the day I understand taxing them based on need, but not on want. People need to eat, and they need to have shelter. They don't need luxuries, they just want them.

I also think there is a psychological barrier at around the 50% tax mark. The best example that we have is when income tax was dropped from 60% to 40%, yet miraculously the tax take tripled.

As for applauding SHM for his comments in this thread: He has made no points with regard to the budget, or for that matter anything else aside from stating his views on conservatives and making vague postulations that yesterday was better than today, as if everyone doesn't do that - even Chinese people who still worship at the feet of Mao statues. Basically, he has just been his usual prickish self, which is hardly worthy of praise. You are just backing him up because you agree with his ideologically driven nonsense, an example of which would be that you think people who are on the sick somehow pay more tax than rich people, when the facts clearly show the top 1% pay 25% of income tax. Will you or anyone else change your view point in light of the actual evidence? Doubtful. But it was worth a try :|

I may have been pissed when I posted me post but not overcome by a sudden attack of the stoooopids. Obviously I don't literally pay more tax than rich cunts nor any other cunts - don't really pay (income) tax at all at the moment unless it's deducted from benefits. Point I was - admittedly rather badly and somewhat rantily - trying to make was more about willingness to pay tax. Over and above the minimum I could get away with sometimes. Cos it's for the greater good and I know damn well that I'll never be able to pay enough in to cover what I get back for it.

Leaving aside the arguments about there should even be such a thing as rich cunts and poor cunts in the first place, it's the avoidance thing that pisses me off. Rich cunts basically become rich cunts in one of two ways - rich daddy cunt dies or lots of poor cunts put in the donkey work to earn money to produce another rich cunt. In both situations that money tends to stay put - in foreign bank accounts mainly - so it's no good to anyone but the rich cunt. Where's the incentive for the rest of us to keep funding the lifestyle of parasites? Not so much trickle down as handed over from us to them and they don't even have the decency to pay tax on it. And spend fortunes finding ways to pay as little as possible. Then get knighted for being such a great example to the rest of us.

It's not that I think "we" deserve "their" money. More like it's not "their" money to be hoarding in the first place. What's the point of telephone number bank balances when they do fuck all but make more money for people who already have quite enough and do sod all with it but accumulate more? If you're lucky or talented enough to have one of those telephone number bank balances then surely using it to do something useful with it - like maybe paying the amount of tax you're legally obliged to to give others a leg up (or a roof over their heads, food in their bellies, better health care, schools and all that good stuff) - is just basic human decency and common sense. You'd like to think anyway.

PS: Happy birthday, ya rich fascist yank cunt ya ;)
 
MSB, I admit I sometimes sympathise and am impressed with you because you are like a lone voice in the wilderness standing up for the indefensible, and that's quite brave, or at least it can look brave, but your inability to show any understanding of MOP's story is, itself, indefensible.

I understand MOPs story completely. What I refuse to accept is him blaming me and calling me scum because he made poor decisions. Why should I waste an ounce of sympathy on such a judgemental and unaccepting person? There are plenty of messed up soldiers about who don't go around blaming everyone. Blame the government and the powers that be, sure. But blaming someone who was only just born because they vote Conservative is stupidity.
 
I understand MOPs story completely. What I refuse to accept is him blaming me and calling me scum because he made poor decisions. Why should I waste an ounce of sympathy on such a judgemental and unaccepting person? There are plenty of messed up soldiers about who don't go around blaming everyone. Blame the government and the powers that be, sure. But blaming someone who was only just born because they vote Conservative is stupidity.

I hate what you stand for so this is not personal it's a collective to you and your single minded selfish kind.
That's all, but don't take it too personly. Apart from promising to die soon I want nothing from you
 
Bang on the money!

It's the same blindness of a cunt like him that loved shooting poor working class boys on the front line because they suffered shell shock, battle fatigue, PTSD or whatever the boffins want to call it.

By the way my shoelaces are always tied and there are worse timebombs than me travelling on trains watching cunts like you.

Enjoy for now :)

You are under the mistaken impression that I am rich or from money, I am not. I would have been in the trenches just like everyone else if I'd been around then. Keep on mistakenly stereotyping me, you're only embaressing yourself.
 
I hate what you stand for so this is not personal it's a collective to you and your single minded selfish kind.
That's all, but don't take it too personly. Apart from promising to die soon I want nothing from you

Lefties are generally all peace and love until someone disagrees with them. I guess that's why we've had Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot to contend with. Far easier to kill people who disagree with you than argue. You could have just as easily been born in the USSR and seen identical attrocities and violence...
 
I think using loonies as an argument for or against "lefties" is a bit of a red herring really. It's no better than when anyone even vaguely right of centre gets compared to Hitler. Power-crazed nut jobs are just that - power-crazed nut jobs - and totalitarianism is equally as vile whether you dress it up as communism or fascism.
 
Lefties are generally all peace and love until someone disagrees with them. I guess that's why we've had Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot to contend with. Far easier to kill people who disagree with you than argue. You could have just as easily been born in the USSR and seen identical attrocities and violence...

And at what point have I said I'm left wing, they're a bunch of cunts too.
And no I'm not a liberal either.
You started this with your picture of a man wearing a tin hat.
My origins lie in place someone with your restrictions of intelligence could never understand
 
I may have been pissed when I posted me post but not overcome by a sudden attack of the stoooopids. Obviously I don't literally pay more tax than rich cunts nor any other cunts - don't really pay (income) tax at all at the moment unless it's deducted from benefits. Point I was - admittedly rather badly and somewhat rantily - trying to make was more about willingness to pay tax. Over and above the minimum I could get away with sometimes. Cos it's for the greater good and I know damn well that I'll never be able to pay enough in to cover what I get back for it.

Leaving aside the arguments about there should even be such a thing as rich cunts and poor cunts in the first place, it's the avoidance thing that pisses me off. Rich cunts basically become rich cunts in one of two ways - rich daddy cunt dies or lots of poor cunts put in the donkey work to earn money to produce another rich cunt. In both situations that money tends to stay put - in foreign bank accounts mainly - so it's no good to anyone but the rich cunt. Where's the incentive for the rest of us to keep funding the lifestyle of parasites? Not so much trickle down as handed over from us to them and they don't even have the decency to pay tax on it. And spend fortunes finding ways to pay as little as possible. Then get knighted for being such a great example to the rest of us.

It's not that I think "we" deserve "their" money. More like it's not "their" money to be hoarding in the first place. What's the point of telephone number bank balances when they do fuck all but make more money for people who already have quite enough and do sod all with it but accumulate more? If you're lucky or talented enough to have one of those telephone number bank balances then surely using it to do something useful with it - like maybe paying the amount of tax you're legally obliged to to give others a leg up (or a roof over their heads, food in their bellies, better health care, schools and all that good stuff) - is just basic human decency and common sense. You'd like to think anyway.

PS: Happy birthday, ya rich fascist yank cunt ya ;)

Lol thanks mate.

I really do think you'd have a point in America, but in the UK I think we have it reasonably good. I think it is really easy to say so and so should pay their tax, and even that you would in their situation. But given that almost all of them avoid it, and over half of them are self made, you've got to admit that it is just human nature to try and get as much for yourself as possible. If I became a millionaire I would shamelessly avoid tax because the state has fucked me over at almost every opportunity it has had to help me. I think the money is far better off in my bank account, from which I would give extensively to charity on my death Bill Gates style. Bill Gates probably shouldn't be as rich as he is, that's for sure, but he certainly deserves to be richer than both of us for creating the software that makes almost all the worlds computers work, don't you think? Let's not forget that a lot of these lazy rich people work over 100 hrs week in week out.

I think there is a lot of merit in being a wealthy person. Many of them have thousands of people who live because of their ingenuity. I mean we have tried, as a human race, to make everything owned by the worker as you seem to be implying, and without the profit motive it was disasterous. Even China had to climb down off it's high horse and embrace capitalism to bring their population out of poverty.
 
I think using loonies as an argument for or against "lefties" is a bit of a red herring really. It's no better than when anyone even vaguely right of centre gets compared to Hitler. Power-crazed nut jobs are just that - power-crazed nut jobs - and totalitarianism is equally as vile whether you dress it up as communism or fascism.

I wasn't trying to say this ideology is good or this ideology is bad because of the most extreme permeatations of them. What I am trying to say is that the sort of attitudes the people of the left have shown towards me, and wealthy people, is the kind of thinking and behaviour that led to those situations. At the risk of invoking Godwins law it is reminiscent of 1930s Germany... Those people are responsible for all our problems, they are scum etc.
 
Don't even get me going on Bill Gates :|

He created fuck all - he stole from others, fiddled around the edges a bit and got a ridiculously lucky break is all. He deserves to have his arse sued to hell and back is what he deserves. But of course he can afford to make sure that never succeeds.

I'm sure many a rich cunt spends 100 hours a week busy as a busy thing - all those nice resteraunt meals and foreign jollies won't go eating and jollying themselves. I'm sure many a rich cunt truly does work hard - and probably does have something "special" that made them their fortune. But the man on the factory floor forced to work 100 hours a week just to keep his job probably sees it differently. Any business only succeeds if all invovled do their bit. Doesn't it follow that all involved should also get a fair recompense for that work rather than a handful creaming of every penny they can get their claws on and leave the rest to fight over the crumbs or face dolescumdom?

I don't think everything should be owned by workers - I'm certainly nowhere near being a communist - but I do believe in fairness, equality and common decency towards your fellow man.
 
And at what point have I said I'm left wing, they're a bunch of cunts too.
And no I'm not a liberal either.
You started this with your picture of a man wearing a tin hat.
My origins lie in place someone with your restrictions of intelligence could never understand

You don't need to state you are left wing to be left wing. You clearly lack the grey matter to realise that every policy and almost everything you have said places you firmly in the Left camp. Whether you hate those who hold the power is neither here nor there... It just adds an anarchist twist to what you believe in.
 
I wasn't trying to say this ideology is good or this ideology is bad because of the most extreme permeatations of them. What I am trying to say is that the sort of attitudes the people of the left have shown towards me, and wealthy people, is the kind of thinking and behaviour that led to those situations. At the risk of invoking Godwins law it is reminiscent of 1930s Germany... Those people are responsible for all our problems, they are scum etc.

I would probably be placed left of centre by most folks and whether it sounds like it or not I genuinely don't think "those people" are the source of all human misery. I somewhat grudgingly accept that what you say about most people being fundamentally greedy pricks if they can get away with it is probably true. But I think it's only true cos most of us are brought up to be selfish fucks - either priveliged and terrified that less well off folks surely want to "redistribute" all your hard-inherited money to themselves or got nowt and envy others. It doesn't have to be that way though. Working for the common good doesn't necessarily mean that effort or talent shouldn't be rewarded, it's just that some people's effort or talent seems to be way overvalued whilst the vast majority - those who make wealth actually possible - are way undervalued.

And then to rub salt in the wound it's the ones who have least who have little choice but to pay the tax their expected to. If a worker on minimum wage can pay his tax - willingly or less so - then why not someone who frankly wouldn't notice whether they'd paid it or not unless their accountant gets excited about it?
 
... I mean we have tried, as a human race, to make everything owned by the worker as you seem to be implying, and without the profit motive it was disasterous. Even China had to climb down off it's high horse and embrace capitalism to bring their population out of poverty.

Hi msb - seems to me that if you really understand socialism in the way i do you wouldn't say that it's been tried when referring to (i guess) soviet russia or china. Neither of these implemented socialism. Socialism by definition (in my and many others' opinions) will include democracy - so-called Leninist communism seemed to want to adhere to this initially through the concept of worker soviets, but only after a period of 'dictatorship of the proleteriat' - the theory being the party elite had to run things until they were ready for actual socialism/democracy (e.g. to fight against foreign invasion etc.). In practice however, the dictatorship kept finding reasons to put this stage off as it would have reduced their position (the problem with all elites) and just remained a dictatorship (as you should know).

This many think was the problem inherent in marxism itself (as argued by Bakunin) - however socialism is a much wider concept than just marxism. This argument was had between marx and bakunin in the late 19th century, causing a split between the german/british (authoritarian socialists) and french/spanish (libeterian socialists (or anarchists if you will)). The libertarian (that word's too US-loaded now though) socialist roughly went on to influence the continental (and hence south american) socialists and lead to the sort of attempts at socialism that emerged in the spanish civil war (e.g. anarcho-syndicalists) - this is a better (if brief and failed) example of socialism (and indeed anarchism) being tried in the world. It actually was pretty effective in many ways, before being betrayed by (among others) the statist dictatorship of stalin - thus showing where his regime stood on actual socialism.

It irritates me a bit when people explain away communism/socialism using these dictatorships as examples - to me as idiotic (the idea not you) as the american right-wingers who insist that hitler was a socialist because the name of his party (they never heard of a misnomer). These pseudo-socialist dictatorships actuallly imo have much more in common with our own western systems than with actual democratic socialism (not social democrats - that's another capitalist variation, and another rant...)

/and happy b'day, you nazi scum (sorry i mean right of centre person) ;)
 
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