Mexico Considers Decriminalizing Pot, Cocaine & More (merged) (Updated 2/12/07)

It seems the future is coming faster then I thought, it may be Mexico and not the US, but if everyone surrounding the US follows, the US wont be too far behind hopefully (yes I know it's still going to be a long time).
 
fastandbulbous said:
Wouldn't it just be so funny if Canada was to do the same - drug crazed countries on every US border.
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Not likely. Despite widespread support for decriminalization of personal-use marijuana, it simply hasn't happened -- and won't in the near future; our recently elected Conservative government wakes up every morning, washes and lubes up, and bends over to take one up the chute from its Lord and Master, the U.S. Government. If we get another Liberal majority sometime down the road, the mj decriminalization might be possible, but there is absolutely no public sense here that other drugs are acceptable at all - certainly not cocaine or opiates. We're under the DEA's spell, I'm afraid.
 
in spain
you can really do anything you want in your privacy
you can even grow 80+ weed plants, legally
as long as it's for personal use
 
the legislation allows Mexicans to legally possess more than TWO POUNDS of peyote. Looks like Mexico is set to become the undisputed peyote capital of the western hemisphere once this law goes into effect.
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Dried peyote can be 1-6% mescaline. If its 1% you'd need 30-40 grams dried for a good dose. Wet that would be about 800 grams, or just a little under 2 lbs. So two pounds is not really an excessive amount of fresh peyote.

However, while legalizing peyote is nice, IMO they now need a law to protect the peyote from being picked in the wild. Because now with this law you're going to have all the gringos going south of the border to pick peyote. It takes about 15 years for a button to grow, and with everyone picking them they will be picked to near extinction.
 
grandbaby said:
Not likely. Despite widespread support for decriminalization of personal-use marijuana, it simply hasn't happened -- and won't in the near future; our recently elected Conservative government wakes up every morning, washes and lubes up, and bends over to take one up the chute from its Lord and Master, the U.S. Government. If we get another Liberal majority sometime down the road, the mj decriminalization might be possible, but there is absolutely no public sense here that other drugs are acceptable at all - certainly not cocaine or opiates. We're under the DEA's spell, I'm afraid.
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You have 8 posts man, and this is one of the greatest things i have seen in a while. the whole washing and lubing up speech put a smile on my face.
 
gloggawogga said:
However, while legalizing peyote is nice, IMO they now need a law to protect the peyote from being picked in the wild. Because now with this law you're going to have all the gringos going south of the border to pick peyote. It takes about 15 years for a button to grow, and with everyone picking them they will be picked to near extinction.
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Absolutely. They're already endangered.

Also, outright legalization of peyote and mescaline in general might actually help save it. It would encourage people to grow there own and try to repopulate it in the wild. In the meantime there could be an aggressive campaign to persuade users to make the switch to Trichocereus.
 
gloggawogga said:
However, while legalizing peyote is nice, IMO they now need a law to protect the peyote from being picked in the wild. Because now with this law you're going to have all the gringos going south of the border to pick peyote. It takes about 15 years for a button to grow, and with everyone picking them they will be picked to near extinction.
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I was under the impression that naturally growing peyote is already pretty much "extinct", but you can easily grow it in greenhouses (with a lot of patience of course). Some headshops in Amsterdam sell peyote and there are also websites that sell it, so I doubt there's any risk of peyote truly becoming extinct.
 
Shit, this really came out of nowhere didn't it? Or had Mexico been working on doing this for awhile now?

Either way I think I'll go down there sometime this summer. Crooked pharmacies and legalized drugs. It doesn't get any better than that.
 
grandbaby said:
Not likely. Despite widespread support for decriminalization of personal-use marijuana, it simply hasn't happened -- and won't in the near future; our recently elected Conservative government wakes up every morning, washes and lubes up, and bends over to take one up the chute from its Lord and Master, the U.S. Government. If we get another Liberal majority sometime down the road, the mj decriminalization might be possible, but there is absolutely no public sense here that other drugs are acceptable at all - certainly not cocaine or opiates. We're under the DEA's spell, I'm afraid.
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I don't think conservatives are necessarily an enemy of drug legalization. Vicente Fox's party is conservative and they fully support this new law. Gary Johnson was also a conservative Republican (for those who don't know, he is the former governor of New Mexico that advocated drug legalization.)
You're probably right though, I doubt Canada will ever do anything major to its current drug laws due to U.S. government influence.
 
U.S. Cautious on Mexico Drug Measure
By WILL WEISSERT, Associated Press Writer
April 29, 2006

MEXICO CITY - The United States reacted cautiously on Saturday to a Mexican measure that would make it legal to carry small amounts of cocaine, heroin and other drugs for personal use.

News of the decriminalization did not make the front pages of any major Mexico City newspaper, nor was it discussed in editorials. It was slightly better publicized in the north of the country, where turf wars between rival drugs gangs have caused hundreds of killings along the Mexico-U.S. border, but was still overshadowed by news about immigration.

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Vicente Fox has yet to sign the bill, which would eliminate penalties for those caught with small amounts of some drugs, but his office has applauded it.

Mexican lawmakers have said the bill will let authorities focus on major drug traffickers and not clutter prisons with small-time offenders.

U.S. Embassy spokeswoman Judith Bryan said Saturday the measure could actually make it easier to prosecute drug crimes because it attempts to "precisely specify the amount of narcotics in possession of a suspect to allow a criminal prosecution."

"Preliminary information from Mexican legislative sources indicates that the intent of the draft legislation is to clarify the 'small amounts' of drugs for personal use as stated in current Mexican law," she said.

Mexican law already left open the possibility of dropping charges against people caught with drugs if they are considered addicts and if "the amount is the quantity necessary for personal use." The new bill drops the "addict" requirement — automatically letting any "consumers" have drugs — and sets out specific allowable quantities.

In Mexico City's stylish Zona Rosa neighborhood, Mexicans and tourists alike were surprised to hear it could soon be legal to carry small amounts of drugs.

Drug violence "will drop because there will be less pressure on the people who consume drugs," said Francisco Garrido, who was selling orange juice at a sidewalk stall.

But Berta Perez, an antique store owner, worried that drug sales would bring young budget travelers and spook away well-heeled tourists.

If signed by Fox, purchasing drugs "would be like buying a cigarette on the street," she said.

Washington has long praised the Fox administration for its anti-drug efforts.

Since the president took office in December 2000, several key drug lords have been captured, including Benjamin Arellano Felix, the suspected operations chief of a Tijuana-based drug gang bearing his family's name, and Osiel Cardenas, the accused head of the Gulf cartel, thought mainly to operate along Mexico's border with Texas.

Yet drug addiction is growing in Mexico, especially in border cities like Tijuana.

John Morgan, a retired school psychologist visiting Mexico City from Grand Junction, Colo., said it makes sense for the country to decriminalize marijuana — but that harder drugs maybe should not be included.

"We have put people in jails for years for marijuana, something that is probably less harmful than alcohol," he said. "But the list here is a little too global, there are several classes of drugs which are quite harmful."

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Delta9 said:
I don't think conservatives are necessarily an enemy of drug legalization.
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No, and in fact, it makes sense for a true small-c conservative to support personal freedoms and less government intervention in people's individual choices. However, up here we have two major (i.e. have a hope in hell of forming the national government) parties: the (large C) Conservative party and the (large-L) Liberal party. Since Sep 11 01 the Conservatives (not the ruling party until this January past) have allied themselves strongly with Bush's government and sniped at the Liberals every time they took a step out of line with U.S. policy on any issue. The Liberals, until their defeat in the last election, had been drifting farther and farther away from the US line as it veered farther and farther right. They approved medical marijuana, they went to battle over unfair US lumber tariffs, they supported gay marriage... the list goes on and on. It was kind of the way Clinton's government could have gone had he had the sense to keep it in his pants. But unfortunately, the Liberals also made some serious domestic missteps which caused them to go kerflooey & get ousted, and now social conservatives (who tend more toward the Republican party line; I've even met some Canadians who identify themselves as "Republicans" - wtf?) are taking over somewhat.

The chances that we'll ever see Canada approaching a sensible stance on drugs is minimal; probably the best we could hope for is that pot and maybe shrooms will get legalized; folks have a distinct fear of chems but there IS, thank god, a bit of a "well, if it grows in nature you can hardly regulate it, can you?" attitude.
 
Delta9 said:
I don't think conservatives are necessarily an enemy of drug legalization. Vicente Fox's party is conservative and they fully support this new law. Gary Johnson was also a conservative Republican (for those who don't know, he is the former governor of New Mexico that advocated drug legalization.)
You're probably right though, I doubt Canada will ever do anything major to its current drug laws due to U.S. government influence.
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You're wrong, the current conservative pro-oil lobbied government in Canada will do ANYTHING to kiss US's ass, we just gave away billions in softwood lumber "deal" that was disputed for last 15 years.

All of a sudden the neo-cons came, and "solved" it by giving away an arm and a leg. Just an example of how the current gov will deal with any issues that US does not like (ie forget about decriminalization of MJ as liberals intended, not to mention "hard" drugs)

We've also sent soldiers to their death in Afghanistan, because no one else is there to clean up the mess after US invasion, big bubba said "go and clean up afghanistan" and so we are doing now.
 
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