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[MEGA] Meditation

I find some of Carbon Based Lifeforms music some of the best for myself when i practice Kundalini, very downtempo deep space ambiance.

I still like mediating while in silence, though i find music to be a powerful aid in moving me towards that state of consciousness.. which at that point my association with music fades out.
 
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pf echoes said:
halcyon on & on. any orbital song is very good for meditation.
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This is a great song by a great artist, but I still think this is too melodic and distracting for meditation.

* When I'm looking to put on background music for meditation, I look for soundscapes, not songs. Japanese koto (transverse harp) music is good.

* A genre called 'drone' or 'darkdrone' is great, and makes you feel like you've stepped into a movie, with background music that builds tension.

* I'd recommend ambient stuff by people like Brian Eno, but that'd just be cliche. I find his music kind of cold and shallow, anyway.

* Experimental compositions by people like Lavonne Young, which are definitely music but not songs, can help.

* Channels full of soft nature sounds, like gentle rain, crickets, a few faraway birds, cicadas, etc, can help you feel like you're meditating somewhere verdant. No song of the whale -- it's hard to not pay attention to.
 
Sentience said:
What kinds of meditation practices are people here using?
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Im kinda young and i havent devoted alot of time to meditation yet. When i do do it, i first do deep breathing, then i focus on the sound of nothingness and try to concentrate on the lack of sound, after a little i'll incorporate repeating "i am" or ill count every deep breath until my ego starts making noise and dismiss the sound and then ill restart the count. unfortunately i usually only get to like 30 or so breaths b4 a thought enters my mind. my granpa taught me how to meditate. also when im performing a task like cooking food ill repeat "i am cooking" over and over without allowing my ego to interrupt. i havent yet tried the whole omm thing but my granpa suggested that i do. i like to sit with my legs crossed with my thumb and index finger connected. i really try to imagine pulling my qi to my stomach every time i take a deep breath. is how i do it the right way?
 
Meditation Help Needed

Okay, Im a complete novice to meditation, but theres a couple of things that prevent me from progressing.

I cant seem to stop music coming into my head, like it would be silent for a second, then suddenly, a song comes on. Ill "turn it off" so to speak, only for it to come back a second later. Its incredibly frustrating.

The other is that there is constant overlapping chatter, reminding me of what I should be looking out for, or tips Ive read on the internet. For example;

"1...2....Ohh youve gone two numbers without (3....) thinking about anything, wikihow said that (4....) you should have better posture, are you sure your posture is (5...) correct?"

Could anyone give some advice please? The frustraion of this makes me give up in about 15mins.

thanks.
 
It's hard, I'm still learning as well. The key is to practice, and then practice more. 15 mins is pretty good, even if your mind id going crazy during that 15, a lot of people couldn't sit still for two. Find a meditation class, they're usually really cheap, and for me something about being around a bunch of other people doing the same thing really helps to keep me trying.
It sometimes feels like I'm just 'going through the motions' on days I can't turn my brain off, but that's sort of the point. As long as you don't get frustrated, and keep trying, you're basically doing it.
A few ideas; Maybe try to do several shorter sessions a day. Even for just a couple of minutes, it can be more productive, and make you want to try again later. Walking meditation really helped me make some strides in clearing my mind, which translated over to sitting meditation (look it up online, tons of stuff, really easy to do). Meditaing right before you go to sleep, while you're lying down in bed, is a great time to practice, as long as you don't get frustrated or negative, you'll have an amazing sleep.
It's all about the process, not the result, good luck!
 
I just PMed a guy about how to meditate. I will just paste what I wrote to him, it has some tips about how to quiet that "inner chatter"

The Lotus Position may be uncomfortable for a beginner as the leg cramps / pain will prevent you from achieving success so I will explain a simpler method that I learned to do. (this only works if your male) Try sitting on a pillow or a soft matted surface (something that won't kill you to sit still on for 20 mins+) Sit cross-legged with your right heel almost in your ass crack and the sole against your left inner thigh, it should feel comfortable. Now place your left sole against your right shin and sit with your spine as straight as possible with your palms gently grabbing your kneecaps.

From here you can not rush into this, nothing will happen until you let it happen for its self. You must first calm your body, your thoughts, and release yourself.

Once in a quiet place with no distractions take the sitting position as explained. You must now focus on your breathing. (Note: darkness, scented candles, and incense help sooth you.) Breathe naturally through your nostrils, let this be your only thought and only focus, do not let your mind drift. Try not to use words in your head, try not to even hear yourself breathe, try to let everything go blank aside from your breath.

Soon you will notice your breath will start to slow and slow and slow until it almost stops, you should only feel a tiny vibration at the very tip of your nose and nothing more, and nothing else should exist in the darkness of your mind.

Just relax and let yourself drift off (sometimes soothing meditation music helps for this, personally I find it distracting.)


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If focusing on breathing did not help you fully quiet your inner chatter than perhaps this may help.

Simply imagine a big Dumpster or a very large metal box on your mental screen. Then see it open and put all your thoughts and worries in it one by one.... bills... your love life.... problems.... your children.... your job... everything you can think of. Then close the lid and lock it! Then push it off your mental screen. If this does not work for you the first time... simply try again the next day.... it will work for you.


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Now this is what to do once you completely cleared your mind.

Scenario 1:
This meditation is simply doing nothing and thinking of nothing. Simply sit there after clearing your mind and continue to think of nothing. After awhile you may have some visions or a symbol appear to you mental screen. You may hear an inner voice which is God within speaking to you.... so listen carefully to your message. You may hear or see nothing and that is fine. This is simple stress relief and giving your mind and body some peace. It is giving your mind a break from all the everyday worries. After ten or fifteen minutes open your eyes and return to normal life.

Scenario 2:
This one is more fun and very easy. After you have cleared you mind..... see yourself walking through a field of tall grass and keep walking until you find a nice shade tree by a river. Sit yourself under the tree. Relax even more and enjoy the cool breeze and the sound of the water flowing nearby you. Take in all the sounds of Mother Nature.... the birds..... the wind... everything. Just sit there for as long as you so choose and enjoy your special place of peace. For this is the place you will want to return to every time you meditate. Try to notice how you now feel... how at peace you are with yourself. For in this place you are carefree and have no worries..... no one to harm you no one to stress you out, no one to tell you what to do.... only you and nature as one. You may want to stay here forever, but you must return after awhile. When you are ready to return.... simply get up from under the tree and walk back up the path through the field of tall grass till you return home. Gently open your eyes and return to normal life.

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Keep in mind that you should only meditate one minute per year you have been alive. (set an alarm)

*Note: make sure you will not be disturbed while doing meditation. Turn off the phone and if anyone lives with you tell them to leave you alone!
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Best of luck, glad to see more people practicing meditation. =D
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Another thing is, at my meditation class we meditate sitting in chairs. Back straight, feet flat on the floor, It's apparently a western thing, but our teacher is a Buddhist nun, who says it's a valid method just to be more comfortable. (less distractions when you're not sore or trying to hold an uncomfortable position)
 
I've been meditating for a few years and I still can't get into the full-lotus. It isn't necessary anyway: you can just sit 'indian style'

the way your life is going at the current time heavily impacts how your meditation experience unfolds. If I'm stressed or preoccupied or even tied up in things that make me happy (ie clinging to life) like success with women, etc... I generally cannot meditate at all. When I find myself in a positive mental state, exploring new things, reading Buddhist literature, etc... I can meditate more frequently and with a calmer mind.

A good way: sit down, totally alone, in a silent place (I like to do it outside even, with the birds chirping, etc...). Take deep breaths and release all the stress built up in your body. Once you've done that, imagine a blue sky. If your mind is clouded or overly-active, imagine the sky clearing up, removing all your tensions and thoughts and concerns. Once you've got a clear blue sky, you can start your meditation.

Counting is okay, but I find it distracting. I simply breath. Watch the breath enter at a particular spot on your nostrils, then feel it go from your mouth, down your throat, into your lungs and chest and belly, then exhale. Another favorite of mine is to play a game called 'Observe That Pain'

In this game, I notice that sitting causes pain in my knees, so I observe the feeling of the pain, note that it isn't bad or good, but simply an impulse from my body, and the pain goes away. A similar game is the 'Observe That Itch' game. This one is pretty obvious. Maybe it is simply your skin stretching, or maybe a hairy spider crawling on my leg: I just observe the sensation, note it, and let it pass.

By doing these things, you'll build up your mental fortitude to a point where meditation becomes more fluid.
 
Meditation

What are people's experiences with meditation? What drugs do you find enhance it the most and what were your experiences? Imo, LSD and meditation are pretty interesting. A hit or two of weed makes for a good session too.
 
My experience's with meditation while sober have been quite intense, comparable to the sensation i've experienced on DMT.

I usually don't try and meditate on drugs, though i have in the past with LSD and Mushrooms.. in which i was able to visualize myself in a lotus position reflecting into infinity.
 
I've never had success when combining drugs with meditation. The drugs distract my mind to the point where I give up on the meditation entirely.

However, I found that I can visualize meditational objects more vividly and sometimes with greater detail. Instead of doing a serious meditation session, I might just visualize these objects to bring about a sense of peace and calm.
 
ganja gad said:
What drugs do you find enhance it the most and what were your experiences?
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L-Theanine has shown to increase/promote alpha brain wave activity. Physiologically speaking, true meditation is simply a change from high frequency brain wave activity(beta) to a lower one(alpha or theta for example).
I don't use it for this purpose, just thought I'd bring it up as it's relevant to your question.
 
I have a question: if I find myself frequently in a state of "meditative self-inquiry" - such that I spend a great deal of time pondering the nature of self/awareness/existence in between day-to-day activities - do I have much to gain from meditation other than relaxation? I have so far discovered that it is quite good for this, but find that any attempt to focus my attention breaks the meditative state, leaving me to start over.
 
^You really aren't supposed to be thinking anything at all while in meditation. So thinking about the nature of this or that isn't the point of meditation. Nor is relaxation. (Full lotus position isn't exactly relaxing anyway IMO)
Everyone, I think, can gain immense amounts of benefits if they meditate daily, though don't expect anything.
Meditation is about experience, or conditioning. I like to think of it as a sort of mix between working out the mind, and just sorta hanging out in the world of non-duality, passively observing isness.

I will occasionally meditate while I'm stoned or drunk, because that's no reason not to meditate. I tried meditation on psychedelics, but I was way too antsy and would rather play guitar or something active. I think the nature of psychedelics makes it nearly impossible to truly "meditate" because they just unlock a seemingly endless flow of thoughts, the total opposite of meditation.
When I was in the midst of my opiate addiction I didn't bother meditating, just didn't feel like it ever.
 
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Raw Evil said:
I have a question: if I find myself frequently in a state of "meditative self-inquiry" - such that I spend a great deal of time pondering the nature of self/awareness/existence in between day-to-day activities - do I have much to gain from meditation other than relaxation? I have so far discovered that it is quite good for this, but find that any attempt to focus my attention breaks the meditative state, leaving me to start over.
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You can gain far more then relaxation from meditation :)

Kundalini Yoga/Meditation is known to be one of the most powerful forms of meditation.. the idea behind this method of meditation is to channel the energy(Kundalini) at the base of your spine(root chakra) up through your higher chakras, opening each one until it reach's unity with the crown(oneness,absolute,divinity).. this unity is so powerful it can mimic the sensation one feels from DMT. (As effectively the same process is happening in both experiences).

The merging of the Kundalini Energy with the Crown Chakra is the surrender of self to divinity. During this experience your body temperature will increase, warm sensations rushing through your limbs, pins and needles, pressure in the forehead, involuntary movement, eyelid fluttering and intense feelings of bliss,love and ecstasy.

Raw Evil said:
I have so far discovered that it is quite good for this, but find that any attempt to focus my attention breaks the meditative state, leaving me to start over.
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This was the hardest obstacle when i started meditating, the effort required to silence your mind entirely.. took a lot of practice. Because just as you feel you've silenced your mind, you make the mistake of thinking you've reached where you want to be, it's a trick to not look at it as a linear 'path' of A - B but as a single unity of 'just being'. Forget your even trying to meditate.
 
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malakaix said:
Kundalini Yoga/Meditation is known to be one of the most powerful forms of meditation.. the idea behind this method of meditation is to channel the energy(Kundalini) at the base of your spine(root chakra) up through your higher chakras, opening each one until it reach's unity with the crown(oneness,absolute,divinity).. this unity is so powerful it can mimic the sensation one feels from DMT. (As effectively the same process is happening in both experiences).
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I've seen mentioned on this board that Kundalini is "not a toy" - I have always been intrigued by this. Near I can tell, it seems somewhat akin to ego death. Is this anywhere near accurate, or am I way off?

This was the hardest obstacle when i started meditating, the effort required to silence your mind entirely.. took a lot of practice. Because just as you feel you've silenced your mind, you make the mistake of thinking you've reached where you want to be, it's a trick to not look at it as a linear 'path' of A - B but as a single unity of 'just being'. Forget your even trying to meditate.
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I find it difficult because I'm normally a very goal-oriented thinker, focused on objectives/outcomes rather than "enjoying the ride" so to speak. I'll have to try to remember that I'm in it for the process rather than some arbitrary endpoint :).
 
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