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MDPV vs a-PVP

Bumping an old thread here, sorry. But the big bad US government put their foot down on alpha right after I got it for the first time. I'm sure it'll float around for a while, but theres a wave of replacements I'm sure on their way. So i just wanted to share my small experience with alpha as reference for anyone that stumbles upon it. Halif I think you put it best. Some of us know better, drug use is ingrained in us naturally and we can't escape it. Yet we continue to destroy ourselves.

This class of stimulants is personally my favorite, just because I love warm dopamine and I can't stand a serotonin crash. But anyone that gets their hand on any member of this class, needs to be very fucking careful. It's a love hate for me like everyone else has said, the love is amazing and the hate is brutal.

Plenty of experience with MDPV, but my first and probably last g of alpha is consumed and this is what I gathered.

First vaped hit 25 mgs with a torch and bubble was pure bliss, I laid back and closed my eyes, closed eyes i saw just red static. Duh, I'm killing myself. But I got into a haze and just fucking rocked out on the bass for the first time in a while. And I've been flying high since. A beautiful warm haze.

I've been trying my best to spread love and inspiration through this stupor, but I know this stuffs most likely the devil. I just love it though. Can't stop. So compulsive. Be careful kiddos.

If you binge on this shit for days you will take your self straight to hell. You can always recover, but please everyone be careful with these stims. They have a terrible reputation for a reason.
 
You can always recover, but
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seeing as I posted a lot in this thread before it was revived, let me finish that sentence with an alternative ending.

...but it takes way longer than I ever imagined and at this stage doesn't look like it'll be a full recovery. The worst thing that came out of my own a-PVP abuse (haven't touched it for a long time now) was a raging benzo habit that I'm still struggling with today. That and kidney damage.
 
Yeah man, I have minimal experience with alphapvp compared to mdpv. Both can be amazing, but it is so hard to maintain control. Kidney damage is definitely proof that this stuff is brutal on the system. Yeah, ditto on the benzos for me, but those are easier to maintain control with for me. Unless you mix em with too much liquor. Then incoherent rage is established.
 
Learning your missus is going away for Easter, thinking about that hardrive full of unwatched porn and peevee = instant devious smile, checking your stash and realising the perv powder bag is empty = devastating
 
HHAahaha@ 1!

sorry couldn't help laughing at that, mister.

Personally, I never got the perv powder and porn connection. I used to just vape it like a monkey in a cage hitting a button until it was done. I really didn't do anything at all interesting or pleasurable during those binges. It was the supreme time/life/money waster. Which makes it all the more stupid that I repeated the experiment so many times.

Stupid monkey
 
Halif said:
HHAahaha@ 1!

sorry couldn't help laughing at that, mister.

Personally, I never got the perv powder and porn connection. I used to just vape it like a monkey in a cage hitting a button until it was done. I really didn't do anything at all interesting or pleasurable during those binges. It was the supreme time/life/money waster. Which makes it all the more stupid that I repeated the experiment so many times.

Stupid monkey
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we all have a bit of monkey magic in us, Halif. peevee never made you horny? thats weird because basically thats all its good for and its not called perv powder for nothing. Ive NEVER EVER felt so horny in my life than when vaping peevee. I only indulge a couple of times a year and never binge for days on it due to work, a missus and a respect for my sanity. Although there has been a couple of times Ive woke my missus up at 6am and annoyed her whilst vaping peevee and smelling Amyl Nitrate looking like a crazed naked man with an erection pointing at her, better half wasnt happy but she played along for a while, mostly to shut me up and get back to sleep.......she made me pay for that for weeks afterwards but mind blowing and totally worth it.
 
I think I've destroyed my libido through opiate abuse.

Never had a raging mojo to begin with, but opiates poured ice water on what was there. Again I bring up the depression card, but that's what it is - the lack of drive, ambition, pleasure, and anything else that makes people do things.

I just abuse drugs in an attempt to feel something, and rarely enjoy the result anyway.

Thanks for the laughs, though. I hope it didn't cause too much trouble in your relationship.
 
Halif said:
I think I've destroyed my libido through opiate abuse.

Never had a raging mojo to begin with, but opiates poured ice water on what was there. Again I bring up the depression card, but that's what it is - the lack of drive, ambition, pleasure, and anything else that makes people do things.

I just abuse drugs in an attempt to feel something, and rarely enjoy the result anyway.

Thanks for the laughs, though. I hope it didn't cause too much trouble in your relationship.
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I just deleted a big rant, Halif you should come hang out with me, not for libido of course, although I bet your a good looking guy. Come hang out and rediscover the fun in drugs, because lets face it, drugs are fucking fun
 
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Mate i wasnt suggesting getting on the peevee again, maybe try some good MDMA with close friends, and have big breaks in between. I know if I hammer any drug week in week out I get depression.
 
Halif said:
Hit the nail on the head, D_M.
The one time I ended up with two grams (2,000mg), I did the lot within four days and had the full "PV" experience: massive anxiety and paranoia, delirium and auditory hallucinations, severe dehydration and impaired motor coordination brought about by a lack of sleep, lack of food, and an overload of the drug in my system.
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I only used MDPV three or four times, and I hated it with a passion. My experience of it was that it had a stronger rush than a-PVP, and then the most ridiculously drawn out, mind-twistingly bad crash. Really. A short strong rush, a few minutes of feeling amazing, and then HOURS and HOURS of feeling like I had influenza and schizophrenia.
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Too much a-PVP and you'll get some of the most shocking anxiety, which is almost unstoppable without taking a stupid amount of benzos or alcohol (not together). You won't be able to sleep. You'll keep redosing even though you've entered a state of delerium and just want it to end. Won't be able to eat or sleep.
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Coming off a bit of a MDPV binge, and approaching my last 200mg, made my first post on this forum the other day, with the simple objective "where can I get more MDPV". Since then these forums have been thoroughly educating me and keeping me entertained. I've concluded I'm never gonna mess with MDPV again, as the paranoia I was experiencing (pretty much summed up in the above quoted posts) was so intense, the vibes I was giving off were giving me dog anxiety.

Looking at small amount of APVP, as I thoroughly enjoy the pv style of stimulant, and thoroughly enjoy vaporizing stims (a top my cones). I've read good things about the lack of come down on pvp and this has me extremely curios, your reports seem to suggest other wise, if APVP is gonna have the same horrific, delirious, almost hallucinogenic comedown as mdpv, I think I might just flush it packaging and all.

I find it funny that during the ivory wave days, we'd blow weights of mdpv (anyone else ever refereed to it as andy?) in a night between 2-4 people, and be like "this fucking sucks, im not even high", at the time, the meth had such a tight grip on me, mdpv was like a cheap substitute. But recent mdpv use has rose tinted memoirs of meth come downs.
 
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alpha-PVP and me

The a-pvp came to me. I began weighing a modest dose to insufflate.

First, a-pvp smells exactly like vomit. Crumbly, dry white with a hint of beige/gray. But of vomit, there is no mistaking. And it's pungent. Not the huneysuckle flavor of coke here.

I was disappointed that my first line(s) produced no euphoria, the holy Grail for which we search through endless RCs (stimulatory euphoria). I would keep hoping as I bacame increasingly focused at 10min.

And so began an astoundingly careless "a-PVP" 'Buffet' that lasted about 28 hrs. Nonstop. Had I not had my last 14 versed (midazolam), generous amounts of ambien and even some clomethiazole to counter the weight of such a titanic load, I would have probably had to see the ER. If not, I would have had to endure the most heroic, stoic, nausea soaked, bone-crushing anxiety filled, tucked in the fetal position mind/body insult and be winner by shear attrition.

My ignorance was rewarded with the worst hell-spanking in years. Started with 10g Monday afternoon. Exactly 10g. The following afternoon it was 9.662g. And some Pentylone too!. I had just stopped weighing and was vaping little bits, insufflating, sublinguling pebbles.. constantly.. I was engaged intently on some things. This distracted me from feeling how awfully sick I had become. And I was alone- not bright either.
Finally stopped, my mind kept racing its thoughts back to a poor Welshman who, upon injecting this chemical, ran through the streets screaming, stripped naked and collapsed from a heart attack and died.
Glad I got to meditate on that happening to me any second for several hours. Scary shit..Yeah.

Be very mindful of how much and set a cutoff. More doesn't make you feel better. There is a horribly low depressive 'empty' feeling within a couple hours of stoping and a seriously shitty body load that grows with dose.

After my 330mg+ days' bing, my supply of benzos also ran out. Not good. This precipitated three solid days of I don't wanna remember. Terror-Hell.
Sweating, clammy skin, bone-crushing anxiety, profound lethargy. Just waiting for my myocardial infarcation to hit. Albeit, this may have been exacerbated by a mild benzodiazepine withdrawal.

Be deliberate, anticipate sickness to come if constant reuping. Not worth it. I got what out of it? Not even energy, more like fixations and being oblivious untill your stripping naked and running and screaming at people on the M5.

I recall MDPV with some fondness however. The plastic baggies; some like Ultra Ivory with sheer silver rectangular sides opening up a cheap zip-loc on the top of the oversized dope baggie.
A young girls feet? ..in a strange pink hue. Uhh? ..those pretty liitle feet waiting to be... washed with bath salts of course. .Recall 'Jet', with its whispy white contrails unraveling, motionless across a blackness.
A superthin cardboard sheath delicately stapled, closed the baggie and acted in securing and preventing punctures to the powdery spoils.
Remember 'Rave- On' 500mg Premium Bath Salts. On one side: Flashdance girl flashdancing her sweat soaked body. On the other side, the cutest miniaturized instructions I've ever seen. Took my Otoscope to read the wee tiny words. It read, in part, one should not mix bath salts, nor drink any alky or use script meds while soaking in the tub. Images of milk, soap, starfish and sea sponges are displayed. All harmoniously awaiting a bath salt bath.

I believe MDPV is a good deal less loading, more mind-friendly, somewhat euphoric, stimulating, sexually aggravating.
Yeah, there is an urge to reup- but ya know when it happens. Have a buddy take your stash. MOST IMPORTANTLY, have a good supply of BENZODIAZEPINE on hand with alpha-PVP. Or else have your doctors phone number handy.

Though not a doctor, I think it's very common to administer benzos, particularly Ativan, to ER visitors suffering from stimulatory toxicity. Tachycardia, cardiotoxicity, arrhythmia, profound anxiety and agitation. Myocardial infarction is rare though, but it has been documented with a guy spiking a load of a-pvp, as noted above. And expect to lose perhaps a night of sleep, hopefully not two. And a few pounds. Depends on your benzodiazepine preparednes. Otherwise you face the onset of 1st stage hallucinations, paranoia. Gets bad, avoid it. And try very very hard to keep your mind.
 
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Wow, from reading this thread, these sound like two of the shittiest stimulants ever created by man. From the sounds of things these make meth seem like child's play. I have no problem whatsoever in making a point of crystal last a week, never find the urge to keep going that strong. It can be a little moreish as it wears off, but it keeps me satisfied and I don't feel the need to constantly have more.

I really hope this shit doesn't make it into pills.
 
With the attitudes towards pills these days you could put any mind altering substance in them and ppl still munch em down. I haven't had a pill in over a year I reckon, when I do indulge on the very rare occasion it's Molly for me or nothing. When 100mg is cheaper than a pill it's a no brainer!
 
I came across some crystal A-PVP recently and I forgot just how compulsive the pyrovalerone's are. Ive tried crack, heroin and methamphetamine but none of them have the pull of peevee or A-PVP, the urge to vape more is almost overwhelming. Dopamine is one hell of a reward, makes you go aaahhhhhhh yuuuuummmm.

I never listen to music when vaping peevee as I like silence but Ive listened to this a few times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkVz4vjO1Hk
 
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mister said:
I came across some crystal A-PVP recently and I forgot just how compulsive the pyrovalerone's are. Ive tried crack, heroin and methamphetamine but none of them have the pull of peevee or A-PVP, the urge to vape more is almost overwhelming. Dopamine is one hell of a reward, makes you go aaahhhhhhh yuuuuummmm.

I never listen to music when vaping peevee as I like silence but Ive listened to this a few times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkVz4vjO1Hk
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Interesting regarding preferring no music when vaping PV. I LOVE music while spending time on MDPV, absolutely hate it on aPVP.

Honestly, in regards to differences between the two, I much prefer MDPV, and lately have found aPVP to be very lame.
-MDPV gave me an unexpected, yet perfectly balanced mood lift, with a minor creativity boost, something I LOVE in stims.
-MDPV gave me less negative side effects both physically and mentally.
-MDPV tastes better
-MDPV makes me less paranoid,
-MDPV "seems" to not destroy your teeth as much, but cannot say that for certain.
-Benzos are always nice, but I can enjoy myself on MDPV without downers longer than aPVP.
-While doing MDPV, even binging, I do not start to hate myself as much as I do on aPVP.

-aPVP is mildly "euphoric." The personal way I judge euphoria, to an extent, is body-related pleasure, and how much I want to zone out to music, and how good the music sounds. aPVP makes music uninteresting to me. Not the case with MDPV. However in regards to "euphoria", while MDPV did have a bit of euphoria in there, there is hardly any. These are both BRUTAL stimulants. Like ultra potent, dirty ghetto meth. MUCH MUCH less clear headed compared to amphetamines. (MDPV being more clear headed than PVP at least. but still more foggy minded than amps)

-Both make me just as horny, but MDPV makes the sex/masturbation experience more enjoyable. Whereas on aPVP i am like a dog just trying to finish and afterwards no reward.

Both as fiendish as the other to be honest. But the negative side effects of aPVP come to light earlier after continuous dosing.

Also keep in mind this is in regards to the respective dosages taken into account.

I have used the white powder aPVP, as well as the large crystals.
I have only used the white powder MDPV, have never tried the mysterious "tan batch" but I suspect the tan batch has something else going on. My source is one of the most reliable in the industry.

As an earlier user posted, I agree that MDPV is the "classy/sexy" one, and aPVP is the ghetto version. I would HATE to try anything else at this point, with the exception of MD-PHP, which may have potential but we will see.

On MDPV I get motivated and creative, start listening to music and zoning out, or start playing the guitar/bass, start writing music etc. On aPVP I just get anxious, and want to spend my whole day re-dosing.

Trying to sleep within 6 hours of a dose is impossible for me without bringing downers into the mix.

Just to throw out an extra opinion: I feel like mephedrone ruined A LOT of people, me being one. When I was able to buy as much as I wanted, at good prices, from good sources, with no legal worry and spend 30 days straight feeling like I was on coke+MDMA (earlier batches of 4mmc felt more like this, the later ones not so much). It was a high I had never experienced before, and was easier to get and safer than buying street pills. Some users here will say 4mmc was shit, I won't put down their opinions, as this is just my opinion, but I found 4mmc to be very euphoric, especially when combined with benzos. It ruined me, mainly because a bad coke addiction will lead to an empty bank account, but not with these prices, and potencies no sir!

Ever since the ban on 4mmc, and new replacements come in, and then those get abused and made illegal, and generation 3 of replacements is created.... and so on and so forth. We end up with MDPV, aPVP etc.

Sure, compared to the current RC stim market, MDPV is decent, and when used responsibly can help make a functional day (however I would MUCH prefer 2fma or 2fa), but compared to good MA, or older RCs I wouldn't choose MDPV even if it was free.

Our standards are slowly lowering.
 
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A-pvp and any other MDPV replacements are a very very distant second to peevee. NOTHING comes close to the over the top horny dopamine yummy rush of vaped peevee. I can vape A-PVP or MDPV and be asleep within 2 hours of my last dose and I only get it once or twice a year maximum, I never binge for days and really only use it for sexy times and Ive never felt so incredibly over the top horny as when vaping ye ole perv powder, incredibly sexual.

Mephedrone is the only other drug that comes close to the peevee horn but still a distant second, this applies to pre ban Meph. Meph is a party drug though and is great shared among mates
 
I find a-PvP to be more closer to a DNRI like cocaine and ritalin then MDPV, but closer to MDPV then cocaine or ritalin. I honestly prefer ritalin over a-PvP just based on duration.
 
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