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New study finds journalists score far lower in moral reasoning than they did 13 years ago


a caveat (emphasis mine):

“It’s an experiment with only a relatively small amount of participants, all who self identify as digital journalists — so this could be different with a wider swath of journalists,” Ferrucci explained. A major question still remaining, he added, is whether moral development is lessening throughout society. “Because if that is true, our results might just represent all of society and have nothing do, per se, with journalism.”
 
New study finds journalists score far lower in moral reasoning than they did 13 years ago

I read the article, and I laughed for two reasons. First, the sample group "all who self identify as digital journalists" as you noted, is silly, IMO. That can mean any idiot with a BLOG. Second laugh was for the a) decline compared to those 13y ago in terms of moral reasoning (matches what I see in today's world) and b ) they still contend these folks score higher than average people. Yeah, ok, what 'average people' are they testing? And if so, how are they extrapolating this test to indicate a drop in all of society and having nothing to do with journalism? I have a hard time accepting self identifying bloggers as true journalists and even harder time believing they retain a moral compass, much less one that is better than an average person. I did like the point where the article indicated:

The researchers found no evidence that journalists who were primed with their professional identity were more ethical. In other words, there was no significant difference between journalists who were reminded of their occupation before taking the test and those who were not reminded of it.

“If the prime did result in differences, it would imply that professional journalists think more ethically when primed with their professional identity, that their moral reasoning is heightened when thinking about their job as a journalist. This is not the case, and this shows that ethical application or moral reasoning, for journalists, are not, potentially, a function of occupation,” the researchers wrote.

Even the bloggers don't take 'journalists' seriously.
 
So Bandit, you wanted to have a discussion about media bias in general so what is your general perception of bias? I'm sure that where I'm from my perspective is going to be vastly different but I take an admittedly left-materialist position on topics so organizations that promote war, or continue the classic Operation Condor perspective on socialist leaders around the world are going to fall on the right side of the perspective, usually the upper right authoritarian side.

And nice to see you by the way. Been awhile.
 
Lol someone said that CNN was conservative...

One thing the establishment left and right agree on these days is that war is good and the war agenda must be pushed. That's why the Left hates Gabbard so much and she gets destroyed whenever she steps onto (what should be friendly) liberal media.

The media bias in general is obvious and evident. Hardcore censorship across almost all platforms for anyone who dares to criticize the liberal agenda.

Out of curiosity, which "Left" hates Gabbard? Liberals? Yes, certainly because Gabbard's positions are roundly anti-imperialist but admittedly a bit muddled on some of her previous support for people like Modi. Liberals are hardly "left" especially ones who positioned themselves as being globalist, imperialist, and massively concerned with the professional class largely abandoning their previous support of blue collar America (and liberals the world round have done similar moves in other countries).
 
They kinda get grouped together. So that establishment, buoyed by corporations and military-industrial complex, hate Tulsi Gabbard.

They'd rather Trump in charge than Tulsi. At least Trump somewhat lets the war machine do its thing.
 
Well, I'm not going to entirely disagree with the idea that Tulsi is threatening because of her anti-imperialist bent and her willingness to call it out pretty clearly. What I would disagree with is the notion that center-leftists (and center-rightist when it effects them personally) liberals are leftists. Rather they are, especially if we are talking about established luminaries or their media supporters merely as "captured" and as duplicitous as their Republican counterparts barring a very, very few examples.
 
Most people here won't comprehend this, but we now have a small Jewish supremacist group (ADL) that works for Israel that is gonna be in charge of regulating all of the social media monopolies in the world.
 
This is why some people think you're a troll Jgrimez. You can't accept that anyone could truly disagree with you. They have to simply be too dumb/brainwashed/ignorant to get it.
 
This is why some people think you're a troll Jgrimez. You can't accept that anyone could truly disagree with you. They have to simply be too dumb/brainwashed/ignorant to get it.

Exactly. Either attack the point that I'm making and address the content ie. have an adult, rational conversation - or relegate yourself to the groups you mentioned.

because you're so super smart and everybody else here is stupid?

you're trolling and you know it.

alasdair

It's more about societal programming and emotional manipulation than intelligence.

For eg when you read "Jewish supremacist" you probably felt this feeling of cognitive dissonance mixed with a bit of guilt or even fear. Because in the world in which you inhibit, there's either no such thing as a Jewish supremacist group, or anyone that thinks this abhorrent thought is "antisemitic".

So no, maybe you should realize that some people can hold opposing opinions without "trolling"
 
You didn't make a point. You made post comprised of a single unsourced sentence in which you insulted people you expected to disagree with you.
 
For eg when you read "Jewish supremacist" you probably felt this feeling of cognitive dissonance mixed with a bit of guilt or even fear. Because in the world in which you inhibit, there's either no such thing as a Jewish supremacist group, or anyone that thinks this abhorrent thought is "antisemitic"
you could not be more wrong.

keep assuming and keep telling everybody they're stupid...

alasdair
 
In that case you wouldn't have taken that comment so personally and we could've even discussed the subject matter at hand.

Peoples' minds have been trapped into only accepting certain information. I've seen this topic be brought up here before and I've seen the reaction from most people and most importantly the staff.

What I said wasn't incorrect.
 
Here's an interesting one. Twitter just suspended Andy Ngo. I guess the question is - is it OK to censor people telling the truth if those truths may offend a small group of people?


In response to the suspension, Ngo provided comment to The Post Millennial: “Stating a verifiable empirical claim with no value judgement attached is determined to be ‘hateful conduct’ by Twitter. The platform most used by journalists to communicate and counter ‘fake news’ also actively punishes individuals for communicating truths when they are deemed politically inconvenient.”
 
I have a question for Mr Alasdairm - do you think that there are any Jewish supremacy organisations? If so can you name any
 
Here's an interesting one. Twitter just suspended Andy Ngo. I guess the question is - is it OK to censor people telling the truth if those truths may offend a small group of people?


In response to the suspension, Ngo provided comment to The Post Millennial: “Stating a verifiable empirical claim with no value judgement attached is determined to be ‘hateful conduct’ by Twitter. The platform most used by journalists to communicate and counter ‘fake news’ also actively punishes individuals for communicating truths when they are deemed politically inconvenient.”

First of all, what is happening to Andy is a function of Capitalism. Full stop. Twitter is undeniably a business and Andy's exclusion from the platform is 100% a business decision. So yes, if I'm to take the capitalist mode of thought here then absolutely its appropriate because Andy neither owns the platform nor the memes of production. Any exclusion therefore without a generalized critique on the current materialistic reality basis of media in a capitalist economy fails outright any notion of ethical questions regarding censorship.

Secondly, I have little sympathy for any supposed journalist who spends their time galivanting around with fascists. Full stop.
 
What you just said is complete rubbish and just further proves my point. I'm also really sick of people deflecting by using that nonsense. You can hide behind muh private company but if you ever wish to have a mature, rational, realistic and adult conversation then we can both admit that it was political censorship that just got Andy Ngo suspended.

And LOL @ "fascists". We don't need your sympathy, just your honesty.
 
I have a question for Mr Alasdairm - do you think that there are any Jewish supremacy organisations? If so can you name any

That's a lose-lose question. If I were him, I wouldn't even attempt to answer. If he claims there aren't, you rail at him for his denial of what you perceive as fact, likely calling him ignorant of what's so obvious in the process. If he identifies one that may be viewed as a Jewish supremacy organization, you seize it as his acknowledgement of your conspiracy, whether he believes there is such a conspiracy or not.

What you just said is complete rubbish and just further proves my point. I'm also really sick of people deflecting by using that nonsense. You can hide behind muh private company but if you ever wish to have a mature, rational, realistic and adult conversation then we can both admit that it was political censorship that just got Andy Ngo suspended.

And LOL @ "fascists". We don't need your sympathy, just your honesty.

And again, you make the example of calling someone else's words rubbish and claiming it proves your point (it does not), in a single sentence. You see why your posts earn the responses they get? People tire of being told they are wrong by someone who only sees his own vision of what's right. That's not a discussion, there's no sharing of understanding if one party already has their view set in stone and is only interested in berating others for not agreeing.

Aside from infernal's recent engagement, the majority of people who respond to your posts are those you've repeatedly attacked. And between you and them, it is the same 'you are not listening' (from both sides) at the person and rational use of points of discussion appear abandoned.

Just my observation, but it's why I don't engage that much with you either, and prefer to respond to people who aren't shouting their views incessantly with their ears closed, but actually looking for a reply.

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My own view on Ngo is somewhat aligned with infernal's in that Twitter is a private company and can set the rules for their medium as they see fit. It's what Any non-public entity or 'forum' for expression does. Newspapers have standards (HA!) on what they will print - not every crackpot gets their opinion posted, though the more violent ones may get referral to the local law enforcement. I'll expand upon it in a moment.
 
I have a question for Mr Alasdairm - do you think that there are any Jewish supremacy organisations? If so can you name any
if i thought you were asking in good faith i'd answer. but you're not so i won't.
That's not a discussion, there's no sharing of understanding if one party already has their view set in stone and is only interested in berating others for not agreeing.
indeed.

alasdair
 
So Bandit, you wanted to have a discussion about media bias in general so what is your general perception of bias? I'm sure that where I'm from my perspective is going to be vastly different but I take an admittedly left-materialist position on topics so organizations that promote war, or continue the classic Operation Condor perspective on socialist leaders around the world are going to fall on the right side of the perspective, usually the upper right authoritarian side.

You're touching upon a 'personal' bias, something I fully accept and in fact appreciate about human beings. Nobody has the same experience through life, it shapes their views and expectations, their understanding and interpretation of others. Personal bias exists and should be welcomed to the degree that by sharing it helps us understand a fuller picture. This is not intended to say that bias that harms or hinders others (racism) should be welcomed, but should at least be understood to see how it fits into the overall cultural expectations and norms, and if it should be nurtured or nipped.

Media bias, however, is not a personal view - it is a corporate one. By extending beyond an individual to a corporate entity, there are expectations that arise with the surrounding society and culture. I say 'media' but I think more directly of 'news' when I say it. News is supposed to present to you what happened, so you can grasp it, interpret it, and decide for yourself what it means to you, to society at large. News is 'something happened'. Opinion is 'here is what I think about what happened', which I still hold to be an individual right...but now 'news' companies have shifted to voicing their opinion as what happened, saving the average person the effort of understanding the full context or forming any sort of meaning about it. This is what upsets me so about 'Media Bias'.

I could extend it further, as movies and television programs (moreso than movies, most likely) have the expectation of entertaining us as a primary goal, and educating us in some cases. However, we've seen over the years a steady infusion of not just situations (plot, storyline....events that happened) but a focus on the individuals, moreso what they thought and felt of what happened, and even going so far as to get 'preachy' to the audience on what they should think or feel on what happened. It's likely that those aspects have always been in media, and I was simply too immature to grasp the overt messaging. But now, I see it more, and it bothers me more.

And nice to see you by the way. Been awhile.

Likewise.

Twitter is undeniably a business and Andy's exclusion from the platform is 100% a business decision. So yes, if I'm to take the capitalist mode of thought here then absolutely its appropriate because Andy neither owns the platform nor the memes of production. Any exclusion therefore without a generalized critique on the current materialistic reality basis of media in a capitalist economy fails outright any notion of ethical questions regarding censorship.

There is something how social media overall is treated legally, though I can't recall the specifics. There is a balance between being a privately owned entity able to set it's own standards and rules for acceptance VS a public platform equivalent to a street corner where anyone can shout about what interests them. I'll have to go look for the article or reference, as it is frustrating me not to be able to articulate this effectively, but it comes down to something like the difference between a public internet forum (like BL) vs a ubiquitous monopoly (like FB or twitter). If we make a rule that nobody can say the word "Bandit", we are free to enforce that rule on our platform, mostly because there are a thousand other platforms where people CAN go and say the word "Bandit" with an equivalent social reach. More to the point, if we ban a person from our site, they have other ways of speaking and being heard by the audience they wish to reach.

However, when a giant like FB or twitter, if they censor a word (or more relevantly choose to censor certain views or content) they are THE global entity for such content and are effectively shaping the world's ability to hear all voices, to get information and form individual opinions on the content. They are in effect shaping the message, controlling it. Much worse, when they ban someone they are choosing who can be heard according to their own arbitrary standards. Who is to say they can't silence you next? This is the balance between being just another outlet, able to control the content of your members without impacting the world at large VS controlling what the world hears, sees, and thinks.

Given my growing up with BL and our BLUA holding out that 'we reserve the right to do whatever the fk we want', I have a huge amount of respect and support for FB and twitter being able to do the same. However, I struggle to accept them silencing someone for having a voice they don't agree with...but a lot of people do agree with. This leaves me in the conundrum of not knowing exactly where I stand on the mega-social companies having judicial independence of their content, they reach too many people to have that control, but they also shouldn't be overrun simply because they are so successful.
 
It was in reference to his comment a few posts previously when he said "you could not be more wrong". These types of vague rebuttals are characteristic of Alasdairm as he will not ever elaborate or explain his stances when it comes to controversial issues. "You're not asking in good faith", another way to avoid answering a question, by assuming my intentions. But for the record I wasn't trying to bait him, I actually wanted to know his opinion on the matter as I was surprised by his first response.

Jewish supremacy is one topic that I don't think could ever be discussed objectively on this forum. However we can talk about white supremacy all day, ad nauseum. It's ironic to me that an actual Jewish person must be the one to explain that ALL racial supremacy is bad. I could take advantage of my Jewish privilege all day but I'd rather expose truth and stick up for actual marginalised groups (one of them at the moment just happens to be white people) *triggered*

TLB - I get what you're trying to say but I disagree. I admit when I'm wrong (happens sometimes) but I just don't take crap from people and I don't let them get away with parroting lies and propaganda. Even you just insinuated that Jewish supremacy is "a conspiracy" which is a patently ridiculous thing to say. I understand the cultural conditioning and fear that we have been programmed to feel whenever we hear someone broach this subject.

And yes I called that poster out for giving the "private company" excuse for political censorship. The debate is so far beyond that by now. Yes we know tech platforms have the legal right to censor people, that's not part of the discussion anymore. The discussion is now why are these platforms not clear with their rules, why are they selectively applying their rules depending on what side politically you're arguing, why are they censoring people telling the truth and exposing lies etc.

It's frustrating for me because I can see what's going on and where this headed but most people are completely oblivious or they've been tricked into thinking that what is happening is going to benefit them politically. And it might do in the short term, but eventually once the boot comes down on their heads only then will they realize what people like myself were so frantic about.
 
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