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MDPV Megathread 4 - Egosyntonics R Us
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Shambles
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Not tried it with MDAI but opiates are a great addition - help smooth out some of the rougher edges that you tend to get early on and add to the euphoria (or just add some euphoria if you don't get it on MDPV alone). They are just all-round good travelling companions, in my opinion. Have heard good things about combining with MDAI too - check The Big & Dandy MDAI Thread for quite a bit of MDPV/MDAI combo discussion 
fastandbulbous
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Anything sexual, esp if mixed with cannabis & gbl!
I think ,ost people's problemas with it come from taking too large an initial dose. For a first time dose, 5mg is about ideal, but 10mg does not equal twice as good an 20mg def is nowhere near 4x as good (in fact it'd probably feel a lot worse due to excessive CNS stimulation. Don't believe me? Try necking 500-1000mg of good strong amphetamine sulphate with no tolerance, it's a fuckin' nightmare
PS for food to help you sleep, I once again recommend cheese & chilli toasties. A combination of tryptophan in the cheese and endorephib release by the chillis gets me to sleep pretty quickly
thanks. so generally there is no problem to combine dopamine releasers and dopamine reuptake inhibitors? they will not cancell effect of each other or cause unusual mess in brain chemistry? cheers.
Shambles
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I didn't quite say that cos I really don't know - was only the one time I've done it and I am alive. Was a single small-moderate bomb of meph but had been flat our on peevee for days. I seriously doubt it's good idea to combine them at all regularly or at high dose. Dopamine Syndrome? Maybe not (cos it doesn't exist as far as I know) but suspect your brain and body would much rather you didn't overindulge in the two together - just has "dodgy combo" written all over it, in my uneducated opinion.
Now I've learnt how to handle it, I'm rather enjoying the MDPV. It does make me act rather strangely & recklessly at times. I was lucky not to be arrested looking through my pockeyts for a bag of it with the cops about 20 feet away on Saturday.
I think I will lay off for a few days now.
(I apogise the moderators for my previous post in this thread. Someone take the internet off me when I'm smashed.)
I think I will lay off for a few days now.
(I apogise the moderators for my previous post in this thread. Someone take the internet off me when I'm smashed.)
clara
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Yep, PV is a learned high. When I first tried it I did not like it, but after laying off it and trying it at a much smaller dose the next time around I understood the allure of it. And IME its really nice after a day or two binge (and in no way am I advocating a binge). Sometimes you have to watch your behavior it may seem like a good idea while the PV is in your head, but hindsight is always 20|20.
clara
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Sorry almost a double post, forgot in the above post to mention F&B's advice on cheese is so right on, I actually crave three things after the PV (well four, including sleep) cheese, nuts, and fish. Pecan encrusted trout with white sauce anyone?
It's weird. There's some anxiety when it kicks in, then there's a nice bit, then loads of anxiety when it's wearing off. There's already a thread in ADD about why this happens (obviously it only happens to some people). Alcohol takes the edge off very well, whilst adding a bit of euphoria. Quite a nice combo. Obviously, G is a better mixer, for many reasons.
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hairyharry
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Meph + PV = Evil Combo.
perfect haze
Bluelighter
I quite like it 
Found meph to nullify Peev's effectiveness somewhat unless ye vaped it though.
Found meph to nullify Peev's effectiveness somewhat unless ye vaped it though.
General alcazar
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Has anyone considered the chirality of batches of MDPV as responsible for the difference in the early batches and that which is circulating now. Perhaps different routes of synthesis produced a different ratio of each (R) and (S). Having sampled both thoroughly, I think one enantiomer my be better than the other. This occurred to me after smoking a large amount (something I will not repeat) and upon finishing, noticing more of the properties of the old batch.
Any thoughts ? (forgive me if I reposted but I couldn't find anything on this with a search)
Any thoughts ? (forgive me if I reposted but I couldn't find anything on this with a search)
Experianced with meph for 12 months. Both the 800mg 12 hr binges, and light more modest 300's. The mixing with booze, M1. Dimetho. The bombing the railing.
10 years ago, a few beans, some woodrose, mushies, lines, several tabs etc
8 weeks ago tried pv. 1mg, followed by 5mg over 2 hours. Week later, did 3mg bumps and totalled 15mg in 5 hours. Week later 25mg in 3mg bumps. So far so good, notice the tolerance building quite quickly.
PV + Meph is actually a nice combo, for about 8 hours (35pv + 300meph in small bumps of around 3mg pv and 30meph from 9pm to 5am ). Then the inevitable meph comedown occurs. Not usually a big problem....except now there is large CNS stimulation that is showing NO sign of slowing, turning the normally mild(ish) comedown into a crash. Spend next 8 hours REALLY concentrating on trying to keep calm, the slightest and I do mean slightest milisecond of fear/doubt/anxiety allowed to be accepted as truth and heart feels like it will explode. Cannot watch TV, read, walk, talk or do anything that asks the CNS to compute anything such as sound, colour etc is WAY too much. Just stare at blank space on wall and focus on trying to be a bit calm.
The slightest noise or glance over at anything more noxious than a house plant overwhelms the senses and sends the heart and body racing even further. Again, controlled in a millisecond to defcon2 (very fast and loaded) because a realisation that this is the worst position ever been in and as close to making an exit from life as 15 years of drinking, naughtiness and motorbike crashes has provided.
Need water (have been on 0.5lt an hour min as normal), HAVE to bump meph to just be able to get to the kitchen and hear the sound of running water without completely freaking out.
In the end I HAD to keep doing little bumps of meph to be able to get periods of relative calm and walk to get water. And when I mean relative calm, its still worse than anything I've ever experienced (ie still defcon 2 and not 1). When the meph wore off, quicker and quicker, this of course left even MORE stimulation but with added terror. I totalled another 100mg over the 7 hour freakout.
I cannot put into words the abject horror this nightmare was. How much focused brain power was required just to tell my body to be cool and calm (ie remain at 180bpm, not 220) and not explode with heart failure. The mind was calm(ish), I mean I could think, albeit at 900mph. But the body was really under MASSIVE load. The likes of which I've not seen and never thought possible for the body to withstand.
I dared not risk taking any downers. The only things I had were kratom and booze. Kratom is great stuff, I really like it. But its a fine line between a sedative and mild stimulant. There was no way I could risk another stim, and I recognised there was no way to prepare it either. I was in no state.
At around 6pm I was finally not having to spend ALL my energy and brain focus on not controlling my body load. Went to sleep at 10pm (25 hour after 1st dose). Slept badly with massive pain through large amounts of stomach acid and trapped air. Trying to differentiate between chest pains and heartburn.
Could not eat / speak for next 2 days. Picking at rice and trying to swallow milk based protein (which IS always a briliant way to bounce back).
Took 1 week before I stopped jumping at every noise outside, took 2 weeks before being able to walk 1/8mile and not be completely out of breath. I mean totally knackered / exhausted.
Kept thinking about a task and then doing something totally different. ie Pick up a cup to put in the cupboard and instead opening the cutlery drawer.
I'd clearly fried some brain cells and it was busy having to rewire.
Going from being a member of a gym, lifting weights, treadmill, cycling etc to not being able to walk and breath properly for 2 weeks. I started to wonder if this was permanent, if this time the luck had run out and indeed that fine line had been crossed. Bearing in mind that I know the power of a negative/positive attitude and anxiety and to recognise these things are not permanent....usually...
But even with that, its been a major struggle and scare.
Took 4 weeks to stop automatically thinking about things in a negative way. In the past the occasional blues had been recognised as such and laughed off on the road to recovery. But this was completely different, unlike anything thats happened in the past.
You read about some peoples descriptions of bad experiences, but without a yard stick, the words have little meaning. I know people will read this and have no clue as to how bad it was. Even I can't really begin to remember to describe. When I come close to putting my mind back enough to think to describe, I feel very agitated, physically sick almost.
I wanted to post about it. But its taken 5 weeks to be able to think about it without feeling really sick.
I think this is very similar, if not in fact, the same reaction to extreme shock. Such as those described by people who have had some sort of trauma.
I thought I was experienced enough to know limits. I ate well, slept well, planned ahead with my usual routine of making sure everything is where it should be and that some cover is available in case.
But I never expected to get it soooooo badly wrong. I totally messed up and am EXTREMELY grateful that the years of eating well and training right may have saved me from exiting the party early. I was also EXTREMELY lucky, I know that.
Needless to say I've gone totally back to basics. Eating balanced food, walking often, training lightly and focusing on positive action. But I also recognise that I will never be the same. It's clear my body has taken a hit and its clear that my brain is running a good 20% down on its previous performance.
You play with fire. You act stupid, you run the risk. But seriously, I'm usually very careful and have never got it so wrong before. Also, while the pv was higher, the relative amounts of meph was still well under 500mg. These are not enormous numbers, particulary when you hear about kids doing 3grams in 2 days etc
I'm not sure if this post is of use. Sometimes something like this can cause anxiety where it needn't be. But all I can say is that my worst experience on anything measured 30mph until that day where it now sits at 500mph.
Needless to say, I'm going straight for a long while. I've not had any booze, tea, coffee, anything in 5 weeks. And to be honest, its REALLY crap
Seriously, I'd much rather be able to enjoy a little in moderation right now as I had been, and really wish that day had never happened.
But just grateful I got another chance.
Well, that was a long post just to say that possibly meph+pv is not a good mix.
So, same again this weekend
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Also, another minor observation. Meph makes it impossible to ejaculate, this makes sex a lot of fun, but also sometimes irritating after 8 hours and 3 loo breaks. PV has the opposite effect. The second time ever, and I lasted a ridiculous 3 minutes once we'd decided to crack on. It was like being 13 again....but with less self control.
This has nothing to do with the above story, just to say that previous encounters had been a lot of fun to say the least.
10 years ago, a few beans, some woodrose, mushies, lines, several tabs etc
8 weeks ago tried pv. 1mg, followed by 5mg over 2 hours. Week later, did 3mg bumps and totalled 15mg in 5 hours. Week later 25mg in 3mg bumps. So far so good, notice the tolerance building quite quickly.
PV + Meph is actually a nice combo, for about 8 hours (35pv + 300meph in small bumps of around 3mg pv and 30meph from 9pm to 5am ). Then the inevitable meph comedown occurs. Not usually a big problem....except now there is large CNS stimulation that is showing NO sign of slowing, turning the normally mild(ish) comedown into a crash. Spend next 8 hours REALLY concentrating on trying to keep calm, the slightest and I do mean slightest milisecond of fear/doubt/anxiety allowed to be accepted as truth and heart feels like it will explode. Cannot watch TV, read, walk, talk or do anything that asks the CNS to compute anything such as sound, colour etc is WAY too much. Just stare at blank space on wall and focus on trying to be a bit calm.
The slightest noise or glance over at anything more noxious than a house plant overwhelms the senses and sends the heart and body racing even further. Again, controlled in a millisecond to defcon2 (very fast and loaded) because a realisation that this is the worst position ever been in and as close to making an exit from life as 15 years of drinking, naughtiness and motorbike crashes has provided.
Need water (have been on 0.5lt an hour min as normal), HAVE to bump meph to just be able to get to the kitchen and hear the sound of running water without completely freaking out.
In the end I HAD to keep doing little bumps of meph to be able to get periods of relative calm and walk to get water. And when I mean relative calm, its still worse than anything I've ever experienced (ie still defcon 2 and not 1). When the meph wore off, quicker and quicker, this of course left even MORE stimulation but with added terror. I totalled another 100mg over the 7 hour freakout.
I cannot put into words the abject horror this nightmare was. How much focused brain power was required just to tell my body to be cool and calm (ie remain at 180bpm, not 220) and not explode with heart failure. The mind was calm(ish), I mean I could think, albeit at 900mph. But the body was really under MASSIVE load. The likes of which I've not seen and never thought possible for the body to withstand.
I dared not risk taking any downers. The only things I had were kratom and booze. Kratom is great stuff, I really like it. But its a fine line between a sedative and mild stimulant. There was no way I could risk another stim, and I recognised there was no way to prepare it either. I was in no state.
At around 6pm I was finally not having to spend ALL my energy and brain focus on not controlling my body load. Went to sleep at 10pm (25 hour after 1st dose). Slept badly with massive pain through large amounts of stomach acid and trapped air. Trying to differentiate between chest pains and heartburn.
Could not eat / speak for next 2 days. Picking at rice and trying to swallow milk based protein (which IS always a briliant way to bounce back).
Took 1 week before I stopped jumping at every noise outside, took 2 weeks before being able to walk 1/8mile and not be completely out of breath. I mean totally knackered / exhausted.
Kept thinking about a task and then doing something totally different. ie Pick up a cup to put in the cupboard and instead opening the cutlery drawer.
I'd clearly fried some brain cells and it was busy having to rewire.
Going from being a member of a gym, lifting weights, treadmill, cycling etc to not being able to walk and breath properly for 2 weeks. I started to wonder if this was permanent, if this time the luck had run out and indeed that fine line had been crossed. Bearing in mind that I know the power of a negative/positive attitude and anxiety and to recognise these things are not permanent....usually...
But even with that, its been a major struggle and scare.
Took 4 weeks to stop automatically thinking about things in a negative way. In the past the occasional blues had been recognised as such and laughed off on the road to recovery. But this was completely different, unlike anything thats happened in the past.
You read about some peoples descriptions of bad experiences, but without a yard stick, the words have little meaning. I know people will read this and have no clue as to how bad it was. Even I can't really begin to remember to describe. When I come close to putting my mind back enough to think to describe, I feel very agitated, physically sick almost.
I wanted to post about it. But its taken 5 weeks to be able to think about it without feeling really sick.
I think this is very similar, if not in fact, the same reaction to extreme shock. Such as those described by people who have had some sort of trauma.
I thought I was experienced enough to know limits. I ate well, slept well, planned ahead with my usual routine of making sure everything is where it should be and that some cover is available in case.
But I never expected to get it soooooo badly wrong. I totally messed up and am EXTREMELY grateful that the years of eating well and training right may have saved me from exiting the party early. I was also EXTREMELY lucky, I know that.
Needless to say I've gone totally back to basics. Eating balanced food, walking often, training lightly and focusing on positive action. But I also recognise that I will never be the same. It's clear my body has taken a hit and its clear that my brain is running a good 20% down on its previous performance.
You play with fire. You act stupid, you run the risk. But seriously, I'm usually very careful and have never got it so wrong before. Also, while the pv was higher, the relative amounts of meph was still well under 500mg. These are not enormous numbers, particulary when you hear about kids doing 3grams in 2 days etc
I'm not sure if this post is of use. Sometimes something like this can cause anxiety where it needn't be. But all I can say is that my worst experience on anything measured 30mph until that day where it now sits at 500mph.
Needless to say, I'm going straight for a long while. I've not had any booze, tea, coffee, anything in 5 weeks. And to be honest, its REALLY crap
Seriously, I'd much rather be able to enjoy a little in moderation right now as I had been, and really wish that day had never happened.
But just grateful I got another chance.
Well, that was a long post just to say that possibly meph+pv is not a good mix.
So, same again this weekend
EDIT:
Also, another minor observation. Meph makes it impossible to ejaculate, this makes sex a lot of fun, but also sometimes irritating after 8 hours and 3 loo breaks. PV has the opposite effect. The second time ever, and I lasted a ridiculous 3 minutes once we'd decided to crack on. It was like being 13 again....but with less self control.
This has nothing to do with the above story, just to say that previous encounters had been a lot of fun to say the least.
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Shambles
Bluelight Crew
You're not by any chance on peevee at the moment are you, Noodle?
Clean_Cut
Bluelighter
Had a long browse through the thread and can't find too much on the actual damage this drug causes.
How harmful is it? Im assuming it only damages the dopamine system and leaves the serotonin system alone?
I find it to be highly euphoric during the peak but experience god-awful nausea on the comedown. BTW ive mixed with alcohol both times - although usually only drinking before ive taken the peeeeeveee!
How harmful is it? Im assuming it only damages the dopamine system and leaves the serotonin system alone?
I find it to be highly euphoric during the peak but experience god-awful nausea on the comedown. BTW ive mixed with alcohol both times - although usually only drinking before ive taken the peeeeeveee!
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
You probably can't find much about the damage it causes cos it's probably the least damaging stim there is. It's ridiculously benign for such a potent wee beastie. There's probably something that it does that's pretty bad for you but I've yet to hear of it, myself. Don't take the piss with it (cos too much of anything can't be good) and it should do you no wrong.
fastandbulbous
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Nah, the synthesis route is generally via the bromoketone which itself is made from a compound without an asymmetric carbon atom so is produced equally in R & S forms. The reaction to peevee from there is one which preserves chirality so you end up with equal amounts of S & R MDPV isomers. Sorry but consideringthey know the market it's heading for they're going to go for the cheapest, most easily completed synthesis and that's the one I'm referring to above. You could synthesise individual isomers, but it involves starting with chiral reagents and would be a lot more expensive (I've only ever recieved two drugs illicitly manufactured that weren't racaemic, S-ketamine & R-DOM). The methods they use in Chinese labs are most probably identical to those used by any competent illicit organic chemist ie minimum cost, maximum return being their mantra.
More likely to be to do with how much they clean up the products from the main synthesis (getting it more pure involves losing more in the cleaning process, which is against their mantra, so just where they draw the acceptable line on purity will vary from batch to batch; again like illicit drug manufacture), which does make vapourizing it not the safest route of ingestion, as well as being the route that leads to more fiending than even IV
Sentience
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MDPV is the one that has aphrodisiac properties?
This one really does sound interesting to me, but the thing that keeps me away from it is the reports of anxiety with a lack of euphoria, the elevated body temperature (which would happen to set off some of my symptoms), and also the fact that it is so potent.....Anything that potent is a hazard....You are likely to spill some and it could be a hazrd. Some crumbs get in your morning coffee and your trip to the store could get really interesting or scary....it also becomes a serious danger if you have children around. That is one bad thing with potent by weight drugs.
If somebody very carefully weighed out doses into pills mixed with MDAI, that might be interesting. I would consider taking one if they were not dosed too powerful.
This one really does sound interesting to me, but the thing that keeps me away from it is the reports of anxiety with a lack of euphoria, the elevated body temperature (which would happen to set off some of my symptoms), and also the fact that it is so potent.....Anything that potent is a hazard....You are likely to spill some and it could be a hazrd. Some crumbs get in your morning coffee and your trip to the store could get really interesting or scary....it also becomes a serious danger if you have children around. That is one bad thing with potent by weight drugs.
If somebody very carefully weighed out doses into pills mixed with MDAI, that might be interesting. I would consider taking one if they were not dosed too powerful.
General alcazar
Bluelighter
MDPV is potent but not that dangerous if overdosed. Really it is a pretty safe drug. Not having panic attacks and anxiety merely requires gradual dosing to effect. Morons that take large amounts for the first time thinking it is 4mmc or something are the ones who have the bad effects, and so far all have survived it. It is nice in that, alone, it does not seem to raise heartrate much at all, at least for me. However, it does lack euphoria and is compulsive as hell. My DMT turned MDPV pipe has been destroyed to prevent such indulgences in the future. Note however that the MDPV was not...
Thanks for the reply on chirality. I was hoping this might explain the difference but I figured no one would go to the deliberate effort to select an isomer, rather that different starting products would yield different ratios. So the mystery remains as to what differs with the old batches and the new ones.
Thanks for the reply on chirality. I was hoping this might explain the difference but I figured no one would go to the deliberate effort to select an isomer, rather that different starting products would yield different ratios. So the mystery remains as to what differs with the old batches and the new ones.
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