Meth Methamphetamine cut with barbiturates

[penultimate]

I've only tried meth a few times in my life and the last time was different. The euphoria I remembered was blunted and I definitely experienced a loss of coordination, stumbling, like being drunk. I ended up going to the ER where they gave me a blood test and lo and behold it came up positive for Meth *and* barbiturates. Also, my heart rate and BP were pretty normal. I swore up and down to my doctor that I have never taken barbiturates (in my life but I could tell he didn't believe me. I asked if it could have been fentanyl or something instead and he was pretty adamant about the accuracy of the test, and said that meth cut with fentanyl is pretty much unheard of.
This was in Seattle about a year ago. I remember the meth was a lot of shards, not powder. The only way I could have tested positive is if the barbiturates were cut into that meth, period and it certainly explains my experience. Has anybody else heard of this practice? Thanks!

 

[polarthedog]

that’s new to me, I’ve definitely heard of it being cut with fent, that doc is for sure during about that, but if the blood test says barbiturates, must be true right? Sounds horribly dangerous, maybe more so than fent actually

Idk if you know this, but the dosage of barbs that gets you high Andy the dosage that could kill you are pretty damn close

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I've only tried meth a few times in my life and the last time was different. The euphoria I remembered was blunted and I definitely experienced a loss of coordination, stumbling, like being drunk. I ended up going to the ER where they gave me a blood test and lo and behold it came up positive for Meth *and* barbiturates. Also, my heart rate and BP were pretty normal. I swore up and down to my doctor that I have never taken barbiturates (in my life but I could tell he didn't believe me. I asked if it could have been fentanyl or something instead and he was pretty adamant about the accuracy of the test, and said that meth cut with fentanyl is pretty much unheard of.
This was in Seattle about a year ago. I remember the meth was a lot of shards, not powder. The only way I could have tested positive is if the barbiturates were cut into that meth, period and it certainly explains my experience. Has anybody else heard of this practice? Thanks!

If it was done instantly at the hospital it is likely an immunoassay type of test with are extremely prone to errors and false positives.

this is why when people are tested for legal reasons or rehab the initial immunoassay test is then sent of for what they call in the clinical laboratory field as "confirmation” using an lcms or gcms testing (mass spectrometry).

Not test can be beleieved unless this is done.

Most medical doctors are completely clueless as to clinical laboratory testing as are most of the technicians actually running the tests.

 

[penultimate]

that’s new to me, I’ve definitely heard of it being cut with fent, that doc is for sure during about that, but if the blood test says barbiturates, must be true right? Sounds horribly dangerous, maybe more so than fent actually

Idk if you know this, but the dosage of barbs that gets you high Andy the dosage that could kill you are pretty damn close

From Wikipedia I found out that a combination Dextroamphetamine sulfate (Dexedrine) and Sodium Amobarbital known as Dexamyl Spansules was available by prescription in the late 50's, and became so popular/addictive by the 70's that they took them off the market and they're no longer manufactured. They were called "Christmas trees" which I vaguely think I've heard of. Anyway that doesn't exactly solve the mystery. I wonder if I got an "experimental" batch or something, Anyway, thanks!

Also - is this the right/best forum to be posting to for this question? thx.

 

[penultimate]

If it was done instantly at the hospital it is likely an immunoassay type of test with are extremely prone to errors and false positives.

this is why when people are tested for legal reasons or rehab the initial immunoassay test is then sent of for what they call in the clinical laboratory field as "confirmation” using an lcms or gcms testing (mass spectrometry).

Not test can be beleieved unless this is done.

Most medical doctors are completely clueless as to clinical laboratory testing as are most of the technicians actually running the tests.

No the blood work only came back a couple of days later and the medical doctor is an addiction specialist who frequents the ER and its a major hospital, people are OD'ing there all the time. Maybe just a freak batch or something. I guess a lesson is just being crystalline (shards) gives you no guarantee of purity.

 

[polarthedog]

I guess a lesson is just being crystalline (shards) gives you no guarantee of purity.

You know, your thread will probably help a atleast one person by clearly demonstrating this point

I mean you taught me something, I’ve literally NEVER a heard of this

 

[LucidSDreamr]

No the blood work only came back a couple of days later and the medical doctor is an addiction specialist who frequents the ER and its a major hospital, people are OD'ing there all the time. Maybe just a freak batch or something. I guess a lesson is just being crystalline (shards) gives you no guarantee of purity.

They can still send out to labs that do not do mass spectrometry. So the sample was tested via gcms or lcms? Otherwise it can’t be beleieved 100% especially in these days of all kinds of RCs which themseleves are impure and could react with the reagents used in clinical testing.

Doesn’t matter that he’s an addiction specialist I’ve spoken to plenty of them in detail about this exact topic that were completely clueless as to how the tests are run and how reliable respective tests are and just take the labs word as gospel. Some were even the official lab directors and had no clue.

These clinical labs mostly operate completely without someone with an advanced degree in toxicology and it’s quite alarming the amount of incompetence and errors they produce and the system needs an overhaul imo.

Also cross contamination with other samples or more likely in this case "standards" used to compare your sample against is extremely common.

Just think about barbiturates are probably rare and expensive to come by theses days…why would someone cut a super cheap drug like meth or fentanyl with a more expensive less potent and rare drug?

 

[Snafu in the Void]

I guess a lesson is just being crystalline (shards) gives you no guarantee of purity.

Definitely not, particularly with meth. It's incredibly simple and easy to cut it, then recrystallize it into huge crystals. A braindead low level dealer with zero chemistry knowledge could do it.

Some of the worst meth I've ever had looked very pure and was huge crystals.

 

[polarthedog]

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[Skorpio]

This is weird to me, because barbituates tend to be on the weak side as drugs go. Barbituates like amobarbital and secobarbital were dosed at 100 mg/capsule, which seems like a rather weak agent to cut meth with without severely reducing it's potency. What route of administration did you consume it by?

 

[jasperkent]

What strikes me is that it makes no sense whatsoever to mix barbs with meth, since one is a depressant and the other a stimulant. The result would be shitty meth.

Sounds like an accident to me. Same with fent-- if I got meth or coke that caused me to nod I'd be really pissed off.

 

[jasperkent]

Idk if you know this, but the dosage of barbs that gets you high (and) the dosage that could kill you are pretty damn close

This is indeed very true.
I've ODed on barbs a couple times because I took just a tiny bit too much. One minute I was feeling great, the next minute it was 5 days later and I'm in ICU on a ventilator.

 

[JackARoe]

I agree with Lucid, the initial tests are off. Who the hell has barbs anymore other than phenobarbital? The most useless barb for recreation.

I do miss secobarbitol. Never OD'd and only drank once on them. Unless dark net (even so) I find it hard to believe they still exist anywhere.

 

[penultimate]

I agree with Lucid, the initial tests are off. Who the hell has barbs anymore other than phenobarbital? The most useless barb for recreation.

I do miss secobarbitol. Never OD'd and only drank once on them. Unless dark net (even so) I find it hard to believe they still exist anywhere.

Thinking back I remember that the effect I felt (loss of motor control) didn't last that long, maybe 4-5 hours whereas I read that barbiturates typically have much longer half-lives; like phenobarbital tops out around 90 hours (!). I know Fentanyl matches up with the short duration I experienced so from this thread I can only conclude it must have been that. The streets here are awash with that stuff. That's scary - I'm totally opiate naive, that shit has always scared me and I'm sure it wouldn't take much to kill me.

The doctor did say that dealers cut meth with Fentanyl so people don't gnash their teeth which I guess must be a common complaint. Anyway, my days of experimenting with this stuff is over. Finding out that meth is associated with increased chance of late life Parkinson's disease freaked me out too, but that's another story. Thanks to everyone who replied on this thread!

 

[penultimate]

This is weird to me, because barbituates tend to be on the weak side as drugs go. Barbituates like amobarbital and secobarbital were dosed at 100 mg/capsule, which seems like a rather weak agent to cut meth with without severely reducing it's potency. What route of administration did you consume it by?

I just snorted a few small lines. I gave the rest to the doc and asked if they could test it but I never did find out.