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Mephedrone Addiction

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Looking for someone very knowledgable on mephadrone to give me some answers. Iv been doing a lot of research and I know a low of people doin mephadrone very regularly and high doses because their tolerance has increased dramatically?

I'm new to this forum so I'm not sure the stretchier of stating doses are so please read my wall of text.
I also took mephadrone, the first time I had 2 'keys' (obviously I understand key is not accurate measurement) and had a very storm urge to redose, I then did 5 quite large keys as my re dose. That night I think I did at least 2g.

I suffered from severe depression anxiety for weeks after... Even more unfelt scitsophrenia and bi polar behaviours. Severely!! My depression hit so bad that I nearly killed myself one night I also had trouble breathing and sleeping. And my heart stuttered, I also felt drained of energy and thought I turned diabetic as my blood sue level felt low all the time.

I then wanted to stop taking it but carried on with a night I had just 3 keys (this was weeks after my first binge and when I was first depressed)

The next 2 times after that was when I started to become very!! Noticable of
My mind set and way of thinking. Very paranoid, angry, depressed and my brain control is weak. I can't control thoughts and 80% of the time these thoughts were negative. Actual voices in my head telling me things that were very negative and were either false or didn't really matter, like instead of my conscience talking to my brain. The other way round. My thoughts overpowering my conscience to very negative and dark thoughts, effecting obviously my real life.
The dosage the third time was maybe at least 1g and 4th <1g.
The 3rd an 4th dosages were a few weeks apart but after tha 4th dose is when all the negative side effects really kicked in!!!

I was craving some so bad even tho I knew it was fucking me up, my 5th dose was just 2 keys.

This is when my head 'popped' and all the side effects were at their worst. This is when I nearly committed suicide.

I think I realise now my dosage was far too strong to start with especially but this is because of the new group of friends I did it with who have been taking it for months, these high dosage binges where at a club then again to a house after party continuing into early and sometimes mid hours of the next day!

A lot of this group of friends really seem addicted to it but none seem to be getting same sever side effects just generic 'depression' but this is what worries me as they are acting like they are addicted to MXE (Iv been doing research on that too and it's identicly) one friend especially who can't seem to function through the week and has been found to take it every day some weeks and thinks its perfectly find and not addicted. While becoming VERY selfish and wierd, this person changes as a person after reaching a certain dose and just talks and acts joberish) not like the effects of cocaine like most get at these type of binges. Like craziness!

I feel I have only just recovered from my severe side effects whereby dosages have elapsed over a period of over 6 months!

I also feel like the negative side effects have came at a point in my life were I was very stressed, wether mephadrone was the cause of this I don't know but I assume it was.
I also am worried for my friends is there any way of helping them. And us this drug remotely 'safe' if dosed correctly? Is it just simply too high dosage and this drug is fine or is this drugged considered very dangerous as I feel it is

Could anyone give any feedback or link me as I feel I have done sufficient searching but uncle to fully recurve answers.

I have a party on Saturday and this shit is do addictive I feel like doing it even tho Iv only just recovered from what I can only describe as living on a dark cloud for months.
 
more active than what?
tl;dr!

OK if I'm honest I am going to read it but for fuck sake!

OK mate hang on in there! I will try and help you in what little way I can <3

First I need a piss.
 
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I'll tell you what I think.

Even more unfelt scitsophrenia and bi polar behaviours. Severely!! My depression hit so bad that I nearly killed myself one night
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This makes me think you are really unwell and should not be doing mephedrone. Seriously. Mephedrone is a very powerful drug. If you have schizophrenia, depression or bi-polar disorder, it won't help you. It will just throw your brain chemistry into chaos. It makes me think you need care and love <3.

If you are getting treatment for one of these conditions, mephedrone will interact badly with the medicine they give you. Please stop taking mephedrone. But I'm sure you know this already ;)

You need to get away from drugs for a while, is there anywhere you can go that is safe?

You need to look after yourself as first priority. Stop taking the drugs, find somewhere you can be that is relaxed and where you can stand back from things for a while.
 
yeah you have to stop taking it

Meph makes me depressed, anxious, fucked up for awhile after. emotionally and physically fucked. was doing it every weekend for years, spent those years in a cycle of amazing highs and dark lows. stuck in a bad cycle. alcohol triggered meph cravings so badly, plus everybody i party with does it. havent touched it for ages now, i can be drunk spending time around people doing it and not want to do it anymore. serious will power and self control. and feel much stable, depression and anxiety have gone, life is much better
 
After meph binges i would feel kind of 'empty',a little low and full of self disgust due to my consumption. All nighters on work nights the following day were a bit of a shitter,unless i had a bit left over.

Sorry,yeah hope things work out and take in what Knock says,talks a lot of sense,sometimes ;)
 
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So the law change hasnt made much difference to the amount of people suffering from compulsive use of Meph then? No surprise there! If anything, I wouldnt be surprised if the dangers of Meph use have increased since the governement banned it.

I didn't get particularly deep into Meph prior to it's ban but I had problems using regularly & not eating properly & I suffered some nasty depression & anxiety. It all eases once you discontinue use, but the more you've been doing, the longer it takes to rebalance. I've had mini-binges that have taken a few weeks to recover from, & even if I'm not binging, the stuff seems to affect my mood balance for a few days, at least.

I recomend anyone who's using Meph regularly to try to ease up & quit altogether asap. Meph doesnt strike me as an easy drug to taper off, so I'd advise cold turkey. Try to eat & excersice well & don't con yourself into anoither sesh just coz you feel better, a small does could easilly set you right back. Give it at least a few months before trying it again & try to use as little as possible. People ten to do big lines of Meph! You don't need to do huge lines if you've had a break! Bump up little hits until you feel it!

Finally, I'd like to offer my support to anyone who needs it. Feel free to PM me with anything relating to drug use, especially psychological issues with such & I'll offer any advice I might have. Don't give up if my inbox is full & be patient if I take a little time to reply, sometimes I need to think it through. Meantime, my best wishes go to anyone battling Meph or suffering any kind of drug related psychological issues! You are not alone!
 
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I don't know it I wasn't clear (I wrote my post at half 3 in the morning. If it didn't do it then I probably wouldn't) or maybe you misunderstood. But I'm not scitso or bi polar, I just felt I was after meph on my comedowns / weeks after. Il try and explain as best as I could.

My first dosage obviously I did WAYY too much, especially for my first time and bought more from a club (deffonitely poor quality) so this put me in a bad state to start with. Back to the mental illness tho... At the times I feel like I was scitso or mentally unstable, I felt fine. I sort of enjoyed being in a depressed state and got enjoyment out of self pitty etc. It took me a lot of focus and mental power to break this even the slightest... An when I did I was aware my head was most definitely fucked!! This is the hardest part I went through, keeping my head straight. I'm still struggling but I can manage now.

I get these thoughts of depression and negativity, paranoia and anxiety which makes me worry in my head (which obviously I can not fix) so worrying makes it worse. But Iv learned I just need to Fucus! Just disregard any thoughts that pop up and not think about it, easier said than done I know but Iv got a good grasp now. But in some research I found out that constant thoughts stick, especially scitsophrenia. The more a brain thinks like this the longer it sticks and harder to break So even when not taking meph, or anythin. I was still fucked! My brain thinking pattern changed for sure!

To be honest past 2 days is the only time I feel I have recorded, over 6 months people!!! And I am an intelligent person, I'm not some lame dull minded person.

I still feel I haven't fully recovered as any negative thought I get I dismiss, which I see in the near future could be a problem as some of these thoughts might actually need addressing as they could be true! But for the time being I'm sticking to just ignoring them for now, at least till I'm confident I can control my mind 100% again.

But i don't think I need help now to be honest. I feel Iv dealt with it the best way and going to any doctor will make things worse as its hard to explain and he will most likely prescribe me something I won't need. Best thing is just purely mental discipline.

Although I have been goin through this, I actually feel better than I have done my entire life! Not sure if this is because of the dark void Iv been living in but I believe my newly found mental discipline is going to help me a lot in the future.

Again, not sure if meph is the worst drug ever... Or that my come downs from silly binges came at the wrong time during a very stressful stage of my life. Im still convinced the stress was made up due to the mephadrone tho.

Also my worry is my friends, most of them take a lot binging multiple times a week and I feel they are not aware what is to come to them as they feel great WHILE they are still taking it. (blocks certain parts of the brain Iv found due to some research. Identicle to megalomania symptoms and I think meph is aDissociative, as Iv tried talking to some of these people and they dismiss what I say and say its good... They actually think its some new wonder drug!!!

My main concern is a very close friend who doesn't like taking drugs as he is very 'safe' but has only took mephadrone because he feels he has good control when on it. I feel he should stop takin meph and some real drugs like MDMA and ket if he wants to take drugs as meph to me sounds like death powder! but I don't think I am going to convince this person to stop taking meph as he doesnt want to take any other drugs as he is doesn't feel safe. Which is fair enough but I feel he is ruining a wonderful experience doing the wrong drug!

Is there a 'safe' dosage to do I can recommend.

I don't know if I just have bad reactions to this drug or took too much or it is death powder. But I feel I was at a very bad state of addiction but have recovered.. Being the worst time of my life.

Again I apologise for the tl;dr
 
RichJames,

Sorry if you feel people haven't understood you. Your English is very good but sometimes it's not clear exactly what you're saying, without reading very carefully. When I replied to you before, I was quite tired ;)

It seems like you have been through a hard time with mephedrone, and you are worried about your friends. You obviously care about them! I am worried about you, though, because the symptoms you describe are quite severe and you seem to be creating the illusion that you are OK now, that you've recovered, but I wonder if that's really true. I don't think you can help your friends until you help yourself.

Anyway, you seem to be asking if there is a safe dosage for mephedrone, to avoid the symptoms you got yourself. No-one really knows how safe it is because it's only been used for a few years, but I believe most people who have used mephedrone moderately are OK so far, and many people who use it to excess are OK too. But there are many people who have had problems with it, just like you have. And there may be long-term risks which we won't know about for years.

When I say "you" below, I don't really mean you, I mean anyone, your friends, me, whoever.

Taken in moderation, it's probably not death powder. If you use it to excess, you increase the risk of harming your health. But this is true for pretty much any drug.

No-one can tell you a safe dose, but there are practices which allow you and your friends to reduce the risks of using any drug.

Start off with small doses - say 50mg. Work your way up to doses which are comfortable for you. Try and decide how much you'll do before you start a session, and stick to that.

Be aware of your use pattern. If your use is interfering with other aspects of your life, slow down. Stop using for a while and take a look at your priorities.

Take breaks between sessions - at least a few days, preferably weeks. Eat healthily and drink water.

I don't know if this is any use to you, I hope it is! Basically, you and your friends need to try and make sure you are finding a balance between drug use and the rest of your lives, and when you use drugs, you need to be aware of the risks and take steps to minimise them.
 
I'd say leave a lot more than a few days between 'sessions', if a session is an all-nighter. It's apparently cardio-toxic, so it should be treated like strong cocaine - a now and then drug. Are the people taking mephedrone really enjoying it more than MDMA, and amphetamines? I, personally, can't see how. That is just me, but the proper illegals just seem so much better, and safer. People having half a G of meph, and complaining of heart/chest pain - the amount of times I've had over a G of MDMA, with speed, and never had any weird heart problems (other than palpitations, which are quite common). I just don't see a need for the shit, now MDMA is back. Do you take MDMA, RichJames?
 
knockando said:
It always felt like that for me but I didn't realise there was any firm evidence. Has someone told Mailmonkey?
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lALAL-LALALALA-LAAAA I CAN'T HEAR YOU! :)

I *doubt* its much more, probably less cardio-toxic than coke, or speed, both of which i used to take daily.

Meph use, twice a week, yeah, I'm sure its not great for my heart, but no stim is....my heart is very fit for my age, varies from 48-60bpm resting, I know a lot of far unhealthier fuckers need warning off it.

Someone had best tell me to stop drinking coffeee, smoking fags, and drinking every evening too :(
 
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RichJames,

Sorry if you feel people haven't understood you. Your English is very good but sometimes it's not clear exactly what you're saying, without reading very carefully. When I replied to you before, I was quite tired ;)

It seems like you have been through a hard time with mephedrone, and you are worried about your friends. You obviously care about them! I am worried about you, though, because the symptoms you describe are quite severe and you seem to be creating the illusion that you are OK now, that you've recovered, but I wonder if that's really true. I don't think you can help your friends until you help yourself.

Anyway, you seem to be asking if there is a safe dosage for mephedrone, to avoid the symptoms you got yourself. No-one really knows how safe it is because it's only been used for a few years, but I believe most people who have used mephedrone moderately are OK so far, and many people who use it to excess are OK too. But there are many people who have had problems with it, just like you have. And there may be long-term risks which we won't know about for years.

When I say "you" below, I don't really mean you, I mean anyone, your friends, me, whoever.

Taken in moderation, it's probably not death powder. If you use it to excess, you increase the risk of harming your health. But this is true for pretty much any drug.

No-one can tell you a safe dose, but there are practices which allow you and your friends to reduce the risks of using any drug.

Start off with small doses - say 50mg. Work your way up to doses which are comfortable for you. Try and decide how much you'll do before you start a session, and stick to that.

Be aware of your use pattern. If your use is interfering with other aspects of your life, slow down. Stop using for a while and take a look at your priorities.

Take breaks between sessions - at least a few days, preferably weeks. Eat healthily and drink water.

I don't know if this is any use to you, I hope it is! Basically, you and your friends need to try and make sure you are finding a balance between drug use and the rest of your lives, and when you use drugs, you need to be aware of the risks and take steps to minimise them.
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Yes sorry i was posting on my iPhone as iv been quite busy (now my life is back) so everything was posted without being re-read. Anyway, im going to go in quite a lot of detail:

I feel I definitely have recovered from my depression, Mentally though im not 100% as i still get some anxiousness and negative thoughts pop in my head but i find it easy to get rid of these now. I just dismiss them, I feel i have strong mental control over my thoughts now, like i said my conscience is back telling me what is right and wrong again! But i have recorved as i am working again ( i was on edge of getting sacked from my work due to my inefficiency in work, when i was having my day-dreams and not focusing on anything but my thoughts. obviously even work noticed this) but i have been getting praised in work due to my hard work and i am very motivated to start a business that i have recently thought of. Also i used to be very passionate about my fitness and working out, where my motivation drastically got reduced to work out and it felt like a chore instead of a pleasure like it used to be for me, but its back! I love working out again and i actually have been getting up early (5:30-7:00) to work on my fitness/work out again... i was lieing in bed untill at least 12:00-16:00 sometimes when i was on my 6-month comedown. So yea, i actually feel better than ever...seriously!

Yeah well i did research into the compound density etc and the reason its so bad i think is because you get a tolerance to the drug so easy (after each dose) so you are more likely to up the dose or take more frequently, but because of the density the 'euphoria' is only absorbed into the blood vessels on a small amount which means the cardio-toxic qualities are in excessive amount. This most certainly was true when i was taking it. During the end of binges and nights i didnt get any euphoria just the feeling like cocaine, then anxiousness, skipped heart beats and severe twitching at one point. (A LOT worse than cocaine by the way) Also i had ALOT of sleeping problems, days and weeks after. Night terrors, sleep paralysis and paranoia, especially on these nights of binges.
I actually feel like iv been slightly depressed all my life, and now, nothing. I just dont care about things that used to stress me out. I used to be very self-conscience and now i just dont let it bother me, maybe being at the lowest mental strength has given me an opportunity to maximise it? Which iv took!

Thats the thing also about the 'balance' this close friend and a few others do only take it one night/binge then break for a few weeks, while others take a lot through the week. But both groups of people do carry on with their lives, that is one factor that contributed to my depression, i was stressed at the time and lazy. Not doing much with my life.

Now though, another group is the group of people that take it much more than the one above, and deny anyone saying it is bad and are convinced it is actually good for them... they are not experiencing any depression in my opinion because they are still taking excess amounts. One of these has mental illness and addiction in his family :/

I have recommended lowering the dosage to my close friend as he hasnt took it for a while, i said to fight the urge to re dose until he has came down from the euphoria because of the tolorence, this will make his night better i think too!

As of me though, im NEVER taking it again.

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I'd say leave a lot more than a few days between 'sessions', if a session is an all-nighter. It's apparently cardio-toxic, so it should be treated like strong cocaine - a now and then drug. Are the people taking mephedrone really enjoying it more than MDMA, and amphetamines? I, personally, can't see how. That is just me, but the proper illegals just seem so much better, and safer. People having half a G of meph, and complaining of heart/chest pain - the amount of times I've had over a G of MDMA, with speed, and never had any weird heart problems (other than palpitations, which are quite common). I just don't see a need for the shit, now MDMA is back. Do you take MDMA, RichJames?
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Yeah i noticed when my friend was treating it like cocaine he was quite fine...but i still think the effects are much worse than cocaine and the long-term side effects to be very bad from my experience.

Yeah exactly my point to my friend not taking any 'proper illegals', they are so much better and less side effects!

Yes I do take MDMA, i get a small normal comedown off this nothing as bad as meph. I prefer MDMA too, and ket. Which actually brings me to a point i think will be quite useful. This weekend i have 2 nights i am going to be taking drugs, saturday im going to do ket. Sunday MDMA. I shall keep you informed of my mental health and addiction afterwards, im convinced i will be fine but it could also prove that while trying to quit / have quit meph addiction that taking MDMA or ket is fine! I guess im the Guinea pig :P (im also taking piracetam after my ket night, which from my research helps with recovery from ket, and i will re dose before my MDMA night which make it better and more memoriable! Sounds to me a like a perfect weekend :D i might also continue to take for another 2 days to help with any comedown as my research also suggests it helps with)

Im actually thinking of writing a report on my experience with meph and i can write one also for this weekend of after recovering from a meph addiction so people know if its recommended or not.

Also due to more research i think my mental illness from meph was caused by an inbalence in dopamine. Which what meph does, increases dopamine while mdma doesnt. Which is linked to schizophrenia. Just like i have been sayiung....
 
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Mailmonkey said:
lALAL-LALALALA-LAAAA I CAN'T HEAR YOU! :)

I *doubt* its much more, probably less cardio-toxic than coke, or speed, both of which i used to take daily.

Meph use, twice a week, yeah, I'm sure its not great for my heart, but no stim is....my heart is very fit for my age, varies from 48-60bpm resting, I know a lot of far unhealthier fuckers need warning off it.

Someone had best tell me to stop drinking coffeee, smoking fags, and drinking every evening too :(
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Due to my experience, i think it is a lot more cardio-toxic than coke. Iv done a lot of heavy coke binges and nothing compares to a heavy meph binge.
 
RichJames said:
Due to my experience, i think it is a lot more cardio-toxic than coke. Iv done a lot of heavy coke binges and nothing compares to a heavy meph binge.
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You did take quite big doses, but you did it 5 times? (sorry, I may have misunderstood your post)

I promise I have taken more meph than you, and I have no noticeable negative effects.

Coke gives me far worse vasoconstriction than meph, where I only notice vasoconstriction after a heavy night, or a couple of consecutive night's meph use. Coke gives me noticeable vasoconstriction from the first line, which is one of the reasons I prefer meph these days.

I don't *know* anything about the cardiotoxicity of either coke or meph, but subjectively, to me, coke feels worse on the heart, To you, meph feels worse.

Also your psychological symptoms might not be caused by your (fairly moderate) meph use.
 
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Also your psychological symptoms might not be caused by your (fairly moderate) meph use.
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This is probably true. Most mental illnesses aren't caused by infrequent drug use, but are in fact just triggered. The problems you faced were possibly going to happen, whether you did mephedrone or not. If you were taking mephedrone almost constantly, like you say that particular group do so, then it would be much more likely to be a straight cause of the problem.

But aside from pedantry- Glad to hear you're doing alright! Always good to hear someone kicking their problems in the face! :)

You said about doing Ketamine and MDMA some weekend (this weekend)? You said about doing the Ket before the MDMA, but I'd recommend looking into Ket's supposed trick of alleviating/weakening comedown symptoms, from MDMA. Personally, I cannot vouch for this, as I have not tried it myself, and I can't even say that it's something I haven't misread and made up, aha. But it'd probably be no harm to take a look! (I may do so myself tomorrow afternoon, if I remember).
 
Treacle said:
Are the people taking mephedrone really enjoying it more than MDMA, and amphetamines? I, personally, can't see how. That is just me, but the proper illegals just seem so much better, and safer.
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Have you actually ever had high quality Mephedrone before?

And to refer to it as not being a 'proper illegal' is a weird view...
 
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