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We'll just have to agree to disagree on the perlite thing. The only reason I was adament it is pointless is because of the overwhelming consensus on the main board I frequent. Oldtimer1 himself dispelled him and he is probably one of the most knowledgable cannabis growers in existence. As an interesting point, he was the person who coined the term leaf spot fungus (LSF) which shows the influence he has since everyone uses this term now. No hard feelings anyway.

Let's play devils advocate and say it does achieve the aeration and improve the medium. Well, if that were true coco would still be a far superior ammendment. It provides an ideal air to water ratio in the medium, preventing waterlogging. It has a powerful capillary action and is hydrophillic and also provides beneficial trichoderma fungi as well as hormones. It is an excellent medium in it's own right and you'll see if you use it, the root growth is explosive and growth is a lot faster. It is less messy and the benefits are endless. I love it so much I'm using it as a medium in autopots (these are legendary). The Autopots use no electricity and water from underneath which is good in coco. Because of the capillary action it sucks up th water readily. If you're using coco in a drain to waste system water the coco nutrients daily. I've heard reports that you can in fact use organic nutrients with coco but I have no experience. I'm using Hesi coco nutrients designed for coco's cation exchange capacity (CEC). Hesi is the best coco nutrient on the Market IMO and has 100% organic N. Biobizz Fishmix is an excellent organic nutrient that has been shown to work well in coco. Biobizz Fishmix has a good reputation for helping establish and maintain a good soil foodweb outdoors where it is normally used. It can be used in conjunction with other fertilizers with success. Outside a couple of months before growing I dig dead fish into the bottom of a hole in the ground, covering it up with the dug out topsoil so that by the time I grow the soil becomes enriched with nutrients, especially N. If given enough time to decompose it becomes partnof the soil and doesn't smell or give fishy buds. Fishmix does stink but when watered in it doesn't smell at all.

Organic nutrients (in general) need a microherd to convert them into plant-available forms. So, it is important to help feed and to provide a good environment for the soil foodweb (e.g. fungi, bacteria, protazoa and nematodes). Feed the medium, not the plants. Any chemical fertilizer (nutrients) kill off at least part of the foodweb. The foodweb helps ward off diseases and has many direct or indirect beneficial effects on the plant so it is important for soil health. Organic nutrients can give just as high a yield as chemical nutrients as long as the foodweb is healthy. The reason people sometimes get better results with chemical mineral salt fertilizers is because their medium just doesn't support this crucial foodweb and so they are bound to get better results with chemical nutrients as it's like mainlining - the nutrient goes straight to the plant. The main advantage of organic nutrients is that you don't need to flush at the end to remove nasty residuals from the plant tissue and the flavour is a LOT better and sweeter. If you do grow hydroponically you can improve the final taste of you weed flowers by curing for AT LEAST a month, preferrably longer.

The best organic hydro nutrient system is General Hydroponics (Europe) Biosevia with the Biofiltre and the special fungi packets you buy with this separately. The biofiltre, considering what it does and how well it works, is very inexpenaive. The system will keep your res clean and free from pathogens and works well.

Fytocell is another medium/ammendment which can take the place of perlite and can in itself be an excellent medium. It is a recent development and even in an amazingly simple setup like a hempy bucket people have consistently been reporting that it definitely outperforms both vermiculite and perlite. It can be added to the medium at a rate of 10-20% and is used in Plant Magic Soil Supreme which is almost definitely one of the few of the best cannabis-specific grow mediums. I have found Fytocell to be almost unbelievably good. One time I couldn't recognize the plant it had grown so much in the 7 days since I last looked at the plant.

I'm using coco coir (the husks). It can be described as a crumb structure rather than fibres or dust.

If you want I can give you some evidence-based medium recipes.

I like to use ammendments such as calcified seaweed, kelp meal, seaweed extract, rock phosphate, rock guano, fresh guano, fish emulsion/hydrolysate, neem cake, mycorhizzal fungi, trichoderma fungi, dolomite, rock dust, composted bark, worm castings, alfalfa/comfrey extract (they contain amazing phytochemicals, one of which is contained in alfalfa that cannabis responds particularly well and is the active ingredient in Superthrive), humic and fulvic acid and actively aerated compost teas (this is the most effective thing I've ever used and I've done some work with colleagues of the eminent Dr. Elaine Ingham recently who did pioneering research into the area, so I can help you in this area). Particularly in the last year I have not gone out in my spare time and have done nothing but learn about horticulture, some of which includes cannabis growing. It is my passion and gets me very excited. I love it more than my unborn kids.

Have you considered growing organically in a hydro setup (it is possible if you were not aware and I'm not talking about aquaponics)? You don't even really need to spend much money -you could use a Fytocell hempy bucket.

If you have any questions I would love to help. Even if it's your grow room that you want to improve.
 
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Well, I do use Cocoir, and I do use a very small ammount of perlite. (Probably 10 part coco to 1 part perlite)
I really dont know much about micro nutrients and what not, but I am taking a botany class next semester, so, hopefully Ill learn some stuff there as well. Sorry if there was any confusion.
The coco I have is more strand and fibrous than it is dust, but , I read that the dust of cocoir is far superior to the fibrous strands, do you know if this holds any truth or not?

Also, I'm confused about some of what you wrote, are you growing organic Hydro , organic soil, or both or what? I read the word hydro so much and I can't help but think of a Hydroponic System.(Is that what the fungi packets are for, or are they for soil?)

I finally bought Fox Farms nutes today, found a new Hydro shop, gonna buy my light system there in a few days also.
I got Grow big, and Big bloom, I haven't used them. I plan on giving my plant one or two more regular waterings before using any nutes again....

As for Fytocell, Ive heard of it, I might try to pick some up next time I goto the shop to buy my lights and all.

Anyone have tips on buying HID kits at stores?lol.



I did take cuttings, I used rockwool for one and peat moss for the other, just to see if it makes a difference ( i hear alot of people seem to take soo many cuttings just to get a few to live)
Well, both seem to have taken root, but they are really droopy still, it's been about a week, maybe more since I took the cutting and placed them in the cup, Ive kept them warm, and Ive kept their soil moist, and spray their leaves often (as I think I remember reading that cuttings get their only water from their leaves?)

They both seem to be fine, hopefully it stays that way,

I also have a friend who is taking some OG Kush cuttings for me, Ill be getting 2 clones of OG Kush (female ofcourse, lol)


(And as for how I cut my clones, well, I remember my first grow, I got a bowl of water, placed the branch as much underwater as I could(where i was gonna cut) , and cut it at an angle, and shaved off the bottom stem, put it in water, then rolled it in rooting powder, after making my cups with soil in them, I make a small hole for the cutting (so the powder doesnt get rubbed off). I just keep the leaves wet by spraying when ever I get the chance, same with the soil, keeping it moist, I think they may have rooted so Idk if I wanna lay off the water or keep giving it to them....)

This grow, I didnt cut them under water, and I didnt cut at much of an angle, I kinda was in a hurry, they seem to have taken root, but , theres absolutely no growth yet, so , I dont know. I just take the fact that they aren't dying as a good sign, lol.
 
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...both seem to have taken root, but they are really droopy still
Roots are a definite yes or no, and never have to be a "seem to". Knowing your roots is important. Just look at them.

The rockwool may simply be picked up out of the cup and viewed from underneath and from the sides of the rockwool itself (this is the reason, other than versatility, i recommend rockwool). if you see white roots growing out of it, it's rooted. if not, it might not have done anything at all. the cutting in the peat moss alone may be carefully pulled up; it will easily slide out if no roots (just place it back in), or it will resist from pulling out and carry the weight of a small cup if rooted. it's as simple as that.
 
Well, can't pull either of em up.
Im thinking its time to cut off the lower leaves and just transfer to a smaller pot, & place outside in my garden.

I just saw a thread on this, but no answers, anyone know of plants I should put in my garden that have the same leaf count , or look like marijuana?
 
Well, I gave some of the fox farm nutes today, Ill check on it when I wake up, see if it helped or made it worse... the stems were starting to produce purple lines, which means they're stressed, dont know why though.
Should I flower this plant when I get my HID lights (if I do end up buying them), should I just switch over to HPS, or goto MH and Veg more?
Still wondering what to do for heat in that closet with the lights....
 
Should I flower this plant when I get my HID lights (if I do end up buying them), should I just switch over to HPS, or goto MH and Veg more?
Still wondering what to do for heat in that closet with the lights....
Yeah you should get HPS HID for flower. A 150-250 HPS would easily flower your mother and stay cool, but you are not going to be able to get away with anything higher than 250 or 400 (stretching it) without proper construction to the walls/door of the grow room for ventilation.
 
yeah, I was thinking buying a 400, I was thinking about just cutting a hole into the ceiling and connecting a vent from the ac to my closet, and another on the other side to vent hot air into the attic, or , what ever is up there.

Also, my plant seems to be doing alright, but Ive been noticing the tops of the branches/stems are a little weak, the bend easily, they dont go back into place, the just, seem very unhappy, and have signs of stress showing (Purple and green striped stems lol) What would I do to strengthen them?

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Also, how many plants could grow under a 250, I was hoping for a 400 watt, as I plan to have 4 plants in the future, soon, How many watts would it take to grow 4 plants healthy? lol
 
yeah, I was thinking buying a 400, I was thinking about just cutting a hole into the ceiling and connecting a vent from the ac to my closet, and another on the other side to vent hot air into the attic, or , what ever is up there.
Cool, just make sure you have an ok with the owner of the property and/or be able to fix/replace the ceiling/vent when you move out if that's what you decide to do. It's no easy task that's for sure...

Also, my plant seems to be doing alright, but Ive been noticing the tops of the branches/stems are a little weak, the bend easily, they dont go back into place, the just, seem very unhappy, and have signs of stress showing (Purple and green striped stems lol) What would I do to strengthen them?
As for the tips of the plant, it should bend easily and the stem should be a nice color of green. The red in the stems is a nutrient issue (i think you said you got Big Bloom?, once you think she is ready for another feeding and her PH is good try some of that stuff ;), but it also happens with age. The longer you hold a mother, the harder it is to keep her green :\

Also, how many plants could grow under a 250, I was hoping for a 400 watt, as I plan to have 4 plants in the future, soon, How many watts would it take to grow 4 plants healthy? lol
I don't think of how many plants I can fit under a X amount of watts HPS, but rather how many gallons of soil I can fill with roots under X amount of watts HPS. I would guess you could safely put 8 gallons of soil under 250 HPS. So, that 8 gallons can hold anywhere from 2-6 plants. So if you put 6 plants in, they would be very small and if you instead put 2 plants in, they would be large (about the size of your mother).
So, if you want to keep the same size plants and you want 4 of them, the 250 won't cut it, but the 400 will. But, if you simply want to have 4 plants, 250 watts will work fine, but they shouldn't be in pots bigger than 2 gallons each, and you need throw them into flower a little earlier so the roots don't clot.

It's all about timing of veg to flower after you root your cuttings, that will determine their size and appropriate size of pot to plant them in.
 
Well, I do use Cocoir, and I do use a very small ammount of perlite. (Probably 10 part coco to 1 part perlite)
I really dont know much about micro nutrients and what not, but I am taking a botany class next semester, so, hopefully Ill learn some stuff there as well. Sorry if there was any confusion.
The coco I have is more strand and fibrous than it is dust, but , I read that the dust of cocoir is far superior to the fibrous strands, do you know if this holds any truth or not?

Also, I'm confused about some of what you wrote, are you growing organic Hydro , organic soil, or both or what? I read the word hydro so much and I can't help but think of a Hydroponic System.(Is that what the fungi packets are for, or are they for soil?)

I finally bought Fox Farms nutes today, found a new Hydro shop, gonna buy my light system there in a few days also.
I got Grow big, and Big bloom, I haven't used them. I plan on giving my plant one or two more regular waterings before using any nutes again....

As for Fytocell, Ive heard of it, I might try to pick some up next time I goto the shop to buy my lights and all.

Anyone have tips on buying HID kits at stores?lol.



I did take cuttings, I used rockwool for one and peat moss for the other, just to see if it makes a difference ( i hear alot of people seem to take soo many cuttings just to get a few to live)
Well, both seem to have taken root, but they are really droopy still, it's been about a week, maybe more since I took the cutting and placed them in the cup, Ive kept them warm, and Ive kept their soil moist, and spray their leaves often (as I think I remember reading that cuttings get their only water from their leaves?)

They both seem to be fine, hopefully it stays that way,

I also have a friend who is taking some OG Kush cuttings for me, Ill be getting 2 clones of OG Kush (female ofcourse, lol)


(And as for how I cut my clones, well, I remember my first grow, I got a bowl of water, placed the branch as much underwater as I could(where i was gonna cut) , and cut it at an angle, and shaved off the bottom stem, put it in water, then rolled it in rooting powder, after making my cups with soil in them, I make a small hole for the cutting (so the powder doesnt get rubbed off). I just keep the leaves wet by spraying when ever I get the chance, same with the soil, keeping it moist, I think they may have rooted so Idk if I wanna lay off the water or keep giving it to them....)

This grow, I didnt cut them under water, and I didnt cut at much of an angle, I kinda was in a hurry, they seem to have taken root, but , theres absolutely no growth yet, so , I dont know. I just take the fact that they aren't dying as a good sign, lol.

I'm at this very moment in coco, which is a hydroponic medium, in Autopots and am using NFT but also have a couple of plants in an organic soilless mix. Hydro can be organic. General Hydroponics make Biosevia nutes that work with a fungi they make in hydro systems like NFT, Wilma, IWS etc.

Finer coco can be better than the coarser coco, yes. Canna coco professional is the best brand I have ever tried.

Although cutting the tips for cutting underwater can prevent an embolism I have never had to do this an have achieved a near 100% success rate. I you really want to start doing that sort of thing I would recommend exposing the cambium layer by cutting the base of the stem, making a slit, which will encourage faster rooting. Be patient though - people sometimes don't give it enough time to root and give up.

You only need to make the cut in the right place at a 45 deg angle, remove the bottom leaves, cut large leaves in half and spray once before putting it in the substrate. It only needs to be sprayed once with water before being put in a propagator to maintain high humidity.

Also, this isn't absolutely necessary but gel rooting hormone formulas are generally superior to the powder ones. Clonex is one of the best ones available. Lots of people don't even bother with rooting hormone and almost always get their cuttings to root anyway.

I believe Root Riot cubes may cause the cuttings to root faster than rockwool but I'm not 100% sure about that.
 
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Could you explain that a bit more in detail? Like, what or where to cut, how far, and I dont know what layer that is of that plant.
Thought I know I probably should...

Do you know how many plants I could comfortably grow under a 400 watt HID?
I only want 4 plants, so, I was thinking 100 watts per plant, but I dont know much about HID, and how much ligh plants need from these types of lights.
Im just trying to find the right wattage/setup to buy, so I dont over do it, no point in having a 1000 watter if Im only growing 4 plants ...
 
Ah, Sorry, Didnt see that, thanks.


I was thinking of keeping them each in 4 gallon pots(Well, I was gonna do 5 gallon each, but since you put it that way...)

I guess the mother is telling me it wants to flower then, well, in 3 days, Ill give her a nice flush, switch the lights and start with the big bloom
 
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Could you explain that a bit more in detail? Like, what or where to cut, how far, and I dont know what layer that is of that plant.
Thought I know I probably should...

Do you know how many plants I could comfortably grow under a 400 watt HID?
I only want 4 plants, so, I was thinking 100 watts per plant, but I dont know much about HID, and how much ligh plants need from these types of lights.
Im just trying to find the right wattage/setup to buy, so I dont over do it, no point in having a 1000 watter if Im only growing 4 plants ...

You can grow however many plants you want, for example 1 plant under 1000W is possible, but you'd need a long veg time and it wouldn't be optimum (most people say it is overkill and for the cost of the electricity you wouldn't get much bang for your buck). I'd say for 4 plants a 250W HID is fine. I know someone that had 6.5L final pots with one 250W HID and they easily reach a gram per watt. The fewer plants you have (e.g. 1 plant under a 1kW light) the longer the veg time you need to make the most of the setup. So, why not hit that sweet spot and increase the number of plants slightly (unless you're paranoid about getting caught or something). If you go down the route of having fewer plants, you need to SCROG to get the most of the situation.

EDIT: I forgot to add, the accepted ideal is 50 Watts per square foot. I'm not sure what your floor space is.

To expose the cambium take your cutting as normal and in the base of the stem, where the original cut was made, cut the stem in two about 2mm up the stem.
 
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Having issues posting with my iPhone.

I'm not sure I've understood. How big is your closet?

What fans are you using for ventilation?

What I was trying to say (having difficulties with editing) is that you first need to ignore the number of plants. You need to first figure out your floor space that you're using. Then you need to buy an HID light that gets you clost to 50 watts per square foot of floor space. Once this is sorted then you need to decide what number of plants you are going to have and taking all this into consideration, the length of veg.
 
The most efficient HID is a 600W HPS followed by a 600W MH. You can flower with a MH but it runs hotter and will give a lower yield. Possibly because of the UV radiation and/or bluish tinge to MH, even though it yields less in flower, it can give more psychoactive weed. For a complete spectrum closer to sunlight use a combination of MH and HPS HID lights. A rotating light mover using both gives the best results. Of course, nothing will ever beat sunlight. Greenhouse grown weed will always be the best, period. Nothing beats a good guerilla grow. The soil-grown plants also have enormous root systems and won't have trace element deficiencies like you get in container grown plants more often. I'm experimenting with raised beds/no-dig gardens.
 
I bought a 600 watt HID today , Ballast, Hood, Everything, Also bought some things from home depot to have a 4 inch duct running from the lights hood up into the attic, I couldn't find any duct fans though....

My closet is about 10ft in length, 3 1/2 in width, I know I didnt need a 600 watt , but , from what I was being told, its better to grow into something than to grow out....

Anywho, Ill be experimenting just using the bulb at 300 watts to see what it does to the temps .

Anyone know where I can get fans for inline duct fans?, Also, would it help airflow to have two 4inch fans pumping air out of the closet , or would one 4 inch fan do it? (Im guessing it all depends on quality of the fan right...)
Anywho, This is an expensive project, Better get to work at hang this good, that seems like the hardest thing Im gonna have to do next to air ducts...Ive never set up or used any type of ducting material, lol, here we go.


Ill probably end up growing 4 plants under the 400 or 600 watt, depends on how things go, and how the temps are once I get everything settled...

Plants doing well, no more burning, Gonna flush out thursday, and start flowering friday, (Ive got a 600 watt SUPER HPS DELUXE!!! bulb. haha, whatever that means)
I was told I should be able to grow in a 6X6, or 8X8 area, dont remember which.

And Im guessing since my closet is really LONG and not so wide, Im going to have to try SCrog, with the 4 plants...
Im still just experimenting, seeing what does what and what works better , I just need to think of a way to do this ducting.
 
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I bought a 600 watt HID today , Ballast, Hood, Everything, Also bought some things from home depot to have a 4 inch duct running from the lights hood up into the attic, I couldn't find any duct fans though....

My closet is about 10ft in length, 3 1/2 in width, I know I didnt need a 600 watt , but , from what I was being told, its better to grow into something than to grow out....

Anywho, Ill be experimenting just using the bulb at 300 watts to see what it does to the temps .

Anyone know where I can get fans for inline duct fans?, Also, would it help airflow to have two 4inch fans pumping air out of the closet , or would one 4 inch fan do it? (Im guessing it all depends on quality of the fan right...)
Anywho, This is an expensive project, Better get to work at hang this good, that seems like the hardest thing Im gonna have to do next to air ducts...Ive never set up or used any type of ducting material, lol, here we go.


Ill probably end up growing 4 plants under the 400 or 600 watt, depends on how things go, and how the temps are once I get everything settled...

Plants doing well, no more burning, Gonna flush out thursday, and start flowering friday, (Ive got a 600 watt SUPER HPS DELUXE!!! bulb. haha, whatever that means)
I was told I should be able to grow in a 6X6, or 8X8 area, dont remember which.

And Im guessing since my closet is really LONG and not so wide, Im going to have to try SCrog, with the 4 plants...
Im still just experimenting, seeing what does what and what works better , I just need to think of a way to do this ducting.

With the following I am trying to help and over the net it is hard to convey tone of voice, but I assure you I'm not having a go.

What do you mean running a 600W bulb on 300W? A 600W bulb is a 600W bulb, unless I've misunderstood you. You need to sort your ventilation, otherwise it's not worth growing at all.

I'm not sure you can just vent into the attic (although I really don't have any experience in this area). Normally people go into the chimney and stuff like that. Plants can transpire LITRES a day. All this goes int the air, so you can imagine the damage caused by just venting into the attic/house. Can you not vent outside/into the chimney somehow?

You could just have an extraction fan with a passive intake or you could have an intake fan that is smaller than the extraction.

You shouldn't have two 4" fans extracting. Go to this link and calculate fan requirements. Plug in area measurements, light wattage etc. You need a powerful extraction fan and a less powerful one as the intake. So you might be able to use the 4" fan as the intake and a larger one as extraction, but don't use a weaker fan than you need for your space. Skimping on the extraction results in the plants sitting in their own toxic waste gasses, causes mold (problems like damp etc) and a whole host of problems. Get a carbon filter to fit your extraction. I have a 1.2mx1.2mx1.8. This is a volume of 2.592m3 and I have a 6" extraction and a 5" intake fan (not passive). The 6" is 725 m3/h but I'm not sure about the 5" - it's not far off. Work out the volume of your room and compare it to mine and consider what type of extraction I have. It's important to realise these fans are fucking noisy. If you have visitors or sleep in the same room, you need to control the sound. I can help you do this if you want (advise you on nifty tricks which work a treat). My fans are so quiet you just can't hear them, even in the same room. You need to set up a ventillation system so that the grow room air space is changed at LEAST once every three minutes. The more powerful, within reason, the higher your yield will be and the better results you'll get. To beginners this isn't immediately apparent as something like say the power or type of your light. However, counterintuitively, a very good ventillation system will give you more end yield than switching from a crap light to a good light. Plants produce O2 amd 'breathe'/take in CO2 which is what people even add to turbocharge thier plants (don't even think of this yet by the way!). So, the plants just sit their in their own stale gasses unless you actively keep changingbthe grow room air with fresh air, expelling the used grow room air straight outside with a good extraction just after passing the aromatic air impregnated with cannabis fragrance through a GOOD carbon filter. Get the better brand of carbon filter and NEVER, I repeat, NEVER ever get a budget cheaper carbon filter. These are most certainly inferior and often, as I have seen first hand and heard second hand time and time again, just not up to doing the basic job of removing the smell adequately so that your whole house or apartment doesn't fucking stink of marijuana, which ain't a lot to ask! This apart from telling no one (I mean no one) that you grow, is the single most effective precaution against getting busted you can ever take. Do it - buy one. You need to!

You need a weaker light to propagate your plants with e.g. a CFL light. A 600W light is too much for a small seedling/cutting. I use a 250W as an intermediate after using a mere 20W to germinate or root cuttings. The 250W is the most versatile. Don't underestimate the cost of electricity. My last cycle cost me in excess of £400. That's a lot of money. Remember you pay on top of your usual bill eg cooking etc.

You need a carbon filter otherwise you will get caught, no doubt about that. Talking your big mouth off is the number 1 reason get caught. Aside from that, by far the most common way for one to get caught is to skimp on a carbon filter. People WILL smell it, even in veg and you won't get away with it. The whole street will reek in flower, seriously.

If I were you I would start learning more about growing before you take the plunge and start investing and growing and making mistakes. No offence intended and I know how exciting growing can be, tempting you into running before you can walk. I would recommend Ed Rosenthall's new book. His books are very good I have been led to believe.


How tall is your cupboard? You jut gave the floor space.

You should really get a larger fan than a 4" one.
 
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