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methadone, buprenorphine and other opioid pharmacotherapies

^ Yeap I kid you not. And 2.5 months is waaaaay at the early side of the scale. Methadone here is mandatory 6 months dosing every day.

I swear every person I know / meet that are on the methadone programme shoot all their takeaways. I saw this woman recently shoot HALF A GRAM
Mad shit
 
footscrazy said:
^ That's pretty shitty, especially that it got spread around so much while noone spoke to you. In terms of what should you do - what's your main concern? Are your family judgemental people or something? I think it really depends on how they're taking this, and what their opinion of the situation is, as to how you should deal with this.

If they've known about it for months (and it seems like you weren't aware of that), maybe they aren't judging you for it, but just didn't know how to bring it up with you. Maybe they're waiting for you to be ready to tell them.
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At first my dad tried to deny the whole thing.

Yeah they are all really judgemental - and Im already looked down on as Im not getting into the uni - job - dog - wife - house - kids routine. I brought up with my parents how unacceptable it was for them to read and share information I was clearly keeping to myself and they just justified their actions by saying I shouldn't have left a letter in an opened envelope lying around - And that ' We thought the family should know. '
yeah. No sorry for sharing your medical records. No asking me if I thought the family should know

They said I have 'their full support' etc blah blah which really sounded like 'how did this happen, how quickly can you quit suboxone, and this would never have happened to any of our other kids'
I just told them I might not even still be going to the clinic, I might be one of their patients that are on / finished a taper.....

The best solution I can think of is getting a letter from the clinic saying I have completed a taper and counselling etc etc - somehow I dont think they will lie for me so I may have to forge the letter.
 
brighton said:
At first my dad tried to deny the whole thing.

Yeah they are all really judgemental - and Im already looked down on as Im not getting into the uni - job - dog - wife - house - kids routine. I brought up with my parents how unacceptable it was for them to read and share information I was clearly keeping to myself and they just justified their actions by saying I shouldn't have left a letter in an opened envelope lying around - And that ' We thought the family should know. '
yeah. No sorry for sharing your medical records. No asking me if I thought the family should know

They said I have 'their full support' etc blah blah which really sounded like 'how did this happen, how quickly can you quit suboxone, and this would never have happened to any of our other kids'
I just told them I might not even still be going to the clinic, I might be one of their patients that are on / finished a taper.....

The best solution I can think of is getting a letter from the clinic saying I have completed a taper and counselling etc etc - somehow I dont think they will lie for me so I may have to forge the letter.
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That's really fucked up. Especially the fact that they went and told the whole family. At least having a repressed family means the most I get is awkward silences and passive aggressive glares occasionally :p

Honestly man, it sounds like the damage is done. I don't see how a letter (real or otherwise) saying you're off the medication will significantly change the altered perception of you that people have once they know you were/are addicted to opiates, and it might just cause drama if they find out you lied. Just tell them that if they aren't going to respect your privacy they should back off, and don't talk about it with them if they refuse to be supportive.
 
Wasn't sure were to post this but any help would be great.

I've been using opiates, mostly oxy and H about twice a week for around 8-12 weeks now. I've been eating and snorting. I'm now about a day(what I feel) into slight withdrawals. Started with uncomfortable body aches and restlessness and then I woke up and had to call in sick as my anxiety was through the roof and I couldn't stop myself from crying from the depression. I expect as time progresses the symtpoms will get worse.

I'd like to know if anyone with experience on such doses and has gone through withdrawal and how long roughly do you think I'll be looking at withdrawing for? Will it last a week? When does the general anxiety go away?

The problem I have is my work is labor intensive working outdoors and on top of that the general anxiety I'm feeling there's no say I can put myself through the emotional stress by going in.. When my boss would just end up sending me home for crying anyway... I've taken tomorrow off work and I'm really fucking hoping in 5 days I'll feel more emotionally stable and not crippled to the point I can't work.

Thanks again for any help.
 
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Sounds like fairly typical opiate withdrawal mate. What sort of doses (mg) were you taking?
You can expect your physical symptoms to last 3 - 5 days and you can expect some degree of lingering anxiety ( Look up PAWS )

Go buy some loperamide, this will help a lot with the physical symptoms, try 20mg to start with
Good luck!! The worst will be over soon :)
 
Crankinit said:
That's really fucked up. Especially the fact that they went and told the whole family. At least having a repressed family means the most I get is awkward silences and passive aggressive glares occasionally :p

Honestly man, it sounds like the damage is done. I don't see how a letter (real or otherwise) saying you're off the medication will significantly change the altered perception of you that people have once they know you were/are addicted to opiates, and it might just cause drama if they find out you lied. Just tell them that if they aren't going to respect your privacy they should back off, and don't talk about it with them if they refuse to be supportive.
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Thanks for the advice I really appreciate it =D
 
brighton said:
Sounds like fairly typical opiate withdrawal mate. What sort of doses (mg) were you taking?
You can expect your physical symptoms to last 3 - 5 days and you can expect some degree of lingering anxiety ( Look up PAWS )

Go buy some loperamide, this will help a lot with the physical symptoms, try 20mg to start with
Good luck!! The worst will be over soon :)
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I've been dosing around 20-60 mg of oxy with doses of 50-100 mg of H.

Thanks for the reply mate. I hope it dosent last longer then 5-7 days.
 
Did you get some loperamide? I couldn't believe how well it worked for me. Can you get any benzos?
Other good stuff includes - hot baths / showers. paracetamol, ibuprofen. anything sedating to help you sleep/take the edge off your anxiety

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I'll get a chance to go out tomorrow for the l.mide

Tonight I've been having cones with a couple drinks to try get the restlessness down. I'm not sure it's really working, I'll see when I go to bed. Hope I can sleep 8(
 
I'm really surprised you're feeling that way from using twice a week, I think life's given you a shit deal in that respect. When you say you're a day into your withdrawals - how long ago was your last dose? I feel that with short acting opies like h and oxy withdrawals peak around 48-72 hours in. I can't imagine with your use the acute stage will last more than another day or two, the problem with these sort of timescales though is that the lingering effects, especially the psychological effects, can seem to hang around for longer.

It's really hard to give you any solid deadlines because this effects everyone so differently but with your level of use I think you should be fine to go into work Monday. You might not be bounding in but it should be manageable.
 
Thanks For your reply FC.

I should mention I had 4 mg of suboxone last wednesday(9 days ) then 40 mg of oxy Friday then two days later got the H. The last time I Used was midday on Monday. I used half a point of H and IM'd it(I forgot to also mention this initially, but I bought a point Sunday and due to tolerance and a mates recommendation) Sunday, then did the other half point the next day. Both times blew any recent opiate experience out of the water(used to IV h a year back, have no cravings whatsoever thinking about sticking it in my vein, even while prepping up to IM my thigh)

So I guess it sounds about right as Wednesday night I was starting to feel 'off'.

I got to sleep alright which is what I hoped for, got a really good sleep actually.
 
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The only issue I've had is after being on methadone for several days. I took my prescribed sub and immediately had wd. other than that, I can do any other opiates.
 
Just thought I would drop by to offer something which has been of benefit lately:

Ever since I started Suboxone I've always swallowed after buccal use, because, well... I thought maybe a small amount would absorb through the mucous membranes in the throat or something. Typical border-line retarded addict thinking of course. Recently I've decided to start spitting it out, and the results have been unquestionably noticeable and impressive. Pinned and euphoric like I haven't been in a long time (ahhh that pleasant itching!). No inexplicably random feelings of withdrawal which have been plaguing me (even after I had just recently taken a dose I would get them). No nausea/headaches which I used to get. Much cleaner experience. Can't believe I didn't know to do this at the start (it seems counter-intuitive right). Online I've found plenty of other reports consistent with these findings, but also a few which dissenters who say it doesn't matter. Either way I highly recommend it, especially if you've been getting the aforementioned side-effects.
 
I can't wait to get off methadone, im switching over to bupe ASAP and it cant happen soon enough. Ive already started reducing my methadone dose by 25mg, I could switch now if I wanted but I will keep reducing each week until a vacancy is available in the detox ward because it might take awhile and the lower I am on my meth dose the easier it will be to switch and the less bupe I will need to be on. Ideally id like to be on 8-12mg but I might have to try 16mg for the first week or two.

Ive done all this before, I switched to suboxone successfully years ago after being on methadone after my initial heroin/oxy addiction. I stayed on it for years and it was much more functional than methadone but I need to be in a comfortable place in life. Ive used heroin once in the last year, I do have a pretty serious Benzodiazepine and methamphetamine addiction unfortunately but im not using opiates except for what is prescribed. So coming off treatment completely is not an option but I think I am safe enough to reduce my treatment and start moving on with life. I really don't want to be on methadone forever.
 
I need help. I hate meth, bit I heard it helps a lot with this hell I'm going thru. I am trying to kick sub after two years and my friend at work put a key fill of meth in a Gatorade bottle to drink for me and said it would help. Will it? I'm on probation and don't want to fuck up but I'm dying. Any thoughts??
 
^ Opiate withdrawal, yes? I imagine it would be like taking meth whilst having the flu and a hangover. I wouldn't.
 
I miss getting high sooooo much. Prescription day was such a joy.
Being homeless is stressful. Its too cold to be living in my van. Im still going to school every day. Sigh.
 
Helllo, I am looking for some serious help here! I started on Zubsolv 5.7 mg Wednesday. I have taken one pill a day since then, so today is day 5. After reading so many horror stories I am seriously considering quitting cold turkey. I have abused hydrocodone for 17 years and on and off (around 70mg - 100mg a day on and off for the past 8 years). I have been through withdrawals countless times. I last used hyrdrocodone on Thursday 4/23 and Went to an "addiction specialist" Dr. on Wednesday 4/29. I had already been through withdrawals and I was interested in a long term solution- so I would not relapse and go back to hydros. The Dr put me on subsolve (5.7 once a day) with no explanation of how long he intended me to be on it. After reading all over the internet in the past few days, and reading the horror stories, it looks like I may be better off to quit the subsolv and go another (non-medication) route. My question is, "After 5 days at 5.7mg, will I suffer the terrible withdrawals everyone is talking about? Do I need to do a slow taper? Should I do a faster taper 1/2 pill, then 1/4, then 1/8, for the next several days?" I'm shocked that the Dr. put me on this now that I am reading online forums! Should I see if I can get Valium prescibed for a few days and quit cold turkey?" If you have some wisdom about this, I would greatly appreciate it!
 
5.7mg is a strange dose. What country are you in out of interest?
Before you started the zubsolv, were you physically dependent on opiates? Could you go 3 days without?
What exactly are your concerns about the zubsolv? Is it the very long half life and associated long withdrawals?
 
How do you guys deal with the cravings?? Im constantly thinking about getting smashed on some good gear...
My case worker suggested raising my dose but Im really not keen , Im already on 8mg of suboxone.
 
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