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[Mega] Tryptophan and Dark Chocolate , 'e-diet'

never underestimate the power of the placebo effect.

I'm not saying there isn't anything to it for you, but you have to accept that placebo effect is a possibility until a controlled double-blind study is conducted...

anecdotal reports only carry so much weight, especially when there are just as many that do not confirm your thesis...

You obviously haven't tried this.


Everything on this e-diet just seems like a normal everyday balanced diet!

I have to wonder, what the hell are you people normally eating???? lol

Fast food, processed food, etc. People eat like shit, its sad.
 
You obviously haven't tried this

I did try it, go back a few pages for my report. I eat the "e-diet" normally, and added the chocolate at much higher levels than were even recommended and kept chocolate as the only variable from other rolls (set, setting, dose, product, all controlled for trying to be as scientific as possible). And this was the second time I tried a chocolate pre-load.

It did not have any effect on our rolls, but I can't say it doesn't work for others and you have to always account for placebo effect--that's just good technique. Would love to see a double-blind study on it since there are so many supporters. I'm not advocating for or against it; if it works for you, great! I was accused in an earlier post that my cynical attitude causes a negative placebo effect, but on the contrary if anything my attitude was the opposite--I really did want it to work, I mean why wouldn't I want to find something that improves our rolls???

Plus, you have to also be aware that when some users are extolling the virtues of chocolate on their roll, they may also have been trying the new diet at the same time, thus not really knowing which of those variables is responsible. You would have to conduct a multivariate experiment with controls for placebo effect in that case...

I would suggest to anyone considering the chocolate pre-load, to first establish healthy diet, three months minimum time between rolls, and regular exercise and then roll to establish a base-line. Then you can experiment with single variables such as chocolate or other supplements.
 
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My personal hunch on this is that its not the dark chocolate but a few factors that vary for people.

I think if you have a high tryptophan diet, then eat starches/carbs with it (as Severely Etarded once told me AND what i read in a book which i might take a pic of and upload) and get sunlight/ enough sunlight exposure AND exercise you are more likely to produce more serotonin than those that dont.
Simple really

Also drug use comes into play. Maybe everyday moderate to heavy cannabis use or drinking alcohol lessens serotonin levels. We dont really know.

This diet is sort of, give it a try thing.
 
And Sam, I really do respect you for getting people to improve their diet first and foremost; you really can't go wrong with that.

Also, I have a scientific study that I found very interesting regarding antioxidants in food. It is the first study to measure and distinguish lipophilic (fat-dissolving) and hydrophilic (water dissolving) antioxidants (ideally you should have both in your diet).

Here is a link to the pdf. If you have time take a look at Table 3 and the mean values for lipo- and hydro-. Also look at figure 1.

http://naldc.nal.usda.gov/download/20983/PDF

We always here about blueberries being high in antioxidants, but that is only part of the story! Check out rice bran! avocados! (for lipophilic), pecans! cashews!
 
yes cocoa is some magic stuff you can get raw cocoa nibs from the health food store i used to eat that stuff alot i think its good for the serotonin system havent done e for a year but i will include tbis in my diet for the next time i roll
 
Dark Chocolate stimulate the CNS so it would be silly to assume it doesn't help the brain in the process of releasing serotonin more efficiently.
 
Dark Chocolate stimulate the CNS so it would be silly to assume it doesn't help the brain in the process of releasing serotonin more efficiently.

so anything that stimulates the CNS helps the brain in the process of releasing serotonin more efficiently? interesting. so it's the caffeine in the chocolate perhaps? then why does it have to be chocolate?

There are other chemicals that chocolate contains are often listed as being as being psychoactive. Can these be taken individually with the same effect as eating chocolate? why or why not?

Most of the purported chemicals in chocolate do not survive metabolism when eaten. Others do not cross the blood-brain barrier. And still others do not exist in amounts that could have any effect in the amount of chocolate eaten.

Could it be that people that enjoy chocolate simply get in a better mind-set when eating it a few days before the roll?

Is there is a specific chemical compound that is increasing the roll which one(s) are they and what is the research on these when ingested orally in the amounts found in chocolate (and I'm assuming most of you are not eating chocolate with an MOA to prevent the metabolism of the compounds?)
 
Well, my experience with this is the following:

High carb diet with some tryptophan included (lots of cheese, TONS of bread, every day, always) is something I've been practising since long before MDMA/6-APB etc, and I've never had a harsh comedown/hangover, always made a quick recovery, even last month when I rolled several times in one month and broke the one month rule I like to follow. Although I don't have years of experience to make it valid evidence, I've seemed to notice that increasing the carbohydrates helps much more than increasing the tryptophan content in terms of speeding up recovery/boosting rolls.

As for dark chocolate, the only time I ever remembered was the day of my roll, around 4-5 hours before my roll, I ate like 10-15g just since I didn't want to overdo it on the day of the roll. That was one of my strongest rolls with 110mg being a little too strong for my liking. Whether or not that was the chocolate's doing or simply how potent the stuff we had is another matter, but figured I'd add my input. :)
 
Hmm.. going to add this to my e-diet, one week to go! Perfect because I've got a bar of dark chocolate in the fridge. Have already been eating tons of pumpkin seeds... and I eat pretty much nothing but cheese/tuna/chicken/turkey/beans etc as it is, and I get plenty of sunlight. :)
 
Not read the whole thread just yet, but very interesting. Powdered egg white and spirulina - *very* high in tryptophan!
 
Hmm.. going to add this to my e-diet, one week to go! Perfect because I've got a bar of dark chocolate in the fridge. Have already been eating tons of pumpkin seeds... and I eat pretty much nothing but cheese/tuna/chicken/turkey/beans etc as it is, and I get plenty of sunlight. :)

Patra, i hope you are aware that pumpkin seeds are very high in tryptophan, also remember to eat carbohydrates / starches with these foods if not the conversion might not be fully taking place.

Velmwend, the spirulina that you mention also contains considerable amounts of phenylalanine, i would advise against consumption of this on the same day maybe the day before too of taking mdma (For the same reason i have been advising against eating dark chocolate the day and day before your experience.

I think it may be more neurotoxic,
 
Patra, i hope you are aware that pumpkin seeds are very high in tryptophan, also remember to eat carbohydrates / starches with these foods if not the conversion might not be fully taking place.

Velmwend, the spirulina that you mention also contains considerable amounts of phenylalanine, i would advise against consumption of this on the same day maybe the day before too of taking mdma (For the same reason i have been advising against eating dark chocolate the day and day before your experience.

I think it may be more neurotoxic,

Interesting stuff. http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-000079000000000000000.html"]here's[/URL] a 'highest in' data for typtophan: You'll notice sea lion is top of the list. mmm, that sea lion =D
 
Patra, i hope you are aware that pumpkin seeds are very high in tryptophan, also remember to eat carbohydrates / starches with these foods if not the conversion might not be fully taking place.

Yep... that's why I've been eating them! Thanks for the reminder about starches & carbs. I eat tons on a regular basis (ie., with all meals) do you think that will be ok or should i make an effort to eat them at the same exact time?
 
Try and eat them around the same time , PM severely etarded i think he is more knowledgeable on the whole Carbs + Tryptophan thing.
 
Yeah I'd say as long as the majority of your diet is carbohydrates. I find I tend to crave foods that I am deficient in nutrition in when I analyze what I have been eating. Like I crave beef when I haven't had much B12, iron, and other proteins and fats. I crave beans when I haven't had as much carbs and magnesium, potassium, etc.

I love carbohydrates with every meal, and I am a firm believer the optimal diet consists of 60/25/15 carbohydrates/fats(4:1 omega 6:3-try to get as much of these like in grassfed beef, omega 3 eggs, fish, bacon, etc), 15% protein is optimal as more just strains your kidneys and less is insufficient)

You want to make sure you meet your minimum essentials, for rolling in larger amounts phenylalanine and a little extra tryptophan and methionine is good, methionine particularly if you like to exercise a lot. methionine mixes with cysteine and lysine to make SAMe and carnitine. carnitine is helps burn fats and also turns into Acetylated Carnitine during physical exercise. Acetyl-L-Carnitine is a powerful brain antioxidant sold in stores (expensive) as a supplement, but I believe their are better/natural ways to get it into your brain. Methionine is often overlooked, and is actually one of the nine essential amino acids that your body cannot produce on its own and uses it to make many other amino acids.

carbohydrates role in the equation is efficacy of the proteins consumed. protein is dandy, but just gets pissed out if you don't have carbs and B vitamins to help your body synth the right proteins etc.

too much protein is bad too. It really doesn't take much "dieting" per say as thinking about what you've had to eat recently and what you nutrients you may be lacking. When I do this, I can almost immediately find a food high in the needed nutrients that just clicks in my brain and I think "mmm, that sounds like it would hit the spot". As long as the food isn't ice cream or beer, it's probably good to crave it. I suspect this is why pregnant women have strange cravings. Their body is actually craving a micronutrient their brain associates the food with, subconsciously.
 
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