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[MEGA]Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion- 2nd Toke

Getting stoned=extreme anxiety

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So any time I'm stoned, buzzed, baked, high, or anything like that on any substance I get severe anxiety and it's kept me from to getting any type of effect from any drug in the past year. I've always been like this but it's gotten worse lately, and I really want to get stoned, but for some reason I always freak out and think to myself "Shit I'm high, what if the cops show up, what if it kills me, what if I pass out, what if it makes me forget all my memories, what if one of my friends dies and I just sit there and don't realize how bad it is, etc." and it's really hard to enjoy it.

Anyone else have this problem? Anyone have a solution? I don't have anxiety about a lot of other stuff, but the few things I do it's like I'd rather jump off a cliff to my death than do that particular thing.
 
^That is awesome. I had never considered the possibility of synthetics in the prison system.. But yes dissolving it onto a medium, whether it be an oil or dispersed throughout plant matter, will increase its bioavailability.
cadthorn said:
About this time last year I went on a month and a half or so long binge on JWH-192 exclusively.
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Not to ignore your question (after a year and a half of aminoalkylindole/spice usage I have never noticed any side effects after 30 day cessation), but are you sure this was JWH-192? I haven't seen it available anywhere, nor have I found much reading on it.
 
your anxieties are not rational; what if your friend dies? did thinking about this nonstop help prevent it?

The cops aren't going to bother you unless you are growing or puffing smoke in their face. These negative things will not happen when you get high. What else is making you think like this? Are you undergoing a lot of stress?

These symptoms sound like OCD, intrusive thoughts and the like. When you have them, try to slow down the thought process, break it down, find it's root, what is causing the problem in the first place.

ie. you get stoned and then paranoid about cops busting you; solution: don't get high anywhere near the cops.

A low dose of a benzo used only for these experiences will work. Do not use them daily or recreationally and you will be fine.
 
But yes dissolving it onto a medium, whether it be an oil or dispersed throughout plant matter, will increase its bioavailability.
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Really? How come? Do you have a source please?
 
JWH-250 or JWH-81

Im looking to invest in a synthetic canabanoid and was wondering which was the better of the two. I was looking for some hand on experiences.

I ingest my JWH oral so i was looking for the more bang for your buck when ingested oral. Any suggestions?
 
New Blend Found in Ontario Canada

After some looking around I tried some Bayou blaster down in Memphis, and tried some K2 Ultra ordered online, found a blend here in ontario Canada that is pretty mellow very much more like the high off weed. really nice herbal blend that its on too can tell someone knew what they were doing. its called Cupids Dart if anyone is looking for something nice.
 
Since it's a bit stupid to have a regular prescription for getting stoned maybe a few times a month (on a good month if I didn't have anxiety) would I benefit more from just picking up a few diazepam from a friend that normally deals them to benzo addicts? Or should I still go to a psychiatrist and wait for half a year of him trying behavioral therapy, then probably another 3 months in some other therapy, and MAYBE then a benzo?

I know you're going to call me retarded hippy for this... but there's this drink at 7-11s and some grocery stores that's good for calm, it has valerian root, passion flower, and many other--far more useless-- plants in it. Is that worth a try? It can last as long as a cannabuzz in my experience, but I haven't tried it.
 
Are you doing it alone? Thats when things usually go bad with me. Once i became so panaoid, i m still under the infuelnce of it. Ofc i was in a bad mood then, home alone, shitty winter dark time. However, i find this state of mind very suitable for thinking about where are these fears come from, its some kinda meditation i guess. I have to to be able to say STOP when the "badthinking" comes.

Maybe its just me, but once i got the idea when i mixed weed with kratom that the krat is perfectly helpful to get over anxiety/fears, and turning your thinking into a good way.

Sorry for my english, hope you still understood me.
 
i used to get badly anxious when smoking, so i gave up. benzos or alcohol help. just dont abuse them
 
you'll have to get through it yourself. don't mean to be rude, i have it too, the intrusive string of paranoid thoughts, low doses of depakote (500-1000MG) help ALOT but it still rests deep in your soal, that impending doom feeling
 
Harth of the Sun said:
Are you doing it alone? Thats when things usually go bad with me. Once i became so panaoid, i m still under the infuelnce of it. Ofc i was in a bad mood then, home alone, shitty winter dark time. However, i find this state of mind very suitable for thinking about where are these fears come from, its some kinda meditation i guess. I have to to be able to say STOP when the "badthinking" comes.

Maybe its just me, but once i got the idea when i mixed weed with kratom that the krat is perfectly helpful to get over anxiety/fears, and turning your thinking into a good way.

Sorry for my english, hope you still understood me.
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I understand you perfectly, but yeah I was alone. But the two (total) times I got stoned on cannabis in the last year one was because I had taken a day off classes and I was really stressed and needed to relax, and the other was just because I felt like it. I would love to be with one of my stoner friends but I only have one that's a good friend and... I don't know, if I ever get time with him maybe I'll try it.

And remember, this isn't FROM smoking, it's ABOUT smoking. But it can occur while I'm stoned of course..
 
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Vader said:
Really? How come? Do you have a source please?
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Well I don't have a source for the plant matter part other than anecdotal experience, but it should increase bioavailability as the poorly water-soluble cannabinoid is soaked throughout the slightly more substantial plant matter (it's the same idea as taking dietary fibre, it sticks around in your GI tract so that nutrients have time to absorb rather than passing straight through the urine). As for lipid carriers increasing bioavailability, in studying nutrition I have read that most fat soluble compounds have poor bioavailability until they are dispersed throughout an oil then (ideally) emulsified into a suspension. Some cooking oils have better solubility than others, but absorption of these oils is much easier when an emulsifier is present. Lecithin works as an excellent edible emulsifier, and I have heard that an easy household source for this is good ol' fashioned mayonnaise or (not-so-old-fashioned) soy bean oil. Personally, I just take a PhosphatidylSerine complex which also contains PhosphatidylCholine (lecithin), other phospholipids (PE & PI), and a blend of fatty acids. They're good for your head and should increase the bioavailability of coadministered fat soluble vitamins and supplements (or other compounds, whatever your fancy).
You can find an explanation of why here if you have access to PubMed, or a less detailed description here if you can't see the first one.
 
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Do I HAVE to use damiana leaves when making a blend? Or could I use plain old pipe tobacco? I'm already a cigarette smoker so the tobacco itself wouldn't bother me, and it's for personal use so it wouldn't bother anyone else.
 
Do you inhale pipe tobacco? I think rolling tobacco would probably taste better. I always use raspberry leaves... or parsley in a pinch lol I wonder how a filter affects these things
also, Vader why are you a guest?
 
I agree that rolling tobacco would probably be better and smoother to inhale..pipe tobacco is pretty harsh when inhaled..
 
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