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Stimulants Migraines getting worst

Ksa

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So I have these migraines in the human amigdalia region, when pain is 100% relieved it feels like a twiching is going on there, like a muscle twitch. 3 years ago the migraine onset was relatively slow, over a period of 3-5 hours but lately, it really goes from 0% pain to 90% in less than an hour with an upset stomach to top it off.

When before I could conveniently take 60mg codeine to relieve it, recently, the rapid onset of the migraine combined with the acidic stomach lowering absorbtion, causes 60mg codeine to be inefficient. This requires me to combine 90mg codeine with 500mg metamizole and 150mg zantac. With this method, if the stomach is acidic, the metamizole will absorb readily, if stomach is basic, the codeine will absorb readily, either way, one strong painkiller will absorb and the other will soon follow.

The neurologist appointment is in a year, was just wondering if any of you guys experience this type of migraine that pulsates with every heart beat and causes some twitching in the human amigdalia.

Thanks,
 
Hmm...what's the nearest muscle to nucleus accumbens? What's it called? Is it the tensor tympani muscle or is there a closer one?
 
Been getting them for about 20 some odd years. Id rather go thru a day of opiate wd than have a full blown migraine. What do you mean the human amigdiyla? Like where specifically do you feel it? Def look into triptan drugs, tho im pretty sure you dont want to mix them with stims. Also gotta stay hydrated bc thats a major cause. Do you have eye issues at all prior to an onset? I will sometimes get weird vision stuff and aura before one and i know its time to reach for the nsaids. Also opiates are fairly innefective for migraine as it can trigger rebounds. Diet is also a huge role. They are beyond dibillitating, esp if you use your brain a lot lol...look into a triptan like immitrex, they are the only truly effective cure for a bad one, i mean as an emergency treatment. Prevention is a way better way to go i have found.
 
Is this in the back of the head? I'm not familiar with those areas, or any area of the brain really haha.
If it's mainly the back of your head it could be a cervicogenic headache caused by your neck, more specifically, the first three vertebrae.
These headaches are tension kinds, and their usual area of affliction is the same as talking trying to palm the back of your skull with your hand, with your wrist at the base of the skull.
These headaches can also radiate around to the front of your head and cause tension and pain behind your brow and behind the eyes.
The thing about these headaches is that they are made worse by virtually all drugs which can cause muscle tension.
 
I just figured it out thanks to SC's site, my pain is on the rolando fissure in the jaw section and just to make things more convenient, I have a jaw disorder and grind my teeth at night. Bingo.
 
Ksa, the white/grey matter of the brain is not innervated with pain nerves (c.f. people can be awake and not screaming in pain while brain surgery is being performed (!!!!!!)) - it's the meninges or surrounding tissue that pulsate and ache when you have a headache.

Wiki said:
The brain tissue itself is not sensitive to pain because it lacks pain receptors. Rather, the pain is caused by disturbance of the pain-sensitive structures around the brain. Nine areas of the head and neck have these pain-sensitive structures, which are the cranium (the periosteum of the skull), muscles, nerves, arteries and veins, subcutaneous tissues, eyes, ears, sinuses and mucous membranes.

Regardless - jaw grinding and the like can definitely cause headaches and in some cases is associated with a syndrome called temporomandibular joint dysfunction. Ask your dentist!
 
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I just figured it out thanks to SC's site, my pain is on the rolando fissure in the jaw section and just to make things more convenient, I have a jaw disorder and grind my teeth at night. Bingo.

Always happy to help..
I had to wear a night guard for lil while, I was getting some huge headaches. Wore mine for lil while and over period of time I just wear it 7-10 a month.
 
As sekio explained, you aren't experiencing pain (or pulsating) in the amygdala itself because there aren't pain receptors there. The amygdala and limbic system in general are believed to be involved in migraines - both causing symptoms from migraines that affect limbic activity and limbic (over)activity contributing to causing migraines as well as influencing whether an acute condition becomes chronic.

Abstract
A tremendous gap still exists between the disciplines of psychiatry and neurology, viewed as the study of the mind, and the brain, respectively. While functional neuroimaging has served to blur this separation, many still consider the two mutually exclusive entities. But the study of migraine and limbic pain offers convincing evidence of Viktor Frankl's dichotomous model of the individual yet dependent spheres of psyche and soma. Chronic headache, though biomedical, wrestles with emotional issues, pharmacologic response, and other behavioral occurrences and conditions that confound the headache scientist. Similarly, research has shown that a vulnerable limbic system will perhaps amplify pain after years of sensitization caused by emotional trauma, loss, or abuse. These developments point to the need for a new model that embraces the approach of "one brain, multiple manifestations." Only with a transformed understanding of the integrated psyche and soma can neuroscientists expect to truly understand human pathologies.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18227776


Based on reading your past posts as well as the tag you applied to this one, I know you use amphetamines. Sekio brought up jaw-clenching (bruxism) which is one of the most common side effects associated with stimulant use and can absolutely cause headaches, especially in the temporomandibular joint.

One of the most common somatic manifestations of stress as well as a common side effect of amphetamines (essentially because of the noradrenergic activity which resembles that produced from the fight-or-flight response stress causes) is pronounced muscular tension and one of the most common physical locations where this manifests is the cervical region as .:Holy::Toast:. was discussing. Either bruxism-induced headaches and/or headaches from the peripheral, noradrenergic effects of amphetamines (potentially exacerbated by stress) seem more likely in what I know of this context.

There is some evidence that amphetamines actually can be beneficial in the treatment of migraines as suggested here further evincing that what you're experiencing may not be a migraine or other factors may be contributing to the pain caused by migraines.

Lastly, as 'medicine cabinet' brought up, codeine is not a very effective treatment if this is a migraine and triptans are vastly superior. If this is wholly or in-part caused by amphetamine side effects (bruxism and/or muscle tension), codeine still isn't a very effective treatment and something to relax the muscle and/or counter the noradrenergic activity of the amphetamines would be better. Actually, not taking the amphetamines would be even better! ;)
 
As sekio explained, you aren't experiencing pain (or pulsating) in the amygdala itself because there aren't pain receptors there. The amygdala and limbic system in general are believed to be involved in migraines - both causing symptoms from migraines that affect limbic activity and limbic (over)activity contributing to causing migraines as well as influencing whether an acute condition becomes chronic.

Abstract
A tremendous gap still exists between the disciplines of psychiatry and neurology, viewed as the study of the mind, and the brain, respectively. While functional neuroimaging has served to blur this separation, many still consider the two mutually exclusive entities. But the study of migraine and limbic pain offers convincing evidence of Viktor Frankl's dichotomous model of the individual yet dependent spheres of psyche and soma. Chronic headache, though biomedical, wrestles with emotional issues, pharmacologic response, and other behavioral occurrences and conditions that confound the headache scientist. Similarly, research has shown that a vulnerable limbic system will perhaps amplify pain after years of sensitization caused by emotional trauma, loss, or abuse. These developments point to the need for a new model that embraces the approach of "one brain, multiple manifestations." Only with a transformed understanding of the integrated psyche and soma can neuroscientists expect to truly understand human pathologies.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18227776


Based on reading your past posts as well as the tag you applied to this one, I know you use amphetamines. Sekio brought up jaw-clenching (bruxism) which is one of the most common side effects associated with stimulant use and can absolutely cause headaches, especially in the temporomandibular joint.

One of the most common somatic manifestations of stress as well as a common side effect of amphetamines (essentially because of the noradrenergic activity which resembles that produced from the fight-or-flight response stress causes) is pronounced muscular tension and one of the most common physical locations where this manifests is the cervical region as .:Holy::Toast:. was discussing. Either bruxism-induced headaches and/or headaches from the peripheral, noradrenergic effects of amphetamines (potentially exacerbated by stress) seem more likely in what I know of this context.

There is some evidence that amphetamines actually can be beneficial in the treatment of migraines as suggested here further evincing that what you're experiencing may not be a migraine or other factors may be contributing to the pain caused by migraines.

Lastly, as 'medicine cabinet' brought up, codeine is not a very effective treatment if this is a migraine and triptans are vastly superior. If this is wholly or in-part caused by amphetamine side effects (bruxism and/or muscle tension), codeine still isn't a very effective treatment and something to relax the muscle and/or counter the noradrenergic activity of the amphetamines would be better. Actually, not taking the amphetamines would be even better! ;)

This is advanced stuff so i need to give more details. This is why I don't believe amphetamines are the cause:

- I have experienced migraines before starting amphetamine treatment
- I have experienced bruxism since I was a child
- Migraines keep occuring despite 2 months+ of amphetamine breaks I have occasionally taken in the past 7 years.
- At the peak of the migraine, a 20mg dex IR dose causes a debilitating pain for the first 50 minutes, followed by a complete and permanent pain relief
- 2mg nicotine caused an increase in pain on 5 occasions during the migraine with mathematical precision.
- Any activity or substance increasing extracellular dopamine increases pain, eg. watching my favorite show, eating favorite food etc.
- Trying to masturbate during the migraine increased the pain so sharply it made me throw up on the ground.

Extracellular dopamine is the aggravating effect, I have all the above proof to back it up. Normal nicotine effects are only restored 3-4 days after the migraine, slight headaches have reproducibly been observed when administering nicotine 1-2 days after the migraine, leading to believe that the cells were still irritated even after 72 hours.

People always told me that light is an aggravating effect but I swear that I have no proof to back it up. If light alone is an aggravating effect, how come that when I watch my favorite show on TV during a migraine, the pain goes up, and when I switch the channel to some boring show, pain stays still? If light alone causes pain it shouldn't matter what type of light goes into the eyes...

What I am 100% sure is:

- Pain occurs in the meninges above the Rolando fissure, jaw section.
- An increase in extracellular dopamine during the migraine causes an increase in pain. (the fast acting action of nicotine proves this with mathematical precision)
- Triptans relieve the migraine but nearly get me into serotonin syndrome suggesting that low levels of serotonin is not what triggers the migraine.
- Codeine lately is slightly inefficient, partly due to the increase in extracellular dopamine action, I believe.
- Metamizole is the most efficient medication so far. The pain just stops when I take it.

Like cane, there's some heavy swinging dicks in neurology on this site, so I hope someone will give me clues on how to fix this. Taking a benzo at night for jaw clenching occured to me before but...I'll be a bag of pills.
 
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I've suffered from what you describe from around late 2002 to 2010, it started after a really bad "acid" (DOB) trip, wasn't aware it was DOB, took 5 hits...Although this post is more precise in finding the location of that pain than my neurologist and the maxillary dentist I used to visit at times (he's retired now, sucks, because he would script me Empracet 60's at demand, hell, him retiring is what caused me to be on suboxone now...not from the codeine of course. He had made me a mouth guard I wore for a couple months, the pain reduction was minimal so I didn't wear it for long, thank god my insurance paid for it because it was 400-500 dollars.

Another dentist scripted me 1mg and 2mg dilaudids until he made me a speech about how he shouldn't be scripting things for problems that are long term blah blah for 15 minutes. He was more interested in telling me to use this sensitive teeth toothpaste than another kind, so there it went out the window.

Funny how people say opiates don't help "headaches". Sure using some long term might be a bad idea, duh, but it worked with me. Interesting about the metamizole, it's not available in our country isn't it Ksa eh? You've made me curious because sometimes this pain will come back out of nowhere...(but mostly after waking up from a 12 hour sleep after binging on dexedrine with my girlfriend so...). I imagine it is easily ordered online and that it is not available here for corporatist/political reasons. The makers of tylenol sell billions with a dangerous nephritic (liver damaging) compound while metamizole was singled out sometimes in the late 70's because of a very rare side effect.
 
I've suffered from what you describe from around late 2002 to 2010, it started after a really bad "acid" (DOB) trip, wasn't aware it was DOB, took 5 hits...Although this post is more precise in finding the location of that pain than my neurologist and the maxillary dentist I used to visit at times (he's retired now, sucks, because he would script me Empracet 60's at demand, hell, him retiring is what caused me to be on suboxone now...not from the codeine of course. He had made me a mouth guard I wore for a couple months, the pain reduction was minimal so I didn't wear it for long, thank god my insurance paid for it because it was 400-500 dollars.

Another dentist scripted me 1mg and 2mg dilaudids until he made me a speech about how he shouldn't be scripting things for problems that are long term blah blah for 15 minutes. He was more interested in telling me to use this sensitive teeth toothpaste than another kind, so there it went out the window.

Funny how people say opiates don't help "headaches". Sure using some long term might be a bad idea, duh, but it worked with me. Interesting about the metamizole, it's not available in our country isn't it Ksa eh? You've made me curious because sometimes this pain will come back out of nowhere...(but mostly after waking up from a 12 hour sleep after binging on dexedrine with my girlfriend so...). I imagine it is easily ordered online and that it is not available here for corporatist/political reasons. The makers of tylenol sell billions with a dangerous nephritic (liver damaging) compound while metamizole was singled out sometimes in the late 70's because of a very rare side effect.

Don't take metamizole unless you understand and are able to describe the symptoms of aggranulocitosis. I only take it as last resort if nothing else works. Unlike Tylenol, metamizole is a linear poison, meaning that, if the toxicity of Tylenol is exponential with the hightened dose, with metamizole it is linear. This means it is like mercury, it can do damage to the white cells even in amount of 1 molecule, wetheras Tylenol does no damage in low doses. Chronic use of metamizole inevitably leads to aggranulocitosys but the amount of pills you would need to take to achieve that is phenomenal.

The advantage is that it's as strong as morphine and in my case solves all pains.
 
I understand what it is...

Funny that way more dangerous drugs are commonly prescribed these days with the exact same side effect, clozapine, according to wikipedia, which I have verified and the source seems right. But yeah, you can never be too cautious.
 
I understand what it is...

Funny that way more dangerous drugs are commonly prescribed these days with the exact same side effect, clozapine, according to wikipedia, which I have verified and the source seems right. But yeah, you can never be too cautious.

Thats completely true, they took it off for economical reasons so they could sell Tylenol Advil and Ibuprofen for better prices. On the other hand, it is a high risk low probability situation. Yes, the probability is very low, but IF it does happen, in most cases you are no better then a terminal AIDS patient, a bullet can come in handy. I just don't value my life to the point where I accept to be in excruciating pain just to remove some Lotto 6/49 probability.
 
I agree that a prescribed dosage of amp's dosent have 100% side effect of migraines, but combination of diffrent drugs with amps WILL be most likely side effect. Think if you take amps say 30mg and smoke a bowl "good stuff" before or after you take amps you are off in the thinking lane. Next thing you notice you are thinking and moving your jaw like crazy and you tell yourself to STOP. :) and hello migraine..
Just some of mine experience with amps and migraines.
 
yeah the teeth grindings a bitch, my girlfriend does it all the time, and complains of migraines.

She seems to have less of it when she keeps up on taking magnesium
 
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