RCs MDPV water solution—potency question

[dk1187]

hello everyone. i am a long-time MDPV user, but this is the first time that i've had to do this. i ordered 10g of MDPV, it came today & the original powder was very highly extremely cut with large crystalline chunky stuff & some weird jelly-like finer stuff. regardless, it was very weak & cut. in a last ditch attempt to save my money from going down the drain, i dumped the entire 10g in about a cup or more of water. it has over the last hour slowly been separating & concentrating more & more (which is how i know the textures of the different cuts). i have been periodically taking 10-20cc out of the solution here & there & IVing, but i noticed it getting much stronger as it sits. my last dose was 5cc & it felt equivalent to an earlier 20 or 30cc dose. since that shot, i have stopped dosing because frankly i am scared that i have created a monster. since that last dose i have poured the solution off the separating cut twice more, & another pour-off is in the works. it just keeps separating & concentrating & at this point i am not even going to redose until i find out some potency information of making this kind of water solution out of MDPV. has anyone done this, & if so, how did you get the liquid solution to a comfortable potency (where you can IV 10cc or so without something bad happening)? when all is said & done, & it has separated for the last time, how potent will this solution be, & how much water should i expect to add to dilute it to a reasonable potency? any input is appreciated, as i am not touching the stuff until i figure out what to do with it. i'm afraid by the end of the reaction, 1cc will send me to the ER. so please enlighten me on the situation i have gotten myself into if you can, as i have no experience with liquid MDPV. thank you.

 

[Hiltoniano]

No one can tell you much because we don't know how much mdpv you dissolved both in weight amount and potency amount. This thread will cause mostly speculation because you don't even have your facts straight, how could you expect us to know any better?

 

[dk1187]

you are correct. i didn't know the facts which are needed until now that the separation has completed entirely. i actually figured this out on my own to a decent extent. after the separation had finished, i had poured-off about 2 more times since the OP, at which point it became impossible to separate any further using this method. i then did a final run through a coffee filter, & no cut has separated since that final filtering about an hour ago. i estimated the original amount of water was about 1 1/2 cups. i estimated the amount of cut that was rendered out after all was said & done was approx 3g. leaving a margin for MDPV lost in solution during the several filterings, at the VERY least i would say there is 6g of MDPV in the 1 1/2 cups of water. i figured cutting that in half—3 cups of liquid—would result in a reasonable potency. here's how i figured:

1 liter (1000ml) is 4 cups. so, 3 cups would be 750ml. the estimated 6g of MDPV i have left is = 6000mg. so that's 6000mg of MDPV in 750ml of water. divide that, you get 8mg per ml of water. 1ml = 1cc as far as syringes go. so, 3 cups of water would make the potency APPROX 8mg per cc in the syringe, give or take some mgs. so between 5 & 10mg, which will be closer to 5 the longer the solution sits, being that MDPV loses potency in solution. either way, basically i could multiply by 5mg for every cc in the syringe—10 at the most. so, at 3 cups of liquid, i would know for sure that IVing 1cc would be in this range, & would be basically impossible to cause a bad reaction.

conclusion: i'm going to cut it in half & make 3 cups of liquid for a solution of between 5-10mg MDPV per cc, & i should be fine.

 

[FlippingTop]

you should dump the lot and reorder some more.

With the price of MDPV being so low per dose you really should find a new vendor and throw your cut shit!

 

[Boupstarnm]

I'd just evaporate the liquid and measure it by a scale.

 

[dk1187]

that could be a good albeit time-consuming idea Boup, but makes me wonder, is it even possible to evaporate the water & leave dry MDPV once the chemical has dissolved in water?

 

[tricomb]

^It's possible, but is it worth your time and energy? No. From an HR standpoint, just throw that shit away. I can't even go into detail right now about how dangerous it is for you to be doing 10mL shots out of a non-homogenized solution of unknown concentration, but you should NOT be doing that. Get rid of it, it's too dangerous to use with any sense of safety.

 

[dk1187]

not 10mL shots.. i figured the potency is 10mg per 1ml. so i'm doing 1mL starter shots that i estimate are between 5-10mg of MDPV. i added the extra water & cut it as described, did a 1mL allergy shot, & the potency is as i had envisioned, very nice balance. the only thing i'd worry about is reinserting used needle tips into a water solution, for obvious bacterial concerns. but, i also came up with the idea to stick the batch into the freezer for about an hour, or until the temperature drops to nearly freezing, each day before use. this should kill any bacteria that might grow in between days. and yes i am able to stop redosing to be able to do this. you're probably right that this mixture plain old sucks in every way, <no price discussion> if i can save it & still make use of it in any way i will consider it.

 

[dk1187]

just thought of this, even better, i could pour out a little bit each day for isolated use, then dump the remainder when i'm done. the plus side to this is, it'll get rid of the shit faster, lol.

 

[tricomb]

not 10mL shots.. i figured the potency is 10mg per 1ml. so i'm doing 1mL starter shots that i estimate are between 5-10mg of MDPV.

oh yeah? how do you figure?

i added the extra water & cut it as described, did a 1mL allergy shot, & the potency is as i had envisioned, very nice balance.

you don't know this.

the only thing i'd worry about is reinserting used needle tips into a water solution, for obvious bacterial concerns. but, i also came up with the idea to stick the batch into the freezer for about an hour, or until the temperature drops to nearly freezing, each day before use. this should kill any bacteria that might grow in between days. and yes i am able to stop redosing to be able to do this. you're probably right that this mixture plain old sucks in every way, <no price discussion> if i can save it & still make use of it in any way i will consider it.

Why are you reinserting used needle tips into the main container? That's disgusting. No offense man but your IV technique and HR are really off, and I think that's inducing a dangerous false sense of security in you, not to mention the delusional thinking that MDPV induces.

Your idea of freezing the solution does not keep your solution sterile. I mean, you've admitted yourself that you're contaminating it each time you dip a used needle tip in there. Why are you reusing needles in the first place, do you really want to be putting this in your arm?

With your current technique, I would be very worried about infection.

 

[tricomb]

I'm quoting this from another thread:

Thought this might be a useful thread to help counter the popular myth that bottled spring water is safer to inject than regular tap water. This issue has been thoroughly researched by harm reduction services across the world, and the following has been published by Exchange Supplies. This advice was written for the UK, however it applies to basically all countries in the developed world, who have standards in place on the treatment of drinking water.

Hierarchy of Water Risks (Safest to least safe)

1) Unopened ampoule of sterile water

The 'gold standard' for safety, an ampoule of water for injections means that the water used for dissolving the drugs isn't going to be the source of viral or bacterial infection.

2) Boiled water

Boiling water in a kettle will kill virtually all organisms, and using boiled water from a kettle is the advice to injectors who do not have an ampoule of water for injections.

Although it is true that to guarantee that even the most resistant pathogens are killed the water should be boiled for several minutes, in practice the additional benefits are few and advice to boil water in a pan is problematic because:

* the water takes time to cool, and could become contaminated during cooling;
* the pan or lid used to boil the water could be contaminated; and
* the advice is unlikely to be followed, and there is a risk that injectors will take the view that if they can't follow the advice, then they might as well not bother doing anything because they are taking a risk anyway.

3) Kitchen tap - cold water

The reason the poster differentiates the kitchen tap from other taps in the house is that the kitchen tap is usually fed from the rising main which, in the UK, is usually virtually or completely free from bacteria.

Water from bathroom taps may have been stored in a cold water tank in the roof where it can become much more contaminated with bacteria: not a problem if you're drinking it, the acid of the stomach is able to kill low levels of bacteria without a problem, but not so good if the water is being injected.

4) Bottled water

The constant advertising and marketing of bottled water has created a strong perception in the public psyche of it as a pure, safe source of water that is better than tap water.

Certainly in the UK it is open to debate whether this is true in terms of drinking water – the UK has a very good safety record for our drinking water which is pure and free from contamination. But for use as a liquid for dissolving drugs for injection, there is no debate: tap water is almost always better than bottled water because the bacteria count will be lower. The bacteria count in bottled water is much higher than in tap water, and varies according to the temperature at which it is stored, and can be very high if someone has drunk the water from the bottle.

This is not to say that the bacteria in bottled water are harmful if drunk – the acid in your stomach is perfectly well able to kill bacteria at these levels, however when injected intravenously, they can cause infections.

Distilled water

Distilled water is boiled and then condensed to ensure it is free of all minerals, and people could be excused for thinking that it might be sterile. However, the end use of distilled water is in machinery and there is no requirement for the water to be clean in terms of bacteria count. Indeed the condensing plates and bottling plants are often low tech, and dirty.

5) Hot water from a tap

The water in a domestic hot water tank is not hot enough to kill all bacteria. If the tank has been warmed and cooled, the bacteria count can grow.

6) Toilet water

It could be argued that pointing out the dangers of drawing water out of a toilet is stating the obvious, but having it there – and not at the bottom of the list – makes the point that the other sources of water below it are *really* dangerous.

There was some debate in the drafting process about whether the harm reduction advice to take water from the cistern rather than the bowl, but we didn't for two reasons:

* firstly, most public toilets have the cisterns secured and inaccessible; and
* secondly where people can access cisterns they can usually access a tap.

7) Puddle water

As with toilet water this is on the poster to highlight the serious nature of the risks associated with water that could be contaminated with blood.

The advice to catch rain water instead was suggested by homeless drug users, who described it as a harm reduction strategy they had developed.

8) Part-used ampoule

Many injecting drug users underestimate the risks of sharing the source of water that they use for preparing their drugs for injection.

Because ampoules of water for injections 'feel' medical, safe and sterile, injectors will sometimes choose to take water from a part used ampoule. Clearly this carries a very high risk of viral infection (hep C, hep B, HIV), and this is highlighted by the position of the opened ampoule below water from toilets and puddles.

9) Shared cup

Too often when there is a group of injectors together in a room, the source of water used for preparing drugs for injection, is a single cup of water.

Sometimes this same cup is used to draw water to clean injecting equipment, and to repeatedly draw water to prepare drugs for injection.

This presents a significant risk of blood borne virus transmission, and one of the key functions of the poster is to highlight this risk and danger - which many injectors are not aware of, or underestimate.

There was some debate during the peer review process as to whether the ampoule was higher risk than the cup, but as the ampoule has a limited volume it is unlikely that it could have been contaminated by more than one person, whereas the cup could have been contaminated by many – hence it's position at the bottom of the table.

You're using number 9 out of 9, the most dangerous.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/489449-Heirarchy-of-water-for-injection-safety

 

[dk1187]

i know, you're totally right. have you smelled IV water that you forget to dump after a few days? it smells like a pond. don't think i'm not thinking about all this in retrospect. what i did was a think-fast attempt at making this purchase of MDPV usable. now all of these after thoughts become apparent. i'm still not certain i'm going to keep it. actually, it's likely i'll dump it before long, mainly because of sanitation. <price discussion>

 

[tricomb]

No I haven't smelled "IV water" because I don't ever leave water that will be used by IV exposed to air or sitting around for any extended length of time, as per proper procedure, but I can only imagine how nasty bacterial growths smell.

I strongly recommend that you dump out that shit, it's a liability.

 

[sekio]

Storing sol'ns in the freezer will not kill bacteria, merely retard their growth.

You need to develop better IV technique and hygeine...
If you want to do this with any modicum of sterility you have to use micron filters, benzyl alcohol preserved water, and good technique.

 

[dk1187]

i am your token extremely casual & layman drug user, not a scientist. the one that has used toilet water, puddle water, etc in a tight spot or to shoot up in a bathroom during a bout on heroin. the one that has stashed used rigs under my dresser, shot old cottons, left shit on my desk for days before cleaning up after myself. the term "railroad spike" commonly crosses the mouths of people like me. drugs are not "pretty" for me, nor are they a science project. they have been long hard addictions & have gotten me to the bottom of the barrel. notice this is my one & only post on this website. i'm still learning this kind of seasoned precaution & extra care. if i wasn't health conscious & worried about this i wouldn't even be asking anyone for help. sekio, i have no idea where or how to obtain benzyl alcohol preserved water, but thanks for the tip. i don't think there's anything left to say here, you can kill this post anytime.

 

[tricomb]

There are a few things that should be non negotiable for IV drug abusers.

Clean water
New syringe
Proper/adequate filtration
Sterile environment every step of the way.

Pretty basic if you ask me, definitely worth looking into. Reusing needles will lead to nothing but problems. , it's really bad for your arms and it will cause you to lose your veins faster, and of course the higher risk of complications like infection.

 

[tentram]

if you want to store a solution for a few days + prep it in bacteriostatic water along with a preservative to avoid bacterial growth. store it in fridge as well.

follow everything else that has been raised above as well. it's all vital information and pertinent advice for an IV user to follow if you don't want to be losing a limb due to infection, thrombosis, etc, etc, etc, and all the other IV complications which can arise.

please look after yourself