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meth and the marquis reagent

bigfrankpgh

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I had posted this in 'other drugs' but was redirected to this forum
Ok folks... I know that amphetmines turn orange w/the marquis reagent...and I had a 20 sack of some particularly good crystal that fized and then turned a very bright, then dark (almost burnt looking) orange... My question for future reference is this... How well can you guage quality and type of amphetamine with the marquis reagent? I know the subtle differences between the whole mda-mdma family... but what, if any, difference is there within the amphetamine family?
 
You must keep in mind that there is more than one route to Crystal, which of course could result in a slightly different colour..
So colour is not a good guide either
(i.e. Ephedrine vs. pseudo-ephedrine)
TheGamer
 
Regarding the marquis reagent for meth... The amphetamine family is not the best test subject for this reagent. I don't crank, personally, but the fizzing indicates (most likely) that meth is by far the main constituent in what you have. The fizz is actually supposed to happen with the reagent test, but the reaction rate is slowed by impurities. Personally, I feel that meth is extremely dangerous by itself and also has the added danger of being made in makeshit meth labs (E must be made in a good quality lab -- it's a MUCH tougher synthesis) and often the final organic solvents (which are highly toxic) and impurities remain with the drug. If the marquis reagent tests orange, then blot your powder with a napkin. If the napkin comes up dry (ie not wet, oily, etc) then you're probably all right (relatively speaking). The new reagent you can get apparently is more accurate for this sort of test by the way.
 
ephedrine vs. pseudoephedrine: ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are stupidly named enantiomers, not structural isomers. since they actually have the SAME stereochemistry with respect to their methylamino group (they differ at the hydroxyl group), removing that hydroxyl group will always lead to D-methamphetamine.
the 'other' (major) route to crystal is rare now, but will lead to a racemic product.
technically, you can very easily qualitatively test the stereochemistry of a compound in solution with polarized lenses; you might want to look that up since D-meth and DL-meth have very different properties.
synthetic difficulty: the relative 'difficulty' of MDMA has a lot more to do with the difficulty of obtaining the starting materials than with the difficulty of the synthesis itself. yes, it is 'harder', but not really all that difficult. it doesn't need to be done under nitrogen; it doesn't even need anhydrous reagents or solvents like a Grignard reaction does.
final organic solvents: not really. the only organic solvent that's really vicious is benzene, and it's been almost entirely replaced by toluene, in legitimate labs (which have a choice) as well as clandestine (toluene is commercially available, benzene is not). in all likelihood, the solvent being used is diethyl ether (technically toxic, but it's recreationally abusable, and probably would do nothing at these doses), toluene (which IS toxic but not as vile as benzene) or acetone (also toxic). however all organic solvents have high vapor pressures (they're volatile) and evaporate very quickly. i've read that 'wet' or 'oily' crystal is caused by methamphetamine or ephedrine hydriodide.
there are other solvents that are evil. DMSO, for example, which i fear, and methanol, but neither are non-polar and wouldn't be used in the last step.
 
All I have to say is I am very glad that I took Organic I in college.... it allows me to actually keep up with the explanations... Thanx to all
 
Hmmm....

ephedrine vs. pseudoephedrine
....there are other solvents that are evil. DMSO, for example, which i fear, and methanol, but neither are non-polar and wouldn't be used in the last step.


Actually, that's not strictly true....

Methanol is used in the re-crystalisation (sometimes and by some individuals) of the obtained powdered methamphetamine hcl to purify and to get the shards that are so much better than the powder.

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