Mexico Considers Decriminalizing Pot, Cocaine & More (merged) (Updated 2/12/07)

Xyzpdq0121 said:
Ummm did anyone but me catch the amounts though... 500mg of coke and 5 grams of weed... I go through that at the preparty much less in the course of the night. Anything over that you are charged as a MAJOR drug dealer?!?!? I do not know of a place that you can buy coke by the mg...

Makes my future trip to cancun more fun though,,,

Irrelavant, still good news! And an easy way to get rid of amateur competition by the pro dealers!
 
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The legal changes will also decriminalize the possession of limited quantities of other drugs, including LSD, hallucinogenic mushrooms, amphetamines and peyote -- a psychotropic cactus found in Mexico's northern deserts.

They mention amphetamines, so does it mean E is included ? I wonder...

:|
 
_high_life_ said:
Half a gram of coke and 5 g of bud???thats a little pitiful actually.I hope they dont throw those with a gram of coke or a quarter ounce of bud in the same pen as those who are hauling kilos around.

I can't vouch for the pot, but I imagine that in Mexico, the cocaine and heroin has been cut less. Still not a whole lot, but the fact that John Walters must be throwing a fit is good enough for me.
 
Crazeee said:
They mention amphetamines, so does it mean E is included ? I wonder...

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From http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3827412.html:

"No charges will be brought against ... addicts or consumers who are found in possession of any narcotic for personal use," according to the Senate bill, which also lays out allowable quantities for an array of other drugs, including LSD, ecstasy and amphetamines.
 
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J_Man said:
Its pretty funny that this came out of nowhere. Viva la Mexico!!!!

Probably to avoid U.S. intervention. Can't wait for our bitchy reply and the sanctions we'll no doubtedly threaten to impose.
 
^^^ I doubt it , this is pretty much an internal sovereign policy which doesnt affect the overall international drug market, now if they legalized all drugs that would be a different story. Probably an invasion by the USA!

lol
 
mrs-mojo-risin said:
From http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3827412.html

"No charges will be brought against ... addicts or consumers who are found in possession of any narcotic for personal use," according to the Senate bill, which also lays out allowable quantities for an array of other drugs, including LSD, ecstasy and amphetamines.

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DUH! I'm blind! Yey for Mexico once again.
 
Drugs Legalized

Drugs Legalized

San Diego Mayor Jerry Sanders Friday called a bill passed by Mexico's Congress decriminalizing small amounts of marijuana, cocaine and heroin for personal use "appallingly stupid."


"I want to call this action what it is -- appallingly stupid, reckless and incredibly dangerous," Sanders said.

The bill was passed by Mexico's Senate on a 53-26 vote and President Vicente Fox has indicated he will sign it into law.

People in possession of up to five grams of marijuana, half a gram of cocaine or 25 milligrams of heroin would no longer be subject to punishment under the proposed legislation.

It would also allow the possession of small amounts of LSD, MDA, ecstasy and methamphetamine, officials said.

"If enacted, even the most reasonable person will have room to question Mexico's commitment to the war on drugs," the former police chief turned mayor said. "I think many, including myself, will view this as a hostile action by a longtime ally to the United States."

Mexican officials have suggested the legislation would help free up law enforcement resources to take on the large drug traffickers and cartels.

Sanders said has written to Fox to try and "encourage" him not to enact the legislation and called the White House to voice his concerns.

"This is not an action I greet warmly as the mayor of the largest American city on the border," Sanders said.

Sanders was joined by a contingency of local law enforcement, health and elected officials at City Hall late this afternoon to voice their opposition to the proposed Mexican drug policy.

District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis called the bill a "critical mistake."

"For us here in San Diego, we are a global community with Tijuana and Baja California," Dumanis said. "There may be a border, but really our lives are intertwined. Now more addicts will pour into our streets."

San Diego Police Department Chief William Lansdowne said Mexico's decision will lead to increased crime rates in the city.

Lansdowne argued that users and addicts are now going to enter Mexico for drugs and then come back across the border under the influence.

"They are the ones most prone to commit acts of violence," Lansdowne said.

Sanders said the bill could "not come at a worse time" for Mexicans during the national debate over immigration.

"I think it completely changes the arguments that are being talked about by the different sides," Sanders said. "I think this is going to stiffen the issues. I think that it's going to be necessary to have a much more secure border."

http://www.fox6.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=3355BE6D-FECD-418E-94E3-68C9B2DD0C53
 
A Perfect Storm on the US-Mexican Border as Drug and Immigration and Terror

Feature: A Perfect Storm on the US-Mexican Border as Drug and Immigration and Terror Wars Converge
4/28/06

This week, the US Senate voted to divert nearly $2 billion dollars from the Iraq war effort and instead use the money to beef up enforcement efforts along the US-Mexican border. Driven by the explosive emergence of the immigration issue as immigrants and their supporters took to the streets in massive numbers to block a House bill that many have criticized as draconian, the move is only the latest in a long line of efforts to secure the borders.


Mexican anti-drug patrols
The border is a symbolic security blanket for Americans, the place where they can draw a line in the sand, where they can mark boundaries to protect them from their fears and desires. Yes, desires. Drugs may be illegal, but they come across the border because Americans want them. Similarly, people sneaking into the country to provide cheap labor may be illegal, but they come across the border because Americans want them. In millions of individual decisions every day, Americans vote for more drugs and more undocumented workers, while at the same time screaming for more border security.

Now, a perfect storm of bogeymen -- Drugs! Terrorists! Mexicans! -- is threatening to unleash a new wave of increased law enforcement on the border. According to border rights activists, academics, and drug reformers, increased law enforcement on the border may put a slight crimp in undocumented immigration, but won't stop the drug traffic -- and it will lead to more abuses, more violence in the desert, and a strengthening of the trend toward increased surveillance of all of us.

Despite -- or because -- it consists of more than 1,700 miles of rough, remote, hostile terrain separating the First World and the Third World, the US-Mexico border is a very busy place. There a lively local cross-border traffic in "the Borderlands," that frontier area roughly 100 miles wide that encompasses both sides of the line, with Mexicans crossing daily to work and Americans to shop, dine, and get medical care, in places like San Diego-Tijuana, El Paso-Juarez, and the Lower Rio Grande Valley conurbation of Brownsville-McAllen-Matamoros-Reynosa. And the Department of Homeland Security reports detaining about one million people a year trying to get into the US without papers.

The border is also a very busy place for drugs. According to the National Drug Intelligence Center, each year since 2001, US agents have seized more than 2 million pounds of Mexican marijuana (compared to the record 25,000 pounds of pot seized at the Canadian border in 2003). They also seize significant amounts of methamphetamine produced in Mexico -- more than 4,000 pounds worth in 2004. Controlled by Mexican drug trafficking organizations that emerged in the 1980s to work with Colombian traffickers but which then took over from them, heroin and cocaine also flow across the border in an unceasing torrent.

Heightened border security will not stop undocumented workers from coming across, but it will ensure they pay a high price, said Pedro Rios, Project Voice coordinator for the AFSC in San Diego and a member of the Border Alliance for Human Rights. "Every time they have increased security at the border, more people end up dying as they try to cross. When people come to the US, they have no idea what the desert is like, and they are unprepared for the extreme elements," said Rios. "When they began putting up fences in the 1980s, people thought the harsh landscape would act as a natural barrier, but it hasn't stopped people from coming."

Instead, they die in the desert. For the last few years, the death doll has averaged more than 300 a year, with the number exceeding 400 in 2005.


border fence

Sometimes, border crossers die at the hands of the Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). "We've had at least five officer-involved shootings here in recent months," said Rios. "In one case in December, a migrant climbed the fence and was shot. He made it to a hospital in Tijuana, where he died. The Border Patrol said he was trying to throw a rock at the agent, but the autopsy showed he was shot in the back."

The abuses are on the increase, Rios said. "As we have seen an increase in border enforcement personnel, we have also seen an increase in human rights abuses, including those directed at US citizens and legal permanent residents. We are receiving more complaints that they are being verbally and physically maltreated. In one case, a woman with a new-born child complained that a Customs agent forced her to express milk from her breasts to prove the infant was hers. That's the kind of thing we deal with on a regular basis," Rios said. "It's getting worse."

"Attempting to secure the border is ultimately futile, certainly when it comes to keeping drugs out, said Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and coauthor of the forthcoming book "Policing the Globe: Criminalization and Crime Control in International Relations." "You can build a fence to keep people from walking over, but you can't stop them from throwing a bag full of drugs over the top. The compactness and ease of smuggling of illicit drugs is extraordinary, and if they don't come through Mexico, they will come over the water."

In fact, according to the National Drug Intelligence Center, about half of all cocaine smuggled into the US comes by maritime routes, either through the Caribbean or through the Pacific off the Mexican coast.

Some advocates see the immigration and drug trafficking issues as analogous. "It is just a demonstration of people's ignorance about what's behind migration and what's behind the drug trade.
"Every year, there is another crackdown, another cry for more enforcement, another hunk of money for militarizing the border, but nothing seems to change much," said Caroline Isaacs, director of the American Friends Service Committee Arizona Sector. People don't talk about these issues in a helpful or realistic way, because we have a low tolerance for complexity in our national political dialog. Instead, you get fear mongering and hysteria around drugs and terrorism and border security," she told DRCNet.

Unease about frontiers is nothing new, said Isaacs, but the immigration issue is taking it to a new level. "On the border, the situation is, almost by definition, one of tension, but now, there has been a mainstreaming of extremism on the immigration issue. Last year and this year, we've had the press fawning over armed vigilantes like the Minutemen taking the law into their own hands, and hard-line anti-immigration folks in Washington took that as a mandate that people are fed up and immigration is a crisis. They have upped the tension, but on the other hand, there has always been vigilante violence and abusive, excessive enforcement of the laws on the border. They think they're leading a revolution on Capitol Hill, but it's really just more of the same. The same failed policies, whether its drug policy, criminal justice policy, or border policy. In the cases of both drugs and immigration, they are going up against market forces."

In the past decade, the number of Border Patrol agents has doubled and doubled again to nearly 12,000 in an effort to control the border. Similarly, state and local law enforcement agencies are taking on an increased role. Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), for example, has shifted federal grants that formerly went to drug task forces to new border task forces. And the US military looms in the background.

During the 1980s and 1990s, the US military began becoming involved in a patrolling the borders, but after an unfortunate incident in Texas, it pulled back. Chastened by the 1997 shooting death of Texas shepherd Esequiel Hernandez by a US Marine patrol looking for drug traffickers, the US military retreated, said Tim Dunn, sociology professor at Salisbury College in Maryland and author of "The Militarization of the US-Mexico Border."

"The military suspended its border operations for 15 months and did an interim review, and the Department of Defense finally said it would allow ground troops, but only if an Assistant Secretary of Defense signed off on the deployment. This had the effect of really limiting the use of armed ground troops," Dunn told DRCNet. "The military was still there behind the scenes, offering assistance and training, and still quite militaristic, and of course, the National Guard, which is under the control of the states, never went away."



border truck inspections
Similarly, the military Joint Task Force 6, whose mission was the drug war, has now morphed into Joint Task Force North, and its mission has morphed into fighting transnational threats of all sorts, including the movement of undocumented immigrants "because they could hypothetically be terrorists," Dunn said.

As for the terrorist threat, that is a canard, Dunn said. "They have never caught anyone terrorist-related coming across the Mexican border," he said. "The Border Patrol says it sees maybe a thousand people a year coming across the border from Muslim countries, and those are largely labor migrants. All of this talk about Al Qaeda learning Spanish or linking Mara Salvatrucha with Al Qaeda is utter bullshit. To call a street gang terrorism is simply absurd." Which for all intents and purposes leaves US border agencies again focused on non-military matters like the drug trade.

Still, the military is back on the border. "JTF North is really busy internationally, and they don't generally have the troops to rotate down to the border," said Dunn. "But the relationship on the ground is still there, and now we are seeing troops on the ground again. Last year in southern New Mexico, they brought in a Stryker brigade with 400 soldiers and 40 light armor vehicles. They're not as heavy as tanks, but they have .50 caliber machine guns and they can hold eight or 12 troops. I never thought I would see things like this on the border," he said.

The situation is increasingly tense, Dunn said. "You have the army, you have the Border Patrol, you have covert surveillance and heavily armed undercover agents, and you have these private militia groups wandering around. This is a recipe for disaster, an incident waiting to happen," he warned.

Confrontations could -- and have -- taken place not only with immigrants and drug traffickers, but with elements of the Mexican military, which is under increasing pressure from the US to step up its fight against cross-border drug trafficking. "There have been shooting incidents between the Mexican Army and US agents, said Dunn, "but those are likely cases of mistaken identity. Still, these incidents add to the mix of tension and instability," he said.

While Mexican President Vicente Fox has aggressively posted soldiers on and near the border, it is largely kabuki theater, said Dunn. "They post those soldiers to placate us, but they send them out in the desert without any support and they're not finding drugs because most of the drugs go through ports of entry. But no one wants to deal with that, because serious enforcement at the ports would interfere with trade."

There are more workable solutions than simply trying to crack down on the border, said Dunn, also drawing an analogy between the issues. "With immigration, you have to legalize the people who are here and let them work toward legal permanent residency, and then you need a reasonable guest worker program." And trying to stop Americans from doing drugs by locking down the border is equally absurd, Dunn said. "If you want to reduce drug use, throw your money into drug education and treatment programs, and look at what other countries are doing in terms of harm reduction. We should also decriminalize marijuana, which would take a lot of pressure off Mexico and give them a real chance to do something about drug flows. Right now, the corruption there has an awful effect, and it is our demand for drugs that is responsible. We can't be any less effective than we are now, but if we take a public health approach, the border issue will become much smaller."

Given the massive amount of free trade between Mexico and the US, trying to stop drugs at the border is a fool's errand, Dunn said. "As long as we have this huge volume of traffic, mixing in illegal commerce with the legal commerce cannot be avoided."

The impulse toward more law enforcement on the border is ever-present and driven by the scary issue of the day. "It used to be justified by the effort to fight drugs," said Nadelmann, "then it was terrorists and national security, and now it's immigration. Cracking down on the border will make it tougher and tougher on people trying to cross, but the impact on drugs coming across will be minimal, and the porousness of the border will continue to feed increasing pressure for more internal surveillance in this country," he predicted.

Nadelmann sketched a frightening Orwellian vision of a future where the totalitarian impulse toward total security moves beyond a line in the desert and into the bodies of American citizens. "As the war on drugs morphs with the war on terror and the war on illegal immigration, we will see a greater and greater push for domestic surveillance of Americans, both internal and external. We are already moving toward a national ID card, and more and more, we are relying on GPS devices, so why not have everybody wear a bracelet or a chip or a card with a biometrics and a GPS tracking device?" Nadelmann asked. "External surveillance is about tracking where you are; internal surveillance is about drug testing -- tracking what you ingest."

The process is already underway, Nadelmann said. "We are already drug testing people in the criminal justice system and people who are seeking jobs. We could very easily move to having tracking devices on people, beginning with the seven million under the jurisdiction of the criminal justice system. And there would be voluntary participation, for instance, from parents afraid their children will be kidnapped or people whose loved ones suffer from Alzheimer's. Then you require it for people who want certain jobs, and eventually everyone essentially has to have an ID device with biometric drug monitoring and GPS tracking."

All it would take is another dramatic attack, Nadelmann suggested. "What happens after the next major terrorist episode and the majority decides it can no longer afford to have anonymous individuals walking around free on our soil? We'll slide into this slowly, and future generations will regard constant surveillance as normal. The only obstacle to this happening is Americans' collective sense of civil liberties and freedom, but as we've seen with drug testing and now in the post-911 world, we are becoming more and more accustomed to the loss of these basic rights. The border issues will get bigger and bigger, and we will create more bureaucracies, but they will have no impact on drugs or terrorism, and the result will be intensive domestic surveillance."

-- END --

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/433/perfectstorm.shtml
 
Crazeee said:
San Diego Mayor Jerry Sanders Friday called a bill passed by Mexico's Congress decriminalizing small amounts of marijuana, cocaine and heroin for personal use "appallingly stupid."

And how many bars in San Diego are serving alcohol to packed crowds as I type this?

What a fucking hypocrite that mayor is.
 
Xyzpdq0121 said:
Ummm did anyone but me catch the amounts though... 500mg of coke and 5 grams of weed... I go through that at the preparty much less in the course of the night.

Seriously. And for heroin, it was 25mgs.

With the exception of the marijuana, it's all like what you have left after a party and you want just a little bit more when you get home before you go to bed.

And 25mgs of heroin... unless it was entirely pure, it wouldn't even be enough to get me high.

But hey, it's a start.
 
Crazeee said:
"If enacted, even the most reasonable person will have room to question Mexico's commitment to the war on drugs," the former police chief turned mayor said. "I think many, including myself, will view this as a hostile action by a longtime ally to the United States."

I completely disgree. As I said before, these amounts are far below what an individual would use in a night, with the exception of marijuana.

If the law was going to be truly rational, it would allow for something like: 3.5 grams of cocaine, 1 gram of heroin, 10 hits of LSD, 5 pills of ecstasy, 7 grams of marijuana, etc.

Mexican officials have suggested the legislation would help free up law enforcement resources to take on the large drug traffickers and cartels.

I don't understand the logic there. Because your average user is apparently going to be a large drug trafficker by default since their simple possession will still be an arrestable offense.

I don't understand the point of changing these laws at all.

Sanders said has written to Fox to try and "encourage" him not to enact the legislation and called the White House to voice his concerns.

Sanders should stop meddling with the soveriegnty of foreign nations and stop meddling with my own rights to consume whatever substances I see fit as a matter of personal liberty. I don't know about Sanders family, but I have dozens of ancestors who fought in the Revolutionary War and fought for the principles of self government. I am the only person who should regulate my drug use. My drug use does not infringe upon the rights of others.

"For us here in San Diego, we are a global community with Tijuana and Baja California," Dumanis said. "There may be a border, but really our lives are intertwined. Now more addicts will pour into our streets."

With the drugs they won't have enough of to sell...

San Diego Police Department Chief William Lansdowne said Mexico's decision will lead to increased crime rates in the city.

Because the same people who are using drugs will only be able to be arrested for commiting actual crimes rather than the simple possession... right.

Lansdowne argued that users and addicts are now going to enter Mexico for drugs and then come back across the border under the influence.

How many threads here on Bluelight alone do we have already about people crossing the border and scoring drugs in Tijuana?

Not to mention the fact that again, the dealers in Mexico STILL won't be legally able to carry enough drugs to sell!

Sanders said the bill could "not come at a worse time" for Mexicans during the national debate over immigration.

"I think it completely changes the arguments that are being talked about by the different sides," Sanders said. "I think this is going to stiffen the issues. I think that it's going to be necessary to have a much more secure border."

Ah... now we know why Sanders is raising a stink. Because he can turn this into an argument for further securing the border.
 
Crazeee said:
This week, the US Senate voted to divert nearly $2 billion dollars from the Iraq war effort and instead use the money to beef up enforcement efforts along the US-Mexican border.

This is, of course, after months of hearing that we haven't had enough troops and we have deprived them of money to be spent on upgraded gear and what not. Not to mention the reconstruction budget has been depleted. But we're in it for the long haul!

Driven by the explosive emergence of the immigration issue as immigrants and their supporters took to the streets in massive numbers to block a House bill that many have criticized as draconian, the move is only the latest in a long line of efforts to secure the borders.

Notice, emergence of the immigration ISSUE! Not that immigration has changed at all. Not that it's any more or less of a problem. No, what happened is a bunch of truly ignorant Americans wearing American flag shirts who realized we were losing the War on Terrorism decided to pick a war against immigration to protect ourselves from a non-existent enemy they feel they can beat!

$2 billion dollars to tackle a problem where there's no cohesive plan to stop illegal immigration! $2 billion dollars on doomed program instead of simply accepting the fact that you're going to have X amount of immigrants coming from Mexico every year and simply MAKING IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO LEGALLY IMMIGRATE FROM LATIN AMERICA TO THE UNITED STATES SINCE THEY'RE GOING TO BE HERE ANYWAYS! Not to mention that we already know Latin Americans are willing to pay hundreds if not thousands of dollars for a "coyote" to take them to the United States... when we could simply charge them the same prices to come here legally... so instead of spending $2 billion dollars tackling a problem we can't solve, we could be profitting from them! Which would also keep illegals from driving up medical expenses (uninsured visits to the emergency room) and from depleting tax funded programs (because we could make sure to tax all of them to the fullest extent)!

The problem with the United States is that we have an entirely unrealistic population of people that would rather make a point than show weakness by compromising or admitting that some problems can't be solved with the ideal solution. And we're such an irrational people that we'll come up with complete bullshit instead of presenting logical and truthful arguments to come up with realistic solutions. We'd rather debate issues that honestly have nothing to do with the REAL issue. And we're willing to waste unprecendented sums of money to defend our money.

In millions of individual decisions every day, Americans vote for more drugs and more undocumented workers, while at the same time screaming for more border security.

What we need here in the United States is to wage a Holocaust against Conservatives, identify Republicans and throw them all into concentration camps.

In addition, we can resolve over-population fears by deporting a Evangelical Christian for every Latin immigrant that comes here. Since waging an Inquisition against Evangelical Christians would require torture. And while I'm fine with locking people up and killing them, I don't believe in causing people unneccessary suffering.

Sometimes, border crossers die at the hands of the Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). "We've had at least five officer-involved shootings here in recent months," said Rios. "In one case in December, a migrant climbed the fence and was shot. He made it to a hospital in Tijuana, where he died. The Border Patrol said he was trying to throw a rock at the agent, but the autopsy showed he was shot in the back."

Which is of course okay to Evangelical Christians, conservatives and Republicans. Again, all the more reason why real Americans need to wage a Holocaust against them.

The abuses are on the increase, Rios said. "As we have seen an increase in border enforcement personnel, we have also seen an increase in human rights abuses, including those directed at US citizens and legal permanent residents. We are receiving more complaints that they are being verbally and physically maltreated. In one case, a woman with a new-born child complained that a Customs agent forced her to express milk from her breasts to prove the infant was hers. That's the kind of thing we deal with on a regular basis," Rios said. "It's getting worse."

I read another article today where Salvadoran women travelling from Mexico into the United States EXPECT to be raped along the way and consider it a price of having the opportunity for a better life. They actually start taking birth control 1-3 months before crossing the border in order to avoid unwanted pregnancy as a result. One statistic shows the occurance of rape to Latin American women crossing the border into the United States as being over 90%. They seriously consider it to be more or less the payment.

"Every year, there is another crackdown, another cry for more enforcement, another hunk of money for militarizing the border, but nothing seems to change much," said Caroline Isaacs, director of the American Friends Service Committee Arizona Sector.

Well, as far as militarizing the border goes... it really hasn't been done. What good is the National Guard doing in rural Connecticut? None. What good is having active-duty soldiers on military bases in Virginia doing? None. These soldiers could be deployed in strong enough numbers along the border to greatly curtail immigration. It's not like they're doing anything else other than sitting around getting paid to do nothing and earning a free education. All on taxpayer money.

Then again, I personally could care less about illegal immigration. With the exception that I'm entirely opposed to women being raped and other immigrants being taken advantage of by coyotes. So I could care less about enforcing the border.

I live in an area with an extremely high population of immigrants, legal and not. They all come here to work. They don't cause trouble. My ancestors did the same. They don't bother me in the slightest. Minus the few MS-13 gang members. Those guys should all be shot. But I almost never see them. So whatever. One of my co-workers is Salvadoran. She's cool. And she has two jobs. She's a better American than me.

Last year and this year, we've had the press fawning over armed vigilantes like the Minutemen taking the law into their own hands, and hard-line anti-immigration folks in Washington took that as a mandate that people are fed up and immigration is a crisis.

Yeah, we have a chapter of them in Herndon, where I work. They're mostly a bunch of unemployed white losers who go to areas where immigrant day laborers congregate to be picked up for jobs. I often wonder why the Minutemen complain about getting laid off from their jobs and spend all their time harassing immigrants rather than standing with them to get work instead of being a bunch of faggots making my people look bad.

Not to mention that many of my ancestors WERE Minutemen. At least 9 of them fought at Lexington and Concord and Bunker Hill. What these new Minutemen are doing has nothing to do with protecting the nation as my ancestors did. They are a disgrace to white people and Americans everywhere. And they shame the good name of the real Minutemen. They should suffer in the new American Holocaust.

As for the terrorist threat, that is a canard, Dunn said. "They have never caught anyone terrorist-related coming across the Mexican border," he said. "The Border Patrol says it sees maybe a thousand people a year coming across the border from Muslim countries, and those are largely labor migrants. All of this talk about Al Qaeda learning Spanish or linking Mara Salvatrucha with Al Qaeda is utter bullshit. To call a street gang terrorism is simply absurd." Which for all intents and purposes leaves US border agencies again focused on non-military matters like the drug trade.

To link MS-13 to anti-American terrorism, yes, that's absurd. To say that MS-13, which kills rival gang members and witnesses, often by hacking them to death with, often with machettes... to say that MS-13, a gang who has even threatened an EMT friend of mine for helping to save a rival gang member who'd been shot... to say they aren't engaged in a form of terrorism is utter bullshit. They aren't just out there commiting crimes, they're out there terrorizing people to empower and protect themselves. They don't use machettes and baseball bats just to kill people, they do it so others are afraid. That is terrorism.

Confrontations could -- and have -- taken place not only with immigrants and drug traffickers, but with elements of the Mexican military, which is under increasing pressure from the US to step up its fight against cross-border drug trafficking. "There have been shooting incidents between the Mexican Army and US agents, said Dunn, "but those are likely cases of mistaken identity. Still, these incidents add to the mix of tension and instability," he said.

I'm really getting sick of these media reports about the Mexican millitary. A lot of these incidents can probably be attributed to Zeta, which the US media intentionally ignores so they can sell their sensationalized stories. Not to mention that disguising yourself as military is a good way for smugglers to get their drugs to the border. It's not like these people can't afford to buy Humvees and surplus (even stolen) military gear, uniforms and equipment.
 
I was doing all that shit in Tijuana Mexico before it was made legal, now its just gonna be less sketchy. I live in San Diego. Heroin and Meth are so easy to get in decent quality. The Cocaine can be good, but not always. ANd lookout- the cabbies try and pass off indian head somas as "e"
 
Mexico's got the right idea going on. Now just give it a couple years to see how the war with drug lords is going and maybe they'll raise the amount a person can have on them. Hopefully..
 
lifeisforliving said:
Wonderful news. Finally some rational thinking is happening...

So what does that make now?

Brazil - Possesion of most substances legal?
Bolivia - Posed to make coca leaf legal?
Mexico - Possession of most substances legal?

Did I miss any?

Looks like a trend is starting to appear.....

Russia - possession of all drugs decriminalized, Portugal - the same and I think Spain is a fair way down that path as well...

There's going to be a lot of hair being pulled out and teeth gnashing in the DEA and the US government over this. Wouldn't it just be so funny if Canada was to do the same - drug crazed countries on every US border.

Even better if the EU decided to impliment that as well - I belive there'd be an outbreak, in US government departments of fits of apoplexy!
 
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