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Mephedrone Addiction

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On psychological addiction....
Remember that meph messes with brain chemicals... so presumably after extended use it'll take some time to stabilise again. Though obviously this will cause psychological symptoms, hence psychological addiction.

I just don't want it to be rolled into one with the idea that addicts probably have something missing or shit about their lives.

Not that I disagree with that either. The obvious thing wrong with me is that I have no interests/hobbies. I read, watch tv, and play computer games. Occassionally I'll write, paint, cook, makie crazy origami, etc - laudable passtimes, but nothing holds my interest for more than a few days at most.
I suppose specifically, there is nothing that I enjoy that I can't do on drugs.

I'm not psychologically addicted in the "I'm trying to escape because life is too difficult to deal with" way.

Tapering vs. cold turkey
I wish we could taper - is so much less scary! But no, as mugabe said, once we're on it, we won't stop.

For me, lower doses makes things much worse. If I take a dose that's too low to have a positive effect, it doesn't counteract the fiending, and shoots anxiety through the roof -- way way worse than normal fiending or craving.



I've started a blog on here, I'll try n keep track of the symptoms etc over the next few weeks (without having to stop myself going off on a tangent every 5 mins). Nothing relevant in there yet though, just a bit of background.


Oh yah. For what it's worth:

angelsmoke said:
Sounds like I'm describing addiction - but I don't think mephedrone is physically addictive
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http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=7173345&postcount=332

angelsmoke said:
I don't think meph is addictive.
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I'm really against the idea of the substance itself being blamed for the problems I had. I abused the shit out of it and paid the consequences... but even the others here who fiend the stuff crazily seem not to develop it into a habit.
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I found it strange that some of the replies to the thread "Im addicted to x substace" was well stop it/dont be :D erm if it was that fucking easy would I be saying Im addicted to "x substance" in the first place?
 
"Just stop doing it" does kinda get to the nub of the issue but, as Mr B suggested, not always necessarily so subjectively simple...

Psychological addictions are shit. Rejoice in bed, benzos and buckets o' grub for a while then see how you feel. Good luck <3
 
Surely ALL addiction is psycholgical in origin & therefore the physical effects could be regarded simply as by products. That's pretty much my feeling on the matter - which doesn't mean I'm right - well actually it probably does but I don't want to alarm the unenlightned ;)
 
Bearlove said:
I found it strange that some of the replies to the thread "Im addicted to x substace" was well stop it/dont be :D erm if it was that fucking easy would I be saying Im addicted to "x substance" in the first place?
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Indeed!!!
Actually, with mephedrone I can sort of understand it -- maybe because lots of people cain it in an addict-like fashion but constantly claim not to be addicted and that they're doing it for fun.

Silly people.

Ok, ME.

Maybe I said it so many times that people believed me :D

A serious question for those who do think it's purely good fun though.... next time you have a dose, wait until the euphoria and rush has set in and you're feeling great (I find myself pretty much unable to consider the ramifications of my use when sober)
Now, consider what you think is sensible use. What's a sensible amount to take in a session? How long should you leave between sessions? How long is ok to go without food? Without sleep? When will you reorder when this lot runs out?

Write em down or something. Then enjoy the rest of your mephiness. Then see how 'sensible' your use is. I'd be willing to bet that most people break most of their own rules with meph.
 
B9 said:
Surely ALL addiction is psycholgical in origin & therefore the physical effects could be regarded simply as by products. That's pretty much my feeling on the matter - which doesn't mean I'm right - well actually it probably does but I don't want to alarm the unenlightned ;)
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Heh - wikipedia says all addiction is physical :)
wikiiiii said:
Psychological dependency is an outdated and problematic concept related to addiction, as it presupposes a mind/body distinction that neuroscience has made obsolete. In other words, both "physical dependency" and "psychological dependency" are the same thing, since both must have a physical basis in the brain.
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But then that's "dependency" not "addiction". Good article here about the exact meanings of the terminology....
http://www.suchtmittel.de/info/sucht/002113.php

I just consider some symptoms psychological and some physical. I'd say "physically addictive" for something where there are direct and serious WDs. Life threatening is a bonus.

That's not technically correct though, obviously. For example, nicotine is physically addictive, and quitting smoking is a purely psychological challenge.

I guess using the correct words:
I'm addicted to meph, I abuse it, I am psychologically dependent on it, but not physically dependent.
 
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Wikipedia is clearly mistaken - it's apparently common for people to have a physical dependency on opaites ( for example) & to feel ill when they are withdrawn - however if the opiate has been administered for pain generally the patient is content to withdraw. Therefore the overriding factor must be psychological.Obviously there is a correlastion between the two forms BUT assumming you're suufferring from addiction to meph - what exactly are the unbearable physical symptoms you're suffering when you don't have any meph ?
 
B9 said:
Wikipedia is clearly mistaken - it's apparently common for people to have a physical dependency on opaites ( for example) & to feel ill when they are withdrawn - however if the opiate has been administered for pain generally the patient is content to withdraw. Therefore the overriding factor must be psychological.
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Yes, I agree, can't think of a "it's brain chemicals" argument for that one.

I guess my point was that thinking about meph all the time and craving it is more likely to be to because of chemical wrongness in my brain that it is to do with me having a genuine love of drug abuse.

B9 said:
Obviously there is a correlastion between the two forms BUT assumming you're suufferring from addiction to meph - what exactly are the unbearable physical symptoms you're suffering when you don't have any meph ?
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Did I say that?

My "direct and serious WDs" comment was general...not saying that I have them.

There is no unbearable pain, no. There are physical effects though -- the whole brain shiver/brain zap thing springs to mind. That goes on for about a week. It's horrible, like being jolted with a zap of electricity in your head.
I guess other physical effects I suffer can still be attributed to psychological causes (e.g. vomiting).

I don't actually care in the slightest about the physical symptoms -- is unpleasant but manageable. It's the anxiety, depression, exhaustion, desperation, feeling like I just dropped 100 IQ points.

I'm just gonna benzo my brains out. I've booked some time off work in a couple of weeks (that's the earliest i could get due to deadline pressure), so I guess I technically have a quit date, but it's a long way off, 6th November. Of course, someone will say "just quit now!". If I could, I would, believe me.
 
angelsmoke said:
Yes, I agree, can't think of a "it's brain chemicals" argument for that one.

I guess my point was that thinking about meph all the time and craving it is more likely to be to because of chemical wrongness in my brain that it is to do with me having a genuine love of drug abuse.



Did I say that?

My "direct and serious WDs" comment was general...not saying that I have them.

There is no unbearable pain, no. There are physical effects though -- the whole brain shiver/brain zap thing springs to mind. That goes on for about a week. It's horrible, like being jolted with a zap of electricity in your head.
I guess other physical effects I suffer can still be attributed to psychological causes (e.g. vomiting).

I don't actually care in the slightest about the physical symptoms -- is unpleasant but manageable. It's the anxiety, depression, exhaustion, desperation, feeling like I just dropped 100 IQ points.

I'm just gonna benzo my brains out. I've booked some time off work in a couple of weeks (that's the earliest i could get due to deadline pressure), so I guess I technically have a quit date, but it's a long way off, 6th November. Of course, someone will say "just quit now!". If I could, I would, believe me.
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No I can understand you can't just quit now if you have responsibilities - however the longer you leave it the longer & deeper this is -> It's the anxiety, depression, exhaustion, desperation, feeling like I just dropped 100 IQ points. -> not that I've ever done meph so maybe I'm just guessing ?
 
I'm casually addicted to the stuff, as soon as i've finished the bag i tell myself to get some more but when the comdown kicks in, i tell myself never again. then when i've given myself time to recover and forget, i order some more. an average binge will be about 4 days straight till i've finished the 5g with a couple hours sleep a night. i couldn't imagine what the comedown would be like after taking it every day for weeks on end, the brain zaps are the worst part for me, makes me worry i'm gonig to have a fit or something. i would love to know how to avoid them. i've started smoking the herb again so i'm hopnig the neuroprotective properties could assist with that.
 
fuck it, i'm going to be the cunt.

i don't know how much you bought but it sounds like a lot, so what the FUCK were either of you thinking ordering in bulk when you both consistently go on about your lack of self control? did you actually think for even one second that you'd be able to control it?

and here's the proper cunt part - do you maybe think that the two of you being "together" has been the worst possible thing for both your drug problems? you seem to do fuck all but encourage each other to get more & more addicted to drugs. obviously i know nothing other than the stuff you post on here but it seems to me like it's nothing but destructive.

that's the cunt shit over, sorry but i had to say it.

aaaaaanyway, hope you both get it sorted.
 
I kinda agree with the problems associated with co-dependency and addiction, PC. I used to swear blind that being with the then Mrs Shambles (also an addict) was beneficial cos we could support each other through the rough times of withdrawal. Truth is we just talked each other into using and neither of us got "clean" until we went our separate ways and dealt with our addictions alone. This seems to be the case in the majority of situations - nice idea but rarely works out as intended, sadly :\

Colt: Doing any drug daily to the point of addiction could be seen as "sad". Doesn't make any difference if you're addicted though so being judgemental really doesn't help.
 
ColtDan I have not seen one helpful or useful post from you ever, they're not doing it because they think it's cool. If you don't have anything constructive to say then don't post in this thread please.
 
The aftermath of a lot of drugs including Meph leaves me feeling so sketchy the last thing on my mind is wanting to take them again. But I guess it's different for everyone eh. I'm sorry to hear about you guys having some issues..hope you pull through.
 
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evad, ive been reporting for weeks about minor side effects encountered, my dosages, trip reports, and other stuff which might of been useful/good information to somebody.

oh wait, that wasn't in this thread

sorry. i will stop being a cunt
 
Karaboudjan said:
but do something to break the cycle.

This shit applies to other people too
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i think this is the best piece of advice so far.. as has already been said, somethings like travelling is a great example (but this depends on what you can afford).

however the only problem with mephedrone in particular is that you can get it ordered and delivered to wherever you are in the country, any day, and its in plentiful supply.

also, you guys are only 2 out of x-thousand people ordering this stuff, there are bound to be many others in a similar situation. its also in the media now and then, and ive read about mephedrone addiction support around england. the help is there, use it if you really want to get off this stuff.

i hope you both all the best with this i really do. ive had experience of being in a relationship revolving around drugs dependancy, and its a dark place to be i understand. but there comes a point when you have to realise co-dependancy is a major factor in your addiction.
 
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