TDS Methadone clinic, what to say ?

john24

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I'm thinking about going to a methadone clinic for the first time here in the U.S. (having terrible methadone withdrawals)

Only thing i'm uncertain about....rumors are that :

1) You must have some sort of opiates currently in your system to be accepted. (i'm not sure if anything will show up...even though my withdrawals are crazy bad at the moment)

2) You can't mention anything that your taking methadone for pain...or they won't accept you. You have to say your an addict.

Are these 2 things correct? And anybody that could guide me through the process = much appreciated.
 
Dont bump your own threads its considered bad practice as most do get responded to and these are basic questions so someone will get to them :)

The only thing I can say is that you do need opiates in your system to get on methadone. Methadone is a very strong and dangerous narcotic so the patients getting on it must have some tolerance to opiates or they would be at risk of death in standard dosing amounts. Getting an appointment with a clinic is not the same as getting admitted. You say you are struggling and you want better for yourself, if you feel methadone is an option then go down there and see what comes of it. I know that clinics do take pain patients; my dealers wife had cancer couldnt afford her oxys and had to get on methadone. It may not be the most common thing but it does happen.

I can not say you will get in if you have nothing in your system. It really depends on where your located, what type of clinic it is and how they do their dosing. If you have insurance the first appointment to see if you qualify will be free, most likely. I say giver it a shot really, without insurance the intake was 40 for me.

But the real question is if you have no opiates in your system and you are suffering from methadone withdrawal then your last dose was like 5-7 days ago (long half life) then what is your reasoning for continuing opiates? It would almost seem, and i am not judging you at all, you might be able to get past this little bump.
 
thanks, i'll be more careful with the bumpin.

Regarding my 'issue' here. I've got some money...and good insurance. My script for methadone before this was only $10 for the whole month. (10mg 2 times a day)

But my doctor friggin cut me off cold when I wouldn't go in for an EKG...that he made it seem like is required to be on methadone. I bullsht'd him a little...I finally got the EKG, but he was too pissed off at me by then...so he said the EKG was abnormal when it wasn't. (other doctors confirmed it was normal) But still he cut me off cold, and I was thrown into a tailspin, knowing no other doctors would prescribe this for me...knowing he was one of the few pain docs in the area that would.

The withdrawal is (still so intense) a week later... Was very close to going to the ER two nights ago...because I couldn't sleep or think....every thought was nightmarish. The thing that prevented me from going to the ER was being unsure if they would treat me with methadone. So far according to my medical records, i'm not an addict...and my prescriptions are just for chronic pain. (but i'm feeling pretty close that my records will be flagged soon if I keep doing every refills)

Your thoughts? can I get my methadone if I go to the ER? I heard that addicts in general won't get it...but if you have a solid chronic pain diagnosis , your chance is better. I just dont know, so I don't wanna waste money going to the ER. I'll be more POd afterwards. But my withdrawal is STILL soo intense. I still can't sleep for 3 days now...but last night I was self-comforting myself a little better with as many positive thoughts as possible...and yes, believe it or not...i'm doing this all alone.

can't believe he cut me off like this....it is absolutely the worst thing i've ever experienced in my life. Doctors shouldn't even be allowed to do this...right?

This is why I brought up the clinic in the first place...because I need something urgently. But then found out there's a waiting list a couple days ago...even though it still costs $400 a month for methadone treatment. (can't believe people pay this much...and that there's a waiting list)

already drained out...need a rest already.
 
The ER likely will not treat you with methadone or any other opiate. If I was you I would start calling around to pain management clinics and see if you can get an appointment with one of them.
 
Hey John. If I were you I'd go to an urgent care and be completely honest. You most likely won't get any methadone, but you'll get SOMETHING for relief. I'm very sorry this happened to you. Methadone is no joke so be careful and think hard before starting the clinic. It's designed for addicts.
 
If you want to PM me I can likely give you a list of MAT providers in your area john. As others have said, the ER will almost certainly not give you methadone, but it's likely they will give you something. Depending on the hospital/ER, they may not even give you something if they decide you're an addict or "drug seeker".

What dose of methadone were you on? I also will say to think very carefully about getting on methadone through the clinic. It's not such an issue as with others as you've been taking methadone for what seems like quite some time, but it's still a big change. From the little you've mentioned about your history, it kinda sounds like you may have problems using methadone as prescribed. That makes me think that the clinic may be a good option for you, but it's ultimately up to you. Consider your choices carefully.

Methadone stays in your system for a long time. Most clinics (at least those I'm aware of) will not deny care just because you had been taking methadone or that you have chronic pain issues. When the methadone shows up in your urine, say you had been getting it on the street or that you had to supplement your prescription with more methadone you got illegally. Don't just say it was from your script, it won't go as long a way in demonstrating to them that you're an acceptable MAT patient. I mean, a good clinic would accept you just on the grounds you cannot take your script as prescribed, but these are incredibly few and far between. The more you can demonstrate, or make them believe, not being on methadone at the clinic will put you at significant, real risk - from the police for engaging in illegal actions like buying methadone on the street; from overdosing; etc. etc. - the better the chances are they will accept you as a patient.

That you'd been taking methadone for pain dose complicate the issue, as most clinics explicitly will not treat chronic pain, only addiction. Most clinic won't treat chronic pain, but they also won't turn away a patient just because they suffer from chronic pain either. It's just that the methadone they will prescribe you isn't meant to be used to treat chronic pain or any issue other than addiction.

If you go in and tell them you're an addict and that the reason you had the script for methadone was because you were a drug seeker, that you can't control your use of your medication (the methadone you were prescribed), or something that will get them to see you as an addict first and foremost. It can be a double edged sword, in that you'll be labeled like that, but if you need the help ASAP it is probably your best bet.

Regarding the chronic pain issue, I would recommend (really this is something you should absolutely do) setting up an appointment with the clinic manager (either on the phone or in person) to talk about how they treat addiction, how the clinic works, your issues (that you can't take your meds as prescribed, are an addict, etc. etc.) and how your other conditions (e.g. chronic pain) will impact your MAT options. Ask lots of questions, write a list of questions you have before you call or see the manager so you're on your game, because this will really help you decide if the clinic is for you or even if it's a realistic option for you given your circumstances.

Can you find another doctor in your area to prescribed methadone for your condition? If you have the EKG and it shows the all clear and have other evidence of your condition warranting methadone, in a way (in terms of convenience that is) this would be far preferable to getting methadone from the clinic. That said, it kinda sounds like you have a problem taking your meds as prescribed, so the structure of taking methadone through the clinic sounds like the best option for you.

Best of luck OP. Sending you the big <3 Hope you get some relief ASAP.

BTW if you ever used DXM to get high, taking enough DXM for a first plateau dose will eliminate most of your withdrawal symptoms and make you feel infinitely better. Be careful about taking this, because there can be a lot of significant interactions between DXM and other medication (i.e. with an MAOI or SSRI/SNRI type antidepressant). It's amazing how well it work though, and I do highly recommend it. 150mg-300mg will totally blow your mind. In that you won't be in such crappy withdrawal anymore ;)
 
thanks for the support ^^

got about 3 hours of sleep finally... (after 4 straight days on 0 sleep) Never really knew how traumatic being completely sleepless could be...until you have something like this happen to you. feel like I was borderline-insane the 3rd night....and thinking to myself if I did go to the ER....wondered if they'd throw me up to the 4th floor. (mental ward) :D

better today. I incensed the house with Sage yesterday, and it helped me significantly...with energy and spirit.
 
thanks for the support ^^



better today. I incensed the house with Sage yesterday, and it helped me significantly...with energy and spirit.

I love it that you did that.:) Keep nurturing yourself like that. Being aware of something as intangible as 'spirit' in all this is essential IMO.
 
That you'd been taking methadone for pain dose complicate the issue, as most clinics explicitly will not treat chronic pain, only addiction. Most clinic won't treat chronic pain, but they also won't turn away a patient just because they suffer from chronic pain either. It's just that the methadone they will prescribe you isn't meant to be used to treat chronic pain or any issue other than addiction.

Toothpasteddog, if you're still out there i'd love a reply from u...as i'm pretty much in this new situation now. (or anybody else that can answer)

I've been lucky to find a good pain doctor, that fully documents my chronic pain issues. He'll give me 10mg's , 2 times a day. And he continues to treat me at this dose.

But I need it 4 times a day.

How should I go about it, when going to a clinic and asking for 10mg's 2 times a day from them as well. Should I tell them i'm currently going to a pain doc...and getting treated at that dose, or no ? And since I already get a script , so I can take my dosages at home...can i ask them for the same dosage to take home ? like what should or shouldn't I say?

I appreciate any advice a TON.
 
It doesnt work like that. The clinic is not pain management its for drug addicts. You will have to fail a urine test for illicit opiates. Or atleast pain pills you dont have a script for! Then there are rules. They wont just give you two extra doses to take at home bc you feel your dr doesnt give u enough! You dose once a day and in front of them until you earn your take homes. The dosages for pain pts and addicts is very different.
 
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It doesnt work like that. The clinic is not pain management its for drug addicts. You will have to fail a urine test for illicit opiates. Or atleast pain pills you dont have a script for! Then there are rules. They wont just give you two extra doses to take at home bc you feel your dr doesnt give u enough! You dose once a day and in front of them until you earn your take homes. The dosages for pain pts and addicts is very different.

my3sons, i'm just wondering then if I tell them I have methadone in my system...and don't tell them how I got it. If I can just start like that.

do they actually co-ordinate with county dea / doctors to see if i'm currently getting pain meds from a local doctor ? that's the part I need to know the most.

Thanks
 
Im not sure. My clinic requires 1 plus years of opiate addiction. Also took me 10 days to get my 1st appt. Had to keep shooting dope in the meantime!
 
John, the only way to know for sure is to ask at the clinic. Where I used to work in Florida, we had clients who were prescribed pain meds from physicians and go to methadone clinic as well because they would always run out early. But those were the clinics that took cash only. I made a couple inquiries and was told the only requirement was to be in withdrawal and of course, pay the daily fee if you plan to go every day. But this is not your situation and I've seen more than a couple people overdose because they were "double dipping."

The county run clinics have more stringent rules like others have mentioned, especially My3sons said the clinic is not meant for pain management. Whether you're allowed to do both or not, it makes no sense to go to a clinic every day when you already have a doctor prescribing methadone. I'm assuming you signed a contract with your new pain doctor right? (they are explicit that you are not to get pain meds from another source) Don't jeopardize your relationship with this new doctor like you did with the last one. I would suggest being honest at your next visit and tell him you feel your dose isn't enough.
 
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Yes, they aren't pain doctors so DO NOT MENTION PAIN. I got on OxyContin for pain but the dose I needed for pain was too much increasingly I needed more because I was addicted to it. My family doc Quit, then I HAD to go to a pain clinic. Well there are strict rules for pain there too so here I was addicted to OxyContin I'd just had surgery to help with pain, took neurontin for that then I had arivan to help me taper down on OxyContin and every four hr oxycodone I was on for pain. The clinic I went to as self pay $240 4 wks. Had no problem raising my dose raising it whenever I felt the need as I went on. I ended up on 130 and I am trying to get down to 30.i can't go in and be treated at a mental hospital even now, with the dose I am in. Even my self pay clinic now requires you see a doctor for each time you go up after a certain dose. I'm down now, and going down SLOWLY. I go to the free clinic now and let me tell you! It's strict. I lost my monthly privledges right away for coming accidentally on the day early. I can't believe it, but today I missed!! What the H? As I saw it as 6:30 my alarm was set for three times close to 6:30 they close early on Saturdays. As I was dreaming that Nikele why did you set your alarm so early? I put my glasses on and set not for8:30, one for 9:30. I was dreaming that I did not understand why I would want to go so early! Damn I'll never get monthlies!! I'm already on a 90-day probation to get monthlies, but still seeing the monthlies counselor. she said the worst thing is to get withdrawals. I'm scared! :sus::(8):?
 
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Go to one or the other for the methadone. Either you're an addict or a pain patient in the eyes of anyone giving out methadone ask theclinicfor anifher dose. You are not smart to do what you are doing. My clinic asks for EVERYother drug. Take, Otc. or script. Why can't you just say you are needing more or you feel like you might use again, and take too much____ that got you there in the first place. Or ask ur doc.
 
It is not unusual to treat chronic pain issues with methadone, using shorter acting opposed at lower doses for breakthrough pain. Any doctor could prescribe methadone for pain, but only clinic doctors can prescribe it for addiction in the US. If you can, and you feel you won't end up gobbling up you methadone script before it's time to fill it, and you live in a country with draconian drug policies like the US, getting your methadone through a pain doctor is the way to go.

There are so many issues with methadone clinics I wouldn't know where to begin, but if you feel you need structure and accountability they are useful. Then again, with a good doctor you could set it up so you only get your script once a week.
 
John24 you can call the clinic anonymously and say you don't want to give your name and they will answer your questions. Also ask the people that go to whichever clinic you want to, ask them outside. That's what I did. They were so helpful.
 
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