[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 3

[Back4More420]

@thenightwatch, MN-18 actually is VERY susceptible to flame - so that makes a lot of sense. I actually can't even get effects from it unless I vaporize it off of aluminum foil - but when the effects come, they're verrry nice! I believe the naphthylamine moiety breaks off fairly easily during pyrolysis (burning), which is why some people don't get the effects they want from it.

I'll keep in mind MN-18 works with joints, too. Thanks for the tip.

@RaoulDuke45, @Back4More420: Raoul, your post contains conflicting information. JTE-907 is not the same thing as MN-001; MN-001 is another name for UR-144. Are you quite sure that your blend actually contains JTE-907?

Regardless, an antagonist isn't necessarily the same thing as an inverse agonist, so giving an inverse agonist to treat an OD is probably not a good idea, and also probably not what these blend makers had in mind.

JTE-907 is definitely legal all around the world, because it has a unique structure and lacks CB1 affinity, and there have been reports of it causing some cannabinoid-type effects. I suspect that if your blend really has JTE-907 in it, and not UR-144, the makers just added it in because it gets you a buzz, they may not have even realized that AB-001 and JTE-907 may be partially contradicting each other.

so JTE-907 is legal in the US?

 

[N0 W4RN1NG]

^ Yes.

 

[David the Chansey]

JTE-907 is definitely legal all around the world

so JTE-907 is legal in the US?

Got another g of MAM-2201. I was supposed to have my break, but this is being banned soon so I had to get some. I can't believe someone on here smoked 3 grams of cannabinoid in a day... how?! Even when I smoke all day, every day, with massive tolerance, a gram would last me at least a week.

 

[Back4More420]

thanks for that info. it got my hopes up but quickly smashed by reviews.

 

[Back4More420]

Got another g of MAM-2201. I was supposed to have my break, but this is being banned soon so I had to get some. I can't believe someone on here smoked 3 grams of cannabinoid in a day... how?! Even when I smoke all day, every day, with massive tolerance, a gram would last me at least a week.

is this still legal ? thank you for showing me any legal rc's

 

[b4shed]

Took ~1-3mg of MAM-2201 5 hours ago, a bit more than I would smoke, oral solved in 20ml oil. Coming up was faster than expected. In about an hour I was stoned but it kept coming up. Peak was pretty intense and lasted for 2-3 hours. Shouldn't have gone out. Still feeling some after effects but the coming down is really fast.
I wonder how far one could push this experience.
Paranoia was present on the peak, but controlable.

 

[Back4More420]

Took ~1-3mg of MAM-2201 5 hours ago, a bit more than I would smoke, oral solved in 20ml oil. Coming up was faster than expected. In about an hour I was stoned but it kept coming up. Peak was pretty intense and lasted for 2-3 hours. Shouldn't have gone out. Still feeling some after effects but the coming down is really fast.
I wonder how far one could push this experience.
Paranoia was present on the peak, but controlable.

Was there a body buzz and head buzz which was more prevalent. thanks

 

[N0 W4RN1NG]

EAM-2201 should be covered by the federal synthetic cannabinoid ban. the domestic vendors selling it are playing with fire.

from S. 3187 (112th): Food and Drug Administration Safety and Innovation Act
112th Congress, 2011–2013. Text as of Jun 27, 2012 (Passed Congress/Enrolled Bill). ::



the parallel section from the Michigan bill lists examples of the chemicals that are included in this section



since EAM-2201 is just fluoro-JWH-122 or ethyl-AM-2201 (depending on which was you look at it), EAM-2201 is definitely included under this section.

Well, firstly, EAM-2201 would be considered fluoro-JWH-210 (5F-JWH210), not fluoro-JWH-122 (that would be MAM-2201, not EAM-2201).

Dumb semantics, I know. However, in spite of the information you presented, I believe EAM-2201 would only be illegal in Michigan.

In order for a cannabinoid to be banned at a federal level, it has to conform to certain structural categories (which EAM-2201 unfortunately does) AND the cannabinoid also needs to have been shown to be an agonist at the CB1 receptor via binding studies and functional assays.

The beautiful thing is, even though EAM-2201 is undoubtedly a CB1 agonist (and a CB2 agonist as well) there are no papers proving that it has CB1 activity right now, which means on a federal level at least, EAM-2201 is legal to possess.

States with blanket bans are probably not going to hesitate to arrest you for it, but in the rest of the USA, EAM-2201 is a legal research chemical when sold not for human consumption, until a study comes out publishing it binding affinity data.

 

[Back4More420]

Well, firstly, EAM-2201 would be considered fluoro-JWH-210 (5F-JWH210), not fluoro-JWH-122 (that would be MAM-2201, not EAM-2201).

Dumb semantics, I know. However, in spite of the information you presented, I believe EAM-2201 would only be illegal in Michigan.

In order for a cannabinoid to be banned at a federal level, it has to conform to certain structural categories (which EAM-2201 unfortunately does) AND the cannabinoid also needs to have been shown to be an agonist at the CB1 receptor via binding studies and functional assays.

The beautiful thing is, even though EAM-2201 is undoubtedly a CB1 agonist (and a CB2 agonist as well) there are no papers proving that it has CB1 activity right now, which means on a federal level at least, EAM-2201 is legal to possess.

States with blanket bans are probably not going to hesitate to arrest you for it, but in the rest of the USA, EAM-2201 is a legal research chemical when sold not for human consumption, until a study comes out publishing it binding affinity data.

Very informative . I now must read up no fl. to see the wording involved. I dont mind being arested I
just want to know I can win. if it were to happen. I would like to check out EAM-2201 from what im gathering. Thank you again for the time you have put into this.

 

[Back4More420]

This applies to Florida only
List of Controlled Substances
Disclaimer

Section 812 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. §801 et seq.) (CSA) lists substances which were controlled in 1970 when the law was enacted. Since then, approximately 160 substances have been added, removed, or transferred from one schedule to another. The current official list of controlled substances can be found in section 1308 of the most recent issue of Title 21 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 1300 to end (21 CFR §1308) and the final rules which were published in the Federal Register subsequent to the issuance of the CFR.

This list describes the basic or parent chemical and do not describe the salts, isomers and salts of isomers, esters, ethers and derivatives which may be controlled substances. These lists are intended as general references and are not comprehensive listings of all controlled substances.

THIS IS THE BLANKET


Please note that a substance need not be listed as a controlled substance to be treated as a Schedule I substance for criminal prosecution. A controlled substance analogue is a substance which is intended for human consumption and is structurally or pharmacologically substantially similar to or is represented as being similar to a Schedule I or Schedule II substance and is not an approved medication in the United States. (See 21 U.S.C. §802(32)(A) for the definition of a controlled substance analogue and 21 U.S.C. §813 for the schedule.)

 

[pharmakos]

Well, firstly, EAM-2201 would be considered fluoro-JWH-210 (5F-JWH210), not fluoro-JWH-122 (that would be MAM-2201, not EAM-2201).

Dumb semantics, I know. However, in spite of the information you presented, I believe EAM-2201 would only be illegal in Michigan.

In order for a cannabinoid to be banned at a federal level, it has to conform to certain structural categories (which EAM-2201 unfortunately does) AND the cannabinoid also needs to have been shown to be an agonist at the CB1 receptor via binding studies and functional assays.

The beautiful thing is, even though EAM-2201 is undoubtedly a CB1 agonist (and a CB2 agonist as well) there are no papers proving that it has CB1 activity right now, which means on a federal level at least, EAM-2201 is legal to possess.

States with blanket bans are probably not going to hesitate to arrest you for it, but in the rest of the USA, EAM-2201 is a legal research chemical when sold not for human consumption, until a study comes out publishing it binding affinity data.

the federal ban is a blanket ban as well, read closer.

i really think this is just wishful thinking on your part.

"until a study comes out publishing it binding affinity data." << this is not the sort of technicality that will win you a case. all it would take is for one expert witness to take the stand and testify that EAM-2201 is undoubtedly a CB1 agonist. the powers that be have enough money to pay someone to do this.

is everyone that orders EAM-2201 in the USA going to get arrested? obviously not. if you ever get caught with it, would you be able to get a verdict of "not guilty"? probably not.

 

[Back4More420]

the federal ban is a blanket ban as well,

i really think this is just wishful thinking on your part.

"until a study comes out publishing it binding affinity data." << this is not the sort of technicality that will win you a case. all it would take is for one expert witness to take the stand and testify that EAM-2201 is undoubtedly a CB1 agonist. the powers that be have enough money to pay someone to do this.

is anyone that orders EAM-2201 in the USA going to get arrested? obviously not. if you ever get caught with it, would you be able to get a verdict of "not guilty"? probably not.

When I had posted the law itself that is when I actually found out what it was and when I read it I did come to the same conclusion you did that I could possibly lose thank you again for that I believe I have isolated chemical that is involved in the blend I've been using it d-ZL

 

[pharmakos]

is anyone that orders EAM-2201 in the USA going to get arrested? obviously not. if you ever get caught with it, would you be able to get a verdict of "not guilty"? probably not.

to add tho this: if you are located in the US and are selling EAM-2201 online, are you more likely to get busted than if you're selling CB2 agonists? most likely.

as always, the dealers are taking a much larger risk than the users, especially with this stuff imo.

 

[Back4More420]

Does anyone know of any application for this site? or any search method. Im using Samsung galaxy note 2 on moble site.

 

[Back4More420]

to add tho this: if you are located in the US and are selling EAM-2201 online, are you more likely to get busted than if you're selling CB2 agonists? most likely.

as always, the dealers are taking a much larger risk than the users, especially with this stuff imo.

I agree. tbis will be for personal use. and im sure my frog will want me to report his experiences soon.

 

[N0 W4RN1NG]

@thenightwatch, it's true that they could circumvent their specifications by calling an 'expert witness' to the stand, or similar, but this is a LOT of effort for them to have to go through. Not to mention, something of that nature could theoretically apply to ANY research chemical, cannabinoid or not - yet we don't see expert witnesses being called to testify against etaqualone (a blatant analogue of a Schedule 1 Drug). As you mentioned, this is something US dealers of EAM-2201 may have to be concerned about, but I strongly doubt someone arrested with a couple hundred milligrams of EAM-2201 on them would get in trouble for it.

Cops are pretty dumb, at the street level. If it's not explicitly listed as a banned chemical, Officer Shmoe isn't going to cross-examine the structures for possible new analogues. (of course, if it's in a blend with a fancy package, they'll know what it is and you'll probably be fucked)

If they don't have proof of intent to use for human consumption, I would put my money on EAM-2201 being safe.

 

[b4shed]

Was there a body buzz and head buzz which was more prevalent. thanks

There was a kind of body buzz including muscle relaxation switching to muscle tension and back, but I was perfectly able to walk and I hadn't the "i'm too heavy to move"- or "I have to sit down" feeling.
The head buzz was much more prevalent and I would say that it ruled the body buzz somehow. Like being frightend leads to muscle tensions, etc.
It felt the same like smoking it, but the high lasts way longer.

Talking about afterglow or feelings next morning. Nothing special. A bit more relaxed, but nothing compared to cannabis products, which lead to a hangover for me.

 

[Back4More420]

@thenightwatch, it's true that they could circumvent their specifications by calling an 'expert witness' to the stand, or similar, but this is a LOT of effort for them to have to go through. Not to mention, something of that nature could theoretically apply to ANY research chemical, cannabinoid or not - yet we don't see expert witnesses being called to testify against etaqualone (a blatant analogue of a Schedule 1 Drug). As you mentioned, this is something US dealers of EAM-2201 may have to be concerned about, but I strongly doubt someone arrested with a couple hundred milligrams of EAM-2201 on them would get in trouble for it.

Cops are pretty dumb, at the street level. If it's not explicitly listed as a banned chemical, Officer Shmoe isn't going to cross-examine the structures for possible new analogues. (of course, if it's in a blend with a fancy package, they'll know what it is and you'll probably be fucked)

If they don't have proof of intent to use for human consumption, I would put my money on EAM-2201 being safe.

The intention of consumption part doesnt bother me. Its the part about any cemical even close to structure of a scedual. intent cant be proven unless they find these posts.lol im not worried about being caught with it it will be in a ecig if im out and about. I was worried that the DEA would be the ones to deliver my product.

 

[Back4More420]

@thenightwatch,
Cops are pretty dumb, at the street level. If it's not explicitly listed as a banned chemical, Officer Shmoe isn't going to cross-examine the structures for possible new analogues. (of course, if it's in a blend with a fancy package, they'll know what it is and you'll probably be fucked)

I have to share this. I was pulled over with a 3g jar of D-ZL herb blend and a onehitter about 15 days ago. he found it tested it and let me go. so I know they are dumb about this. also a local head shop makes their own blend. when the law took effect he just stopped spraying anything on the blend.
so they still will have problems identifying anything.
So again my only concern getting it from the supplier without setting off red flags. once this product is applied to anything it will be difficult and expensive to try to figure out what it is.

 

[Back4More420]

According to this law a glass of water could put you in jail for a felony if you represented it as liquid marijuana.

Please note that a substance need not be listed as a controlled substance to be treated as a Schedule I substance for criminal prosecution. A controlled substance analogue is a substance which is intended for human consumption and is structurally or pharmacologically substantially similar to or is represented as being similar to a Schedule I or Schedule II substance and is not an approved medication in the United States.