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Mephedrone Addiction

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kougi said:
Don't worry though, I doubt there'll be any shortages for a long time after it's banned. The online retailers will practically be trying to get rid of it before the legislation is put into place - leaving enough supply in the UK to last for a long time. (Especially when it starts getting cut)
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I'm not in the UK though, and importation of Meph is already banned here. I shall have to create a storage dump in the UK! :)
 
The Kid said:
They'll be able to make it controlled as quick as that???
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theoretically they could control it in a few weeks as the modification orders to the 1971 MODA are just statutory instruments and don't have to be debated. the SI is merely tabled, literally put on a table in the lobby for a week if MP's want to debate it they can, but if they don't after a week or so it becomes law.

I suspect without King on the ACMD they are going to be slow, King wrote the spice analog stuff, they will need something similar for the beta ketones, but there is currently no one on the ACMD at the moment with any aptitude for this kind of thing.

simply controlling mephedrone will just cause a switch to flephedrone or similar cathinones. they need a paragraph something like " anything structurally derived from a controlled phenethylamine or alpha alkylphenethylamine by substitution at the benzylic position with oxygen, not including the following....." that is game over for the cathinones.
 
vecktor said:
simply controlling mephedrone will just cause a switch to flephedrone or similar cathinones. they need a paragraph something like " anything structurally derived from a controlled phenethylamine or alpha alkylphenethylamine by substitution at the benzylic position with oxygen, not including the following....." that is game over for the cathinones.
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I personally think it's going to take until the second half of next year - but it's going to be a blanket ban-hammer. Possibly even wider than just cathinones as well.
 
vecktor said:
theoretically they could control it in a few weeks as the modification orders to the 1971 MODA are just statutory instruments and don't have to be debated. the SI is merely tabled, literally put on a table in the lobby for a week if MP's want to debate it they can, but if they don't after a week or so it becomes law.

I suspect without King on the ACMD they are going to be slow, King wrote the spice analog stuff, they will need something similar for the beta ketones, but there is currently no one on the ACMD at the moment with any aptitude for this kind of thing.

simply controlling mephedrone will just cause a switch to flephedrone or similar cathinones. they need a paragraph something like " anything structurally derived from a controlled phenethylamine or alpha alkylphenethylamine by substitution at the benzylic position with oxygen, not including the following....." that is game over for the cathinones.
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If you go to http://www.gov.gg/ccm/home-departme...tain-emerging-drugs-of-concern-legal-highs.en you can see how they implemented the importation ban in Guernsey.
 
Scire said:
Is it right that Prof Nutt tried to get this banned a year and a half ago? Can't remember where I read it or if I read something else similar.
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Yes, he already made the suggestion to ban it last year or early this year when everybody was still talking about spice.

An offical statement from the governement was that they will first wait for the neurotoxic report done by I don't know who that is expected to be finished early next year.
However that was before the death of The 14 years old girl.
 
InternetMuse said:
I personally think it's going to take until the second half of next year - but it's going to be a blanket ban-hammer. Possibly even wider than just cathinones as well.
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Aye. This is what I fear as well. Probably something similar to the analogue act they have in the States.
 
Josama said:
However that was before the death of The 14 years old girl.
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I reckon that death will be due to something like an undiagnosed heart problem. I'm sure if it had been shown to be purely meph related we'd have seen something on the news akin to when Leah Betts died.
 
B9 said:
^ You want to read some of the latest projections over in ADD - kid it's looking like a definite BAD THING.


http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=474534 If you read carefully tho there might be some light at the end of the tunnel in the form of different compounds.
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Thanks for posting the link. I don't understand a lot of the technical stuff, but i get the main gist of it.

Do you know if there has there been similar analysis of methylone and 3-FMC?
 
^ Nope - ask in the thread for any details about those - 3-FMC has been mentioned here & there but I recall the consensus being a shrug of the shoulders. However any methcathinone produces negative metabolites insofar as i understand
 
B9 said:
However any methcathinone produces negative metabolites insofar as i understand
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Hmmm, that was what I was thinking but was too afraid to ask.....:\

Still, now that things are banned over here it's less of an issue for me.

I really don't understand the science in some of the posts, but it seems to me to be purely dealing with a short term OD effect. So as long as you don't take on this risk, then everything should be fine?
 
There could also possibly be a cumulative negative effect on the heart valves as well from some things I have read
 
There's two dangers one from short term overdose the other from chronic longer term use.
One thing I would say is that there are a significant number of chemically savvy people who won't touch this stuff that have touched plenty other potent & novel drugs.
 
B9 said:
One thing I would say is that there are a significant number of chemically savvy people who won't touch this stuff that have touched plenty other potent & novel drugs.
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It's fucken crazy, and perhaps stupid, that even knowing the above that people (including myself 8)) still indulge. Then again, we spend plenty of our lifetime doing things we're told not to, so maybe it's just natural......
 
I've read through both of the ADD threads (so glad they made a second one, that first one was getting way off track), and I'm still not that concerned.

I'm not a chemist, but I am a post-grad student so could follow most of what was being said.

The main points of the entire discussion is this:

1) Mephedrone has some nasty metabolites that have half-lives of at least 4 or 5 hours. Thus the toxic effects will be cumulative as metabolites build up in your system. Different people can work through these at different rates, and have different responses to them.

1a) Mephedrone is most likely not going to do you long-term, or even short-term, harm (unless you have an adverse reaction to it personally) if taken in very sensible doses (sub-500mg) and do not mix it with other active substances.

1b) Sensible doses means not only watching how much you take (500mg or less in total) but also the time period that you take it over (3 - 5 hours between doses, don't stay up for longer than 24 hours if possible). At the very most taken once per month.

2) The main issue with Mephedrone is not its inherent toxicity at effective doses, but it's propensity to encourage you to fiend and go on a multi-day binge. 200mg is a very effective dose for 2 - 3 hours of fun, and is very unlikely to cause any complications at all. The difficulty is in keeping it to that low dosage.

Mephedrone is not the most toxic substance ever consumed, nor is it the most lifestyle damaging substance. However, it is an unknown and because of that should not at all be taken in the stupidly abusive amounts that people are consuming it. Stupidly high doses will undoubtedly lead to toxicity because of the metabolites involved - remember, people are regularly taking 5 - 15 times the reasonable amount. They are also doing it multiple times a week, rather than once a month.

The toxicity of Mephedrone has more to do with the way in which it is being abused (itself pointing to highly addictive qualities, whether psychological or physical: probably both) then with its inherent toxicity at effective doses.

All of this is pure conjecture based on anecdotal evidence combined with some rudimentary studies and some pretty solid chemistry knowledge from those looking into it here on BL. Until proper studies are conducted we can not know anything for sure.

Sound reasonable?
 
Sounds OK. Cathinones make me feel awful, shortly after the high. Terrible, toxic-feeling compounds, from a personal point of view.
 
Yes it does sound reasonable. But what about those who try meph only once at a reasonable amount and still experience complications. I read one story one time where someone, on their first try, passed out and was unconscious for several minutes after a very small line. Are these people just allergic to the compound?
 
Just catching up with the threads and wanted to say well done to the pair of you - I'm really pleased that you managed to get off this stuff completely and have started to get your life back.

Thanks for sharing your experience.
 
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