[MEGA] Legal Cannabis Alternatives

[Coolio]

These products change their ingredients all the time, too. Just because it's branded as the same thing doesn't mean it's the same thing for everyone, internationally, from week to week.

All these smoking blends are SUCH a disgusting ripoff. Lacing inert carrier material with synthetics and jacking up the price 10000%!

 

[phactor]

my brother has decided to stop smoking pot because of it's negative impact on his life, but is trying to find something that produces similar effects but effects him more positively.

before he wastes his cash on herbal options, i was wondering if you fine folk could inform me about the following products...are they good, what's the effect, how do they taste, etc.

<SNIP>

I would think that it could possibly help him at first, like when quitting maybe drop the herb and smoke a bag or two of some blend. But if he really wants to improve his life and herb is getting in the way then he should probably at least take a break from it.

 

[Rifkala]

phactor, everyone knows he should take a long break from it (right now he's taking a probation mandated break from it), but even though he isn't physically addicted to bud, he's certainly emotionally reliant on it and is dying for anything to relieve his stress, tension, and sadness.

i'm hoping that, if any of these are remotely effective, it can ween him off the emotional dependence on marijuana and other drugs.

still waiting on a personal report - here's hoping!

and everyone, sorry bout the sourcing. i'm a semi new and infrequent user of this site, and am still acquainting myself with the rules. but all the hostility is kind of ridiculous...if people mess up, just tell a mod and let them take care of it.

 

[SnailS1904]

Smoked legal herb.....help

Just lit a very small amount of some of that legal herb shit. Feels like my hearts going a million fuckn miles an hour. Freakn the fuck out. Called me girlfriend to come over to help me. What do we do.....

 

[Roose]

Just lit a very small amount of some of that legal herb shit. Feels like my hearts going a million fuckn miles an hour. Freakn the fuck out. Called me girlfriend to come over to help me. What do we do.....

Merged with mega thread.

First off use the search engine, second you need to chill the fuck out. Your just high. You smoked a legal cannabis alternative that is known to be relatively safe, your health is in no danger and it will be over in a few hours.

 

[SnailS1904]

Just lit a very small amount of some of that legal herb shit. Feels like my hearts going a million fuckn miles an hour. Freakn the fuck out. Called me girlfriend to come over to help me. What do we do.....

***damn its all over, that was soooo wack. It was MUCH more potent than any bud that i have ever smoked in terms of just straight tripping out. I honestly thought i was going to have a heart attack or something crazy with how fast my heart was beating. I dont know if its because i tried to much or if im allergic? crazy stuff

 

[Help?!?!]

These products change their ingredients all the time, too. Just because it's branded as the same thing doesn't mean it's the same thing for everyone, internationally, from week to week. All these smoking blends are SUCH a disgusting ripoff. Lacing inert carrier material with synthetics and jacking up the price 10000%!

I know! I have no idea why someone would buy these blends when you could just buy a WHOLE gram of the synthetic in the blend for the same price. With one gram you could make a qp of potent laced herbs.

 

[TheAzo]

The short-acting ones use a JWH, the long acting ones use something else (CP-55,940 or the dimethyloctyl homolog of CP-47,497 (sometimes abbreviated "CP-47,497 (C8)".

do they have any hashish alternatives

Uh... the pure synthetic cannabinoids?

***damn its all over, that was soooo wack. It was MUCH more potent than any bud that i have ever smoked in terms of just straight tripping out. I honestly thought i was going to have a heart attack or something crazy with how fast my heart was beating. I dont know if its because i tried to much or if im allergic? crazy stuff

The stuff _is_ a mixture of 2 materials (inert herbs and a pure (well, semi-pure), highly potent drug). If that mixture was not uniform, it would be easy to get way the fuck too much of it.
If you don't smoke often, it only takes a pinch of good weed to get good and baked: this is the potency the spice mfgs are going for. If you were used to crappy weed, or had taken a break from weed (no tolerance), you would have expected to have to smoke more... JWH-018 is also particularly unforgiving; probably partly because it's somewhat selective for CB2 (peripheral), so you get more of a heart-racing effect.

I suspect, as a chemical engineer, and based on the samples of JWH-XXX and CP-55,940 that i've received and photos of these spice products, that the process they use to add the synthetic cannabinoid is solvent free.
That is, they dust the JWH/CP onto the herbs, presumably with constant mixing, and the distribution is close enough to uniform that they're comfortable selling it.
Reasoning:
Spice blends don't have buds like weed, just ground herbs, so they don't have to worry about making sure the inside/outside have similar loadings of the compound. This makes dusting possible
The samples i've received are all an incredibly incredibly fine powder, when the bulk material is at best (JWH-250) plastic-like, and at worst (CP-55,940) a sticky soft resin. JWH-018 is soft at room temperature. This is not stuff that's easy to grind! The suppliers have put some real effort into rendering it into an ultra-fine (in some cases air-floating) powder. They wouldn't do this if they didn't have to, so their main customers (spice mfgs) demand it, because they need a fine powder to dust onto the herbs and get a reasonably uniform coat.

 

[xivixive]

this industry and ones like it is going to explode in the coming years, lets enjoy it before we destroy it...

curious to know if anyone knows which active ingredients are present in spark 20 & spark 30 blends? came across some in a local headshop and i'd like to be sure before i give em a shot and can't find an answer online yet.

 

[SnailS1904]

The short-acting ones use a JWH, the long acting ones use something else (CP-55,940 or the dimethyloctyl homolog of CP-47,497 (sometimes abbreviated "CP-47,497 (C8)".


Uh... the pure synthetic cannabinoids?



The stuff _is_ a mixture of 2 materials (inert herbs and a pure (well, semi-pure), highly potent drug). If that mixture was not uniform, it would be easy to get way the fuck too much of it.
If you don't smoke often, it only takes a pinch of good weed to get good and baked: this is the potency the spice mfgs are going for. If you were used to crappy weed, or had taken a break from weed (no tolerance), you would have expected to have to smoke more... JWH-018 is also particularly unforgiving; probably partly because it's somewhat selective for CB2 (peripheral), so you get more of a heart-racing effect.

Yea i have zero tolerance due to me being on probation for the past 3 years. whats crazy is that i didnt even smoke a whole bowl, i just took a few of the things in there and lit em up. Is that heart-racing thing now going to happen every time if i try and smoke again? or is there a way to prevent it from happening

 

[Oxycontin160mg]

anyone ever try "peace out" herbal blend?

I was wondering if anyone has tried this and has any idea what chemical is in it that gets you so high. They sell it around me (suburbs of chicago) i dont know if they sell it anywhere else but the shit gets me blazed as hell. just wanted to know whats in it...was thinking maybe a jwh or something but i dont know.

 

[Roose]

I was wondering if anyone has tried this and has any idea what chemical is in it that gets you so high. They sell it around me (suburbs of chicago) i dont know if they sell it anywhere else but the shit gets me blazed as hell. just wanted to know whats in it...was thinking maybe a jwh or something but i dont know.

Merged with mega thread, use the search engine before you post, thanks.

 

[Coolio]

I was wondering if anyone has tried this and has any idea what chemical is in it that gets you so high. They sell it around me (suburbs of chicago) i dont know if they sell it anywhere else but the shit gets me blazed as hell. just wanted to know whats in it...was thinking maybe a jwh or something but i dont know.

Nobody knows. How COULD they know? The manufacturers refuse to divulge the ingredients.

 

[TheAzo]

I was wondering if anyone has tried this and has any idea what chemical is in it that gets you so high. They sell it around me (suburbs of chicago) i dont know if they sell it anywhere else but the shit gets me blazed as hell. just wanted to know whats in it...was thinking maybe a jwh or something but i dont know.

JWH-xxx if it's short (shorter than weed), CP-47,497 (C-8 ) or 55,940 if it's longer than weed.

 

[bezel09]

K2 Summit help

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Hi guys I need some advice I'm going to be receiving some k2 summit sometimes in the next few days and I'm kind of worried about how the effects of it are going to hit me.Here is my background with weed I started smoking weed hardcore when i was 16 to about 18 I truly loved it but all of a sudden weed started to make me paranoid,It gave me severe anxiety attacks I even winded up in a mental hospital for two days and with appointments to a shrink, all cause of weed I did no other drugs during that time period.I am 25 know I have not touched a drug for about maybe 4-5 years since weed fucked me up. I have been taking Risperdal 4mg and fluoxteine(prozac)20 mg once daily for about the last 5 yrs all cause of my weed use and probably my underlying issues I already had.But in the mean time I am feeling much better than I did since I was a young teenager and having mental problems.So I am asking will the k2 summit affect me the same as weed or could i possibly have an joyful experience with this stuff granted I'm only going to roll a pin joint and hit a couple of times as I have read you only need a few hits to do the trick.I'm guessing since weed doesnt work for me anymore and I cant smoke it anymore maybe k2 summit will be enjoyable because it mimics weed but is not weed but at the same time that could be a problem.


Thanks guys any feedback would be highly appreciated it.


bezel

 

[Cloud_9]

I always assumed the "K2 Summit" was the second highest natural formation on earth nestled deep in the Pakistani Himalayas. Though I am probably wrong, I can never keep up with you crazy kids and your "designer" drugs!

Edit: To lend some help: I have some friends in Europe who say that while some of those weed substitutes may mimic the body high of marijuana, it won't necessarily make you head-high if that makes sense. I have no idea what the actives are in this pack or fake-weed, perhaps you can tell us, or just take a chance and end up chemically restrained...

 

[bezel09]

I beileve the active chemical in k2 summit is jwh 018 if that helps?

 

[deadricbloodgod]

In the sake of harm reduction it would be better off just not to try it. Similar effects could produce similar reactions. Also there's some evidence(to lazy for sources) that weed can bring out pre-existing psychological conditions so that's a possibility of what happened with you.

If you're trying to find out if you'll be alright smoking it then it's just really anyone's guess. As said above I would advise against it, however if you're dead set on doing it then just be careful. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE JWH, if that's what's really in it. If you smoke a lot I wouldn't be surprised if you had a panic attack. That shit will get you way higher than weed in very undesirable ways. Sometimes even completely tripping.

On a side note I enjoy JWH-018 more than weed. Its like a sativa high and you dose a little higher then it almost starts becoming an indica.

 

[bezel09]

What is the best way to abort a bad trip? granted im not going to smoke a whole bunch of this shit anyway i just want to be safe.

 

[Trigeminal]

I would personally start smaller, dude. But if you want to go for it, go for it. Make sure you don't forget your oxygen tank and ice picks.