Mexico Considers Decriminalizing Pot, Cocaine & More (merged) (Updated 2/12/07)

I don't think conservatives are necessarily an enemy of drug legalization.
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not in theory. but in actuality they are too tied with organized religion and popular morality
 
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A friend of mine pointed out that mexico has many laws which don't apply to foreigners. For instance only mexicans can own mexican property.
 
DAMN, now I really envy the girl for celebrating graduation (she's a Chem tech :\ ) by going to mexico for her sister's wedding. Wish she could bring back goodies to Canada, but unfortunately we're on our way to playing the second conservative fiddle to dubya.

Shots out to all those lucky buggers in Mexico smoke one for me and if you see a hot blonde Alberta girl in Puerto Vallarta named Carla smoke a big bowl of that mexican ganja with her and tell her Ken sent you ;).
 
Delta9 said:
I don't think conservatives are necessarily an enemy of drug legalization. Vicente Fox's party is conservative and they fully support this new law. Gary Johnson was also a conservative Republican (for those who don't know, he is the former governor of New Mexico that advocated drug legalization.)
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Definitely.

And if you look at the Democratic Party here in the United States, their line on drug policy is the same as the Republicans.
 
grandbaby said:
I've even met some Canadians who identify themselves as "Republicans" - wtf?) are taking over somewhat.
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Well, if they're emulating American Republicans... it makes sense to identify themselves as Republicans instead of conservatives. Because Republicans have absolutely NOTHING to do with traditional conservatism. They're all into big government, big spending, deficit spending, interfering with private lives, etc.

The chances that we'll ever see Canada approaching a sensible stance on drugs is minimal; probably the best we could hope for is that pot and maybe shrooms will get legalized; folks have a distinct fear of chems but there IS, thank god, a bit of a "well, if it grows in nature you can hardly regulate it, can you?" attitude.
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Well, in the United States, over 50% of the population now believes marijuana should at the very least be decriminalized.

Also, with advances in cheap and more accurate drug testing, I think things are bound to change over the next decade. Most especially as people get a more accurate picture of just how many people use drugs.
 
Mehm said:
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A friend of mine pointed out that mexico has many laws which don't apply to foreigners. For instance only mexicans can own mexican property.
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But if we did the same thing here in the States, the Mexicans would throw a fit.

Much like they demand we treat their immigrants with the utmost respect. But they go around killing illegal immigrants in their country.
 
I was under the impression that naturally growing peyote is already pretty much "extinct", but you can easily grow it in greenhouses (with a lot of patience of course).
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Its not extinct. Its almost extinct north of the border because its legal for the Native Americans to pick it in the US, but its still pretty prevelant in Mexico. Under this new law in Mexico, its still not gonna be legal to grow it, and it takes 15 years to grow it in a greenhouse anyways, so its gonne encourage people to go out an pick it.
 
This step is such a radical move for a neighbour of the USA, and such a positive example for the rest of the world, that it hardly seems fair to bitch about it...

... but what does this proposed law actually accomplish?

"WOO HOO, IM GOIN TO MEXICO GET FUCKIN BAKED DUDE!"

If you can have no more than one hit of acid, a line of coke, or whatever on you at any time without being prosecuted as a dealer, and if dealing is still illegal, then it shouldn't be any easier to get [drug of choice] down there than it is wherever you live. Unless you live in southern Iowa (just kidding).

The only thing it does is take the pressure off the casual user: the end user is no longer a criminal. This is an amazingly positive step.

But it doesn't solve bigger problems: control of supply of most "hard" drugs by organized crime and the violence & gangsterism that the black market economy imposes; the major problem of quality control / purity of supply; the problem of education & public awareness of the effects of drugs and the destigmatization of users; and the constant problem that the now-not-a-criminal end user faces - how to score.

I've been thinking about the legalization issue for a while now, and the only thing that makes sense to me is to make everything completely legal and regulate it like alcohol & tobacco. Train government employees to run the stores (much like government liquor stores in most parts of Canada) - make them as highly trained as pharmacists - so they can talk to people about what they're buying & answer questions in a reasonable manner, and if there are out-of-the-ordinary dangers associated with the use of a substance, to inform the user.

No more Raid on your weed. No more crap "XTC." No more DOx sold as LSD. Cut the scumbags out of the equation and make 'em get real jobs. Let the righteous dealers get first crack at the "pharmakocist" jobs that will open up, to compensate them for the disruption of their personal economy and to thank them for keeping the flame alive through the dark years of prohibition ...

Well, I can dream, can't I?
 
Who the hell were the guys they interviewed in that last article there? A guy selling orange juice on the street and a retired school psychologist on vacation? Real great effort for the quality journalism there, guys.
 
And now if they just got rid of all the Mexicans, Mexico might actually be a cool place...

:: puts on flame retardent suit::
 
Mehm said:
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A friend of mine pointed out that mexico has many laws which don't apply to foreigners. For instance only mexicans can own mexican property.
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those laws only apply to foreign economic menaces.

Mehm said:
I wonder if areas in Mexico are going to start catering to drug tourism
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OAXACA. nuff said. One of the most hallocinogen places in the world, famous since the 60's
 
Man I'm really hoping for some increase in the acid scene. Probably not the best climate for it down there, but shit… 10 dollars for a tab is obscene. Chemists head south. Good news indeed.

Peace,
PL
 
Although this did not work that great in Australia - In the 80s we had a regime of crooked cops running Sydney's blackmarkets.

They had a simple rule for the drug dealers - no dealing to kids or near schools. If you did then god help you from their wrath.

Although these guys were evil, murders and just plain bad people it does suggest that although they were never strong enough (even within the limits of the type of law they subscribed to) to stop the black markets that by allowing it to occur, albeit with control (through the threat of violence and "tax-bribes") that it prevented the types of excesses that cause protest and alienation in the general population.

What another post said, it would be cheaper and far more effective to legitmise the migration process. Create a process that can allow for the intake of hundreds of thousands of people. Sure make them jump some hoops, but do so it far more attractive then crossing a dangerous border.
 
Pimp Lazy said:
Man I'm really hoping for some increase in the acid scene. Probably not the best climate for it down there, but shit… 10 dollars for a tab is obscene. Chemists head south. Good news indeed.

Peace,
PL
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Nah, you know, I don't mind paying for good drugs. I mean, a regular night of getting pissed at the bar can cost you $50 no problem; I don't see what's wrong paying $20 to have a +++.

Whoops - off topic. Back to your regular programming.
 
this is like a big fuck you to the US. The US is already knee deep in the immigration issue, and now the US has to deal with this? I love it!
 
Is there any specifics on if there is any way to buy the drugs legally? If it's a no-go on coffee shops then is the only way to purchase the drugs is through someone with obviously an "illegal amount" of the drug on them? Will there be any legal places to buy the drugs, or do people have to resort to people on the side of the streets?
 
^^ selling is still illegal, but mexican police are so currupt they usually turn the other way.

It's amazing that this is happening so close to the U.S. Now Mexicos going to have to protect its borders from all the american immigrants :)
 
good show in mexico, but i wonder how that would affect the quality of life in mexico...

So what would happen if i'm caught with a sheet of LSD blotter? i won't be prosecuted?
 
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